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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2017 at 17:03
Have always enjoyed GG. I have played the Steven Wilson mix 'Three Piece Suite' many, many times since release and it will be in my top 10 for 2017.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2017 at 15:24
If I have to retire one day on a desert island with only one band discography, it would be GG. I cannot get bored listening them again and again.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2017 at 08:56
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Just out of curiosity.....anyone know what they are doing these days...other than being retired.....assuming thy are still alive and well...?

Derek became CEO of Roadrunner Records and I think he signed Slipknot. Ray did some scores for movies/shows/games I think?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2017 at 08:24
Originally posted by BarryGlibb BarryGlibb wrote:

Of all the polarizing prog bands (e.g. VdGG, KC, GG, etc) GG were the only ones who in my opinion, consistently rocked...you can't really find anything that rocked in KC's catalogue...or am I wrong? 

Yeah, I can definitely admire that about Gentle Giant; it probably helps that they kept strong blues influences, especially on the early albums.

As far as King Crimson songs that rock, what do you think about these ones?
  • 21st Century Schizoid Man
  • Pictures of a City
  • Easy Money
  • Larks' Tongues In Aspic, Pt. 2
  • Red
  • One More Red Nightmare
To name a few...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2017 at 08:13
Just out of curiosity.....anyone know what they are doing these days...other than being retired.....assuming thy are still alive and well...?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2017 at 07:44
I really love the Phil Shulman albums, not that what came afterwards wasn’t great. Even Civilian is a decent effort for the time. Would’ve been interesting to see where they could’ve gone had they not packed it in forever.......
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2017 at 07:15
So happy to see this thread gaining such traction! You guys/gals are all awesome. It warms my soul to know there are so many GG fans and critics in one place!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2017 at 01:58
There are lots of GG tracks I describe as "clever, clever" but there are also lots GG, which are truly mindbogglingly brilliant! Of all the polarizing prog bands (e.g. VdGG, KC, GG, etc) GG were the only ones who in my opinion, consistently rocked...you can't really find anything that rocked in KC's catalogue...or am I wrong? You can even dance to some GG tunes...well, I tried and succeeded (I think!). I have never been able to dance to either KC or VdGG for that matter!




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2017 at 00:03
Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

Looks like Renaissance were a little more popular than GG in US, based on Billboard Chart time

GG did have 7 albums in the top 200 with 4 in the top 100 and 1 (Freehand)  in the top 50.  Their albums spent a total of 56 weeks in the charts

Renaissance had 8 in the top 200 of which 5 made the top 100 and 2 (Scheherazade, Novella) made the top 50.  Their albums spent a total of 101 weeks in the charts

Both had a live album in the charts (Playing the Fool for GG and Live at Carnegie Hall for Renaissance)

Interestingly, both were much more popular in US than UK.  Gentle Giant never charted in UK(!), whereas Renaissance did chart with 2 albums, one of them, A Song for All Seasons, quite successfully (#35), but largely due to an unlikely, though brilliant, hit single, "Northern Lights" (#10).


You'd kind of have to expect that given GG had a far less accessible sound than Renaissance (or Yes/Genesis/JT for that matter).  Of the well known prog rock bands, only VDGG was as or even less accessible.  Also KC during the Wetton phase but even they had ballads like Lament or Fallen Angel. 

Love the band, though. I agree with the opinion that they were more head than heart but that goes for a lot of prog anyway.  And at least based on what footage I have seen of them, boy, Renaissance must have had their hands full following up GG.  Real nightmare for any headliner!  Only JT or ELP could have pulled it off in terms of sheer energy level.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2017 at 22:29
Looks like Renaissance were a little more popular than GG in US, based on Billboard Chart time

GG did have 7 albums in the top 200 with 4 in the top 100 and 1 (Freehand)  in the top 50.  Their albums spent a total of 56 weeks in the charts

Renaissance had 8 in the top 200 of which 5 made the top 100 and 2 (Scheherazade, Novella) made the top 50.  Their albums spent a total of 101 weeks in the charts

Both had a live album in the charts (Playing the Fool for GG and Live at Carnegie Hall for Renaissance)

Interestingly, both were much more popular in US than UK.  Gentle Giant never charted in UK(!), whereas Renaissance did chart with 2 albums, one of them, A Song for All Seasons, quite successfully (#35), but largely due to an unlikely, though brilliant, hit single, "Northern Lights" (#10).



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2017 at 20:57

I wonder if Giant ever played this live when they needed a pick me up....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2017 at 12:49
Originally posted by Frankh Frankh wrote:

Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:



Perhaps they didn't miss the fact that they could turn people off. In their first, or first 2 albums, they had a stetement written... I don't remember it exactly, but it was something like they tried to be very innovative (or whatever) at the risk of being highly unpopular. So they knew what they were getting into.


"It is our goal to expand the frontiers of contemporary popular music at the risk of being very unpopular. We have recorded each composition with the one thought - that it should be unique, adventurous and fascinating. It has taken every shred of our combined musical and technical knowledge to achieve this. From the outset we have abandoned all preconceived thoughts of blatant commercialism. Instead we hope to give you something much more substantial and fulfilling. All you need to do is sit back, and acquire the taste."

This wasn't always my favorite album from the band (Acquiring The Taste). It is only in the last ten or fifteen years that I settled on it, fully. It isn't perfect. Kind of ebbs off toward the end. Plain Truth, not their finest hour.

But, so good. So unique, such a singular listening experience. So much here that cannot be found anywhere else!

Can you tell? I love this album.

