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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2017 at 04:20
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

I kill you in the name of _____. (Insert god.)


I kill you upon the order of _______. (insert government.)

I kil you for the profit of _________. (insert business).


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I kill you in the name of _____. (Insert god.)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2017 at 13:19
Originally posted by DoctorD DoctorD wrote:

Originally posted by Argo2112 Argo2112 wrote:

 Communist governments are generally oppressive regimes.
 Capitalism too often fall pray to greed and generally favors a select few .
 Religion is probably responsible for the most deaths of any force in history.

 That's not to say there aren't good things that come from these but when people are 
granted too much power through any of these institutions bad things tend to happen. 


"Religion is probably responsible for the most deaths of any force in history."
This is such a cliched and baseless statement. LOL
Get some real numbers to back your claim and get back to us.  Pretty please.

Lets See, uhmmmm...Holy wars in the middle east (past & present), The Crusades,The Inquisition, Salem Witch trials,The IRA, The Holocaust and other genocides targeting religious minorities , persecution of Christians by Iran, China , North Korea,.... 

You want some more?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2017 at 12:56
Originally posted by DoctorD DoctorD wrote:

Communism = limited individual freedoms, limited upward mobility, limited freedom of expression, scarcity of resources, etc.

Sounds like a good description of capitalism.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2017 at 12:47
yeah but since this is a music site, easy to make a point about the US invented music forms....on the other hand what Russia really gave us of best? was it their classical ballet? All Russians are proud of their ballet tradition, still one of the most influential in the world. But hey wtf!  today pretty much a worthless culture since no one gives a damn about it...... BTW, interesting how alao European traditional cultures are being gradually (though still slowly) ignored, losing space to the contemporary global mass cultures.....
Anyway , just an observation ... I'm OK with that, you know, everything today boils down to a matter of taste - whether you like or dislike anything.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2017 at 12:37
Originally posted by DoctorD DoctorD wrote:

Originally posted by Cosmiclawnmower Cosmiclawnmower wrote:

Originally posted by DoctorD DoctorD wrote:

Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

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>Show me a good car developed under a socialist/communist regime.

Pretty much any Lada of the soviet era. Durable, starts in any conditions, simple enough to repair at home etc.


What's the difference between a Lada and a golf ball?

You can drive a golf ball 200 metres


Ive owned both Russian Lada cars and Ural/ Dneiper Motorcycles; both were rugged and reliable and could be fixed at home using basic tools; They came with their own extensive tool kits and were designed to cope with extremes of climate. Even during the 70's and 80's cars in Europe, Japan & America were being manufactured to be more and more complex and less and less accessible for the home mechanic, thus creating a monopoly amongst the dealerships to force even the simplest jobs to be done by them at inflated prices and make us less and less able to do these things for ourselves. So one thing Capitalism certainly aims to do is make us individually less reliant on our own skills and initiative. Another fantastic initiative that came out of Soviet Russia was a breeding programme for Potato varieties that are highly disease resistant and highly productive in extremely low input systems (water, fertilizer etc) which may not seem very exciting but looking at how important the humble potato is in the world diet and how just about every other breeding programme has relied on either genetic modification combined with higher and more chemical reliant inputs.




Well, I stand corrected.  Russia did two good things: Lada's and potatoes.  Russia's obviously the best.  Sign me up comrade!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2017 at 10:54
Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Originally posted by DoctorD DoctorD wrote:


Well, I stand corrected.  Russia did two good things: Lada's and potatoes.  Russia's obviously the best.  Sign me up comrade!
 
Don't forget, they're also good at making "America Great Again."
Indeed, it is nice that for once the two great nations stand united for one cause. :)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2017 at 10:29
Originally posted by DoctorD DoctorD wrote:


Well, I stand corrected.  Russia did two good things: Lada's and potatoes.  Russia's obviously the best.  Sign me up comrade!
 
Don't forget, they're also good at making "America Great Again."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2017 at 07:56
Originally posted by DoctorD DoctorD wrote:

Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Originally posted by DoctorD DoctorD wrote:

Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

I'm in favor of communism in theory but I feel that it will only work in small communities of kind and intelligent people. On a national or international level the majority would resist because the majority are either greedy or stupid or both.


Capitalism seems to work on all levels much better than any form of communism.
What do you mean by that? You claimed yourself that "communism", as you call it, killed 94 million people. And although that's not nearly enough to counter the birth rates, don't you think it's pretty decent start compared to the pathetic numbers of capitalism?


I'm really stumped... What do you mean by a "pretty decent start"?  Would have it been better for communist regimes to kill more?  Confused.
I think we can all agree that as long as less being born isn't going to happen more being killed is the second best option.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2017 at 07:41
Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Originally posted by DoctorD DoctorD wrote:

Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

I'm in favor of communism in theory but I feel that it will only work in small communities of kind and intelligent people. On a national or international level the majority would resist because the majority are either greedy or stupid or both.


Capitalism seems to work on all levels much better than any form of communism.
What do you mean by that? You claimed yourself that "communism", as you call it, killed 94 million people. And although that's not nearly enough to counter the birth rates, don't you think it's pretty decent start compared to the pathetic numbers of capitalism?


