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Points: 1578 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2018 at 01:34
^ I don't think BJH wanted to steal attention from the 'greater bands'. In fact BJH was screwed over many times in their 'prog' days.

When they turned pop, they eventually became popular (especially in Germany). Today no-one even knows who they are, and no-one can think of a song they wrote.
So how exactly are they overrated? Did anyone ever in the history of mankind said that BJH were a great progband? I don't even think they wanted to be a progband. I think they were in the same league as latter day Moody Blues, Alan Parsons Project, John Miles, Al Stewart etc.

Now it's just a game of yelling bands you don't like.
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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Barclay James Harmless would definitely be on my list.
I agree. When knowing how many greater prog bands in the seventies hadnīt got any attention. But of course itīs natural the commercial style bands have always got more attention in this world than uncommercