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Poll Question: Which of these do you feel may be a bit overrated?
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None of these are overrated.
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

How can a masterpiece be overrated? That's an oxymoron.


my exact thought when I read the thread title. Big smileLOL
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Beer none

In most cases not my favorite album from the artist - but in any case brilliant albums.
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

How can a masterpiece be overrated? That's an oxymoron. They are all 5 star classics. Sure we can get sick of certain albums due to overexposure but that doesn't mean it's overrated nor anything less than a masterpiece.
 
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How can a masterpiece be overrated? That's an oxymoron. They are all 5 star classics. Sure we can get sick of certain albums due to overexposure but that doesn't mean it's overrated nor anything less than a masterpiece.

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Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

I already commented but commenting again and my opinion still stands. In the Court of the Crimson King is the most overrated prog album of all time in my opinion. Fight me
 
Won't fight you because I agree. The two tracks I like on the album are "21st Century Schizoid Man" and the title track. The other three songs are so mellow, repetitive, and overly long that I lose interest fast. I would rate it three stars at most.


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none of these are over rated ..... they are all fine examples of what Prog can and should be all about
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While it's undoubtedly a great album, Court is the easy choice for me as it's not as consistent as the others and not even my favorite Crimson.
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None are really overrated IMO, and I don't really like that term.

My least personal fave is Thick as a Brick, I guess.

DSOTM is an obvious masterpiece. Nothing like that had ever been recorded. The same goes for ITCOTCK.

The track CTTE is a masterpiece in its own right, although there are better Yes albums overall.

I can see why SEBTP is so highly rated, but personally I think Foxtrot, The Lamb and Trick all better qualify as masterpieces. I'll be lynched for that, no doubt
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I can't vote for any of those "overrated" album choices  because I love all five albums. Thumbs Up

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I already commented but commenting again and my opinion still stands. In the Court of the Crimson King is the most overrated prog album of all time in my opinion. Fight me
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If anything, Benefit is underrated. I love that damn album!
I don't think any of these are overrated... they're classics for a reason. My least favorite of the lot is the Genesis one. I only like two songs from it, but yeah, they're both really killer songs.
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Yes.....he discarded the 'blues influences'...which is why he did 2 'prog albums' with side long tracks and then returned to  'blues influenced rock'  for the next 40 years...eventually rewriting the same songs from those blues rock albums but not as well.


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Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

I am repeating myself, but Thick really doesn´t drag me at all, not although I heard it first time already in the eighties, still always when I listened it, it´s full pleasure to me from the beginning to end. Ian´s egotrip or not, it´s anyway masterpiece and the best Tull-album, there is nothing bland as there is in that Yes-albums first side of the same year. To me it seems somebodies who says opinions about it have listened it last time 1972, it really doesn´t repeat it themes, there are just lots great, sad melodic themes that many progbands (specially the most of new bands) should learn about.

I think I am not going to waste my time in this place a lot anymore that seems to become sh*tethrowing club of masterpieces.


Ian's ego trip, hard to think of a poorer argument. He was the better songwriter, had a vision of what the band should be, took total creative control and put the blues influences aside..nothing new under the sun. But it looks like some folks has not digested it yet...after 48 years!!
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Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by Upbeat Tango Monday Upbeat Tango Monday wrote:

Originally posted by flyingveepixie flyingveepixie wrote:

I don't think any of the albums mentioned here are particularly overrated, in fact CTTE and Selling England are two of my all time favourites.  It's all just a matter of opinion...

Personally I can't stand any of Steven Wilsons music and I think he's a great big fraud but everyone else seems to think he's some kind of god and he's not mentioned here anyway so I can't vote for him, and probably no one would agree with me anyway......all just opinion innit....



Nah, you are not alone. I think Wilson is a hack as well. Every single one of his albums is calculated and robotic, he lacks passion, musicianship and the ability to create something organic. Anyway, I'm glad he's not in the poll since I wouldn't put him near these great artists.

I am also not into Wilson or Porcupine Tree at all (also not into most prog after seventies). But I can understand why some people´s love them.



When I listen to music I use simple criteria. Those include, do I like the song? Does it appeal to me? Do I "connect" with it in some way? If any or all of those are true, then I like the song. It doesn't matter if it's prog, pop, jazz, classical, etc, etc. What it comes down to is, if I like it, I like it. I try not to get bogged down by who is or is not a hack or derivative or lacking in passion. If I like the song, I like it. Simple as that. I think that some prog fans (although this is not exclusive to prog fans) are over serious snobs with a large stick up their asses, who use justifications based on said snobbery to look down their noses at certain artists, or certain types of music. I know. I used to be one of those. In some ways, I still am. Even now I can't abide rap/hip hip and country, although there are a handful of songs from both of those genres that I do enjoy, but only a handful.  I also can't imagine limiting myself to only 70s prog. There is a ton of wonderful stuff out there just waiting to be discovered. Expand your horizons. You might be surprised.


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Overrated? I don't know. now, over exposed and/or over played? That's a whole different discussion. 
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Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

I am repeating myself, but Thick really doesn´t drag me at all, not although I heard it first time already in the eighties, still always when I listened it, it´s full pleasure to me from the beginning to end. Ian´s egotrip or not, it´s anyway masterpiece and the best Tull-album, there is nothing bland as there is in that Yes-albums first side of the same year. To me it seems somebodies who says opinions about it have listened it last time 1972, it really doesn´t repeat it themes, there are just lots great, sad melodic themes that many progbands (specially the most of new bands) should learn about.

I think I am not going to waste my time in this place a lot anymore that seems to become sh*tethrowing club of masterpieces.


I wouldn't get that upset Mortte; I too post very little to the forum these days because of the sh*tethrowing... TAAB doesn't drag to these ears....I'm still finding bits in it that still raise the hair on the back of my neck some 46 years after first hearing it. And side 2 is just as good as side 1; IMHO. .....Do you believe in the day?!                I do
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I am repeating myself, but Thick really doesn´t drag me at all, not although I heard it first time already in the eighties, still always when I listened it, it´s full pleasure to me from the beginning to end. Ian´s egotrip or not, it´s anyway masterpiece and the best Tull-album, there is nothing bland as there is in that Yes-albums first side of the same year. To me it seems somebodies who says opinions about it have listened it last time 1972, it really doesn´t repeat it themes, there are just lots great, sad melodic themes that many progbands (specially the most of new bands) should learn about.

I think I am not going to waste my time in this place a lot anymore that seems to become sh*tethrowing club of masterpieces.
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Originally posted by Argo2112 Argo2112 wrote:

^ Agreed. Thick as a Brick has some nice moments but it does drag out way too much. I find it really hard to sit through the whole album. 


I do enjoy the album, but indeed it drags on in some places. That's why I love so much better the live version of the song on Live Bursting Out... much more consistent, and it's got just about the best of the song.
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Albums like Stand Up, Benefit, and Aqualung are far better musical and lyrical statements imho.

amen brother.. that was when Tull was a band.. not a Ian Anderson solo/ego trip.... I was surprised.. then again not surprised to read Steve Howe turned down the Tull gig when told he was merely to play.. no songs.. ie very limited creative input
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