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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sean Trane Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2018 at 01:56
Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Sterilized production.


indeed...

And 80's aesthetics and production values (gated drums, cheap synths, etc...) and 00's remaster conditions (loudness wars). I like my rock (and prog and jazz) to be somewhat dirty (as opposed to pristine production)

Whiny neo-prog/Hogarth styled vocals are also a big turn-off
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cstack3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 28 2018 at 20:55
Originally posted by TerLJack TerLJack wrote:

Cookie Monster Vocals.  Can't stand 'em.  The rest of the work has to be stellar for me to overlook them.

Aye.  Same here. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jayem Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 28 2018 at 12:40
I've lately commented a very similar situation ( there...)

So what happened ?... During 32 seconds there's some spicy harmony coming from church bell rich sound, not quite in tune (but that's makes it exciting) and the rythm section... I was in soundscape, contemplation-please-do-not-disturb mode, expecting some more drama and tension. Then all of a sudden there's a guy singing, the rythm section is the same but everything becomes "correct" and less mysterious. I guess the 32 first seconds are called awkward, just enough for the sung part to be felt as a deliverance "Ah they nail it, they're in control".

So it's really a matter of how we connect to each other...


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Larkstongue41 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 28 2018 at 08:01
^ And quite frankly, practicing an art has nothing to do with understanding/appreciating art. It might give you a better understanding of the technical aspects of the said art form and enhance your appreciation and understanding as a result but nothing more.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 28 2018 at 07:48
Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

Pedro likes coming on and making comments about what it means to be an artist. 

Except he doesn't play.

He writes, he directs, and films. He doesn't require a musician to tell him what is artistic or not. 

The rest is not worth discussing!


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mortte Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 28 2018 at 05:43
Some electro elements in new music are the kind of I donīt want to listen it again. Mostly itīs some kind of beat that really starts to irritate me, specially those "scratching" beats that seem to be quite common in new music.

Vocals are important to me, so my interest can go away when there is mediocre or too clean vocals, that is also quite common in new music.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote M27Barney Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 28 2018 at 05:24
I am not so fussy over singing style or singing voice, though certain lyrical contents can irk me - If the music is strong enough you can ignore the voice and let it blend into the track. Phil Collins with Genesis is an example of this - though "More Fool Me" is fecking awful....
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Definitely the vocals are a huge deciding factor for me. I'd describe it as disliking clones though--I dislike people trying, or even managing, to sound like other people. Not a big fan of Tesseract, the newest vocalist of Intronaut, early Marillion and others for this reason. Hell, I'd be happy with poorly done vocals so long as the singer sounds unique.
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^ Thank you Davesax1965 and Logan for pointing out to me what's going on behind the rhetoric!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2018 at 11:05
Someone may have have their own agenda irregardless of your point/ intent and seem to lack reading comprehension. It can be very frustrating.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Davesax1965 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2018 at 10:43
Pedro likes coming on and making comments about what it means to be an artist. 

Except he doesn't play.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote wiz_d_kidd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2018 at 10:31
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:


NOT being a practitioner of the art, does NOT make you qualified to judge it. (Rest of the rant deleted)


Wow, re-read my post, dude!  I said "like" or "dislike".  That is everyone's prerogative.  I made no judgement about anything.  You definitely missed the point of my post.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2018 at 10:01
Originally posted by wiz_d_kidd wiz_d_kidd wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

But really, since you and I are not doing it, why are we being critical about someone else doing it? Would you enjoy that comment?


Being a practitioner of an art is not a requirement for liking or disliking someone else's output.

For an artist, IT IS!

You will never be anyone that matters, other than collecting a few dollars here and there, if all you do is pay attention to everyone else's output. First of all, none of it agrees with anything. Second of all, these comments would be so far apart and weird that you could not possibly understand them. Third of all, you will be OK today, and tomorrow you will be sh*t because they now like someone else.

NOT being a practitioner of the art, does NOT make you qualified to judge it. You can choose not to buy it, but just sitting up and stating that it is bad, and then saying that someone else is better, because you like it, is not quite a very good objective concept or idea about the music that you are discussing.

And the majority of the history of the arts, is about people that went against the grain, because they were told they could not do it, and weren't good enough ... you really ought to read some of the early stuff about the Beatles, Rolling Stones, Kinks and the shakers and movers that helped bring all of the music that we listen to today. From "you call that music?" to "they will never amount to anything", to "just another kitchen band", to "how can anyone enjoy that loud crap?", even going so far as to having Elvis legs never show on a TV spot whatsoever, because it was suggestive and this and that and this and that at the time.