I'm really stumped... What do you mean by a "pretty decent start"?  Would have it been better for communist regimes to kill more?  Confused.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2017 at 07:38
Originally posted by Cosmiclawnmower Cosmiclawnmower wrote:

Originally posted by DoctorD DoctorD wrote:

Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

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>Show me a good car developed under a socialist/communist regime.

Pretty much any Lada of the soviet era. Durable, starts in any conditions, simple enough to repair at home etc.


What's the difference between a Lada and a golf ball?

You can drive a golf ball 200 metres


Ive owned both Russian Lada cars and Ural/ Dneiper Motorcycles; both were rugged and reliable and could be fixed at home using basic tools; They came with their own extensive tool kits and were designed to cope with extremes of climate. Even during the 70's and 80's cars in Europe, Japan & America were being manufactured to be more and more complex and less and less accessible for the home mechanic, thus creating a monopoly amongst the dealerships to force even the simplest jobs to be done by them at inflated prices and make us less and less able to do these things for ourselves. So one thing Capitalism certainly aims to do is make us individually less reliant on our own skills and initiative. Another fantastic initiative that came out of Soviet Russia was a breeding programme for Potato varieties that are highly disease resistant and highly productive in extremely low input systems (water, fertilizer etc) which may not seem very exciting but looking at how important the humble potato is in the world diet and how just about every other breeding programme has relied on either genetic modification combined with higher and more chemical reliant inputs.




Well, I stand corrected.  Russia did two good things: Lada's and potatoes.  Russia's obviously the best.  Sign me up comrade!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2017 at 22:24
And this is why I avoid the political threads... 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2017 at 22:09
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Religion. Capitalists very rarely strap bombs to themselves and blow up buses, burn people at the stake or stone anyone.

Capitalists have, however, killed numerous strikers over the years during labour disputes, like in the Ludlow Massacre or the Homestead Strike.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2017 at 22:06
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Yeah, Religion f**ks everyone up the arse.............

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2017 at 21:56
Yeah, Religion f**ks everyone up the arse.............
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2017 at 20:04
Religion. Capitalists very rarely strap bombs to themselves and blow up buses, burn people at the stake or stone anyone.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2017 at 19:09
It's bullsh*t that we, the people, are governed by douchebag ideologies at all. Politics, in general, is poisonous.
In Zappa's immortal words, regarding folks in the higher places, " coz what you do and what you say, affects my life in every way, I learn to hate it every minute ".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2017 at 18:15
Originally posted by DoctorD DoctorD wrote:

Capitalism seems to work on all levels much better than any form of communism
 
Just another BIG fallace ... or, better saying, an appalling assumption....

For capitalism, in order to work much better, it shouldn't imply neither exploitation nor strong wealth concentration. However, it is a system based on wage labour - that is, exploitation - where one class is exploited by another. 
Capitalist stability is not only based on endless expansion of the world market, but also on intensifying exploitation..... and to a large degree the burden, here, is passed on to the working poor and the 'developing' economies - with dumping of excess produce, and ever-intensifying rates of ...exploitation!

And don't get me wrong.....the Eastern Bloc (*) was more 'economically level' than the West - and our Western prosperity has been due partly to exploitation of the 'third world', ...and ....dependence of a layer of 'working poor' within those capitalist economies.  

(*) Okay, let us put apart appalling examples such as the place of Roumania in the Eastern Bloc.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2017 at 15:49
Originally posted by DoctorD DoctorD wrote:

Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

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>Show me a good car developed under a socialist/communist regime.

Pretty much any Lada of the soviet era. Durable, starts in any conditions, simple enough to repair at home etc.


What's the difference between a Lada and a golf ball?

You can drive a golf ball 200 metres


Ive owned both Russian Lada cars and Ural/ Dneiper Motorcycles; both were rugged and reliable and could be fixed at home using basic tools; They came with their own extensive tool kits and were designed to cope with extremes of climate. Even during the 70's and 80's cars in Europe, Japan & America were being manufactured to be more and more complex and less and less accessible for the home mechanic, thus creating a monopoly amongst the dealerships to force even the simplest jobs to be done by them at inflated prices and make us less and less able to do these things for ourselves. So one thing Capitalism certainly aims to do is make us individually less reliant on our own skills and initiative. Another fantastic initiative that came out of Soviet Russia was a breeding programme for Potato varieties that are highly disease resistant and highly productive in extremely low input systems (water, fertilizer etc) which may not seem very exciting but looking at how important the humble potato is in the world diet and how just about every other breeding programme has relied on either genetic modification combined with higher and more chemical reliant inputs.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2017 at 15:18
Originally posted by DoctorD DoctorD wrote:

Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

I'm in favor of communism in theory but I feel that it will only work in small communities of kind and intelligent people. On a national or international level the majority would resist because the majority are either greedy or stupid or both.


Capitalism seems to work on all levels much better than any form of communism.
What do you mean by that? You claimed yourself that "communism", as you call it, killed 94 million people. And although that's not nearly enough to counter the birth rates, don't you think it's pretty decent start compared to the pathetic numbers of capitalism?
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