The House, The Street, The Room. Pantagruel's Nativity.

They really don't make 'em like this anymore. They may never have.


Thanks, I was lazy to look for the whole quote    And indeed I believe they achieved their goal.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2017 at 10:02
Originally posted by YESESIS YESESIS wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

The Power And The Glory is my favourite by them. Precision musical engineering! The early albums have some beautiful moments but they don't really hang together that well for me. It's a bit like comparing ELP's debut to Brain Salad Surgery. I prefer it when ELP went up a gear and the same is largely true of how I feel about GG.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2017 at 08:10
Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:



Perhaps they didn't miss the fact that they could turn people off. In their first, or first 2 albums, they had a stetement written... I don't remember it exactly, but it was something like they tried to be very innovative (or whatever) at the risk of being highly unpopular. So they knew what they were getting into.


"It is our goal to expand the frontiers of contemporary popular music at the risk of being very unpopular. We have recorded each composition with the one thought - that it should be unique, adventurous and fascinating. It has taken every shred of our combined musical and technical knowledge to achieve this. From the outset we have abandoned all preconceived thoughts of blatant commercialism. Instead we hope to give you something much more substantial and fulfilling. All you need to do is sit back, and acquire the taste."

This wasn't always my favorite album from the band (Acquiring The Taste). It is only in the last ten or fifteen years that I settled on it, fully. It isn't perfect. Kind of ebbs off toward the end. Plain Truth, not their finest hour.

But, so good. So unique, such a singular listening experience. So much here that cannot be found anywhere else!

Can you tell? I love this album.

The House, The Street, The Room. Pantagruel's Nativity.

They really don't make 'em like this anymore. They may never have.

Edited by Frankh - December 23 2017 at 08:29
Perhaps finding the happy medium is harder than we know.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2017 at 17:44
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

The Power And The Glory is my favourite by them. Precision musical engineering! The early albums have some beautiful moments but they don't really hang together that well for me. It's a bit like comparing ELP's debut to Brain Salad Surgery. I prefer it when ELP went up a gear and the same is largely true of how I feel about GG.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2017 at 17:43
Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

Big Gentle Giant fan here; I have all of their albums, and like every one of them..
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2017 at 16:46
Gentle Giant - this is the band I gave tried so hard to get to understand and like. I also bought Live - Playing the Fool when it came out in the late 70s and tried to find that spark to take me into their wide discography - but never did at the time, despite enjoying the old tune here and there.

The 'head' v 'heart' argument is an interesting one and I do find more to draw me in these days - but back in the 70s when my £1 pocket money needed to be spent on sure-fire likes, it's a shame that Gentle Giant just didn't make it on my buy list for vinyl - and no friends had them to loan to me to tape them either.

I have a lot of respect for those who find deeper aspects to Gentle Giant (the same as with some eras of King Crimson as well) and I still hope for that 'Eureka' moment with repeated listening (I now hear so many echoes of them in some stuff by Spock's Beard). I just fear I won't fully - although more so than Zappa and the Grateful Dead I hope - who are still closed books to me, sadly.

Edited by Squonk19 - December 22 2017 at 16:51
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2017 at 13:06
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Dellinger said: "<span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">I like Gentle Giant well enough, but mostly their first 2 albums, and after Phil Shulman left I just lost them. Actually, the first album I bought from them was the live Playing the Fool (since it's got such flawless reviews, and I often buy live albums first to get a good overview of the bands songs up to that point, without the risk of repeating the exact same songs (in the exact same version) in case I decide to start buying albums from them. However, I just couldn't (and still can't) understand Playing the Fool, and I thought I just wouldn't be able to get into them... I just couldn't find the beautiful melodies or hooks I wanted on an album. But somehow I was persuaded to give them a second chance, and I went for their first 4 albums (I remembered hearing Octopus on Youtube, and finding it promising, and from Playing the Fool, the one song I did like a lot was "Funny Ways", from the first album. However, I ended up loving their first 2 albums, but 3 friends started showing the aspects that I did not like on PtF (and had less of the aspects I did like from the first 2), and Octopus does have some songs I like, but also is not at the same level as the first 2. However, I don't expect to go further into their discography, and given a few listens I have given to some of the albums from after Phil left, I don't expect to change my mind."</span>
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<span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">I have to agree with this ....and while I own the first 8 (and do play them from time to time...) , the first 2 are still my favorites.</span>
<span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">Very talented musicians with clever arrangements but imho missing some heart on many tracks that end up coming off as accomplished but ultimately unsatisfying. It seemed to me at times that they almost went out of their way to be eclectic and quirky  to impress people but missed the fact that that could also turn people off.</span>


Perhaps they didn't miss the fact that they could turn people off. In their first, or first 2 albums, they had a stetement written... I don't remember it exactly, but it was something like they tried to be very innovative (or whatever) at the risk of being highly unpopular. So they knew what they were getting into.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2017 at 12:49
I appreciate them for their whimsical and unique sound. They put their own eccentric signature to the history of prog. Octopus and Acquiring the Taste are by far my favorites.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2017 at 09:48
Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

Big Gentle Giant fan here; I have all of their albums, and like every one of them. Though not structurally like Triumvirat, they formed and disbanded at around the same time, and despite that, continue to turn heads with their initial second tier popularity helping them to ride the tide, despite all those years!
My thoughts got kind of jumbled up in that post. LOL Just meant to say GG are like Triumvirat, in being around at the same time, being sort of initially second tier in popularity, and still having a loyal fan base.
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