The internet, has destroyed the "ruination of new music", and my hope is that the artists that do it, get stronger and stronger and better for it, regardless of what you and I like, or think! Or any board out there says. You can not be FAUST and goof around with toys and special effects that is so appreciated 20/30 years later, because at the time the ears were not tuned to it, and its potential. The late 60's were full of artists experimenting with voice in theater and film, to the point that rock music finally took it on ... but no one wants to even take a look at the experimental theater at the time to realize this. 

It didn't ruin anything new ... much of it disappeared ... few today have any idea of what THE LIVING THEATER was really all about, and how it affected so much music and arts out there ... but its soul and source did not disappear ... it is alive and well in so much music yesterday and today, and in other arts. It was experimentation in theater in the 50's that gave us the American greats and the British greats, and the same thing happened in music ... it did not get ruined. The black music may have died a bit, but by the middle and late 60's it has exploded and when you saw Michael Jackson 10 years later, you saw a 50/50 mix in the audience, STILL the only such mix these days!

Either that, or we are back to ... what was it ... schlagger ... or something like it? I hope that never happens to our beloved "progressive music" because it is not something that "we" like, or "dislike". Or worse, that the government thinks it does not represent the will ... errrrr .... are you ready? ... of the people!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TerLJack Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2018 at 06:11
Cookie Monster Vocals.  Can't stand 'em.  The rest of the work has to be stellar for me to overlook them.
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I'm just not moved, and it's not just music of "today" but since my birth (1982), horrible production, bad vocals, etc etc... The thing is, I've always tried to find something "new" just so I could look forward to a new album, or a concert.

Even when I find a song on here that I like, when I finally look into it, it's always from the 60s and 70s, and when I heard stuff I don't like, they seem to have been made in the last 30 years.

Just the way it is.. Fortunately, because of YouTube, I can stay away from that junk... I almost feel as strongly about music and comedy.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SteveG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2018 at 13:45
I grow up listening to American folk so duff vocals don't bother me. What does? A song that just doesn't move me.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Frenetic Zetetic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2018 at 13:42
Sterilized production.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Manuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2018 at 12:24
Bad vocals, or mediocre, will indeed ruin a piece of music for me, so are the metal riffs and monotone guitar solos.

Edited by Manuel - March 22 2018 at 12:24
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2018 at 10:16
Criticism can be useful for the critiqued if they are open to it, but this is about personal experience when it comes to music. I have experienced that "ruination" when I was expecting good things, it stated off to my liking, then it turned into something not to my tastes. Has been no big deal I just moved on as it's hardly ever happened with music that I've purchased -- more with youtube, myspace, soundcloud, bandcamp etc. After a promising and intriguing beginning, often the song has shifted and settled into AORish territory with this slower, more drawn-out part that I found off-putting -- commonly in the vocals and also commonly with a type of smooth, melodic electric guitar style. I think a lot of melodic proggy rock bands might start out with something that sounds more classically and frenetically Prog, then move into this ballady, commercial sounding section. In some of those cases, I'd rather they drop the proggy flourishes and pretensions and just do melodic rock. I sometimes feel with such music that it's trying to be Prog whereas it's heart is in melodic "AOR" rock. Usually with those kinds of bands, I don't like how they start either, but it has happened that I was fooled by what I thought an interesting instrumental intro before it morphed into a style that I don't like. I do value eclecticism in music, so often a part that I don't automatically like and takes me out of the music I will accept and move through, but I often accept it more easily when I get the sense that they will be experimental.

Also, I've heard some quite amateur bands that seemed to me to start off really well, but then the vocalist I found so pitchy and cringe-worthy that I would just feel embarrassed for him or her (mostly hims), especially when seen live at some bar or outdoors event. ^ And also, growls coming in have ruined some music for me too.

Edited by Logan - March 22 2018 at 10:20
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote progaardvark Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2018 at 10:15
As I've grown older, things like this don't bother me as much as they used to. If there is something good in the song, I can overlook a sub-par vocal performance or sub-par lyrics (which I'm certain I'm guilty of in my own music). I will admit that I'm still having a hard time with growling vocals, though I did like how they were done in Ayreon's song Cosmic Fusion off of the Into the Electric Castle album.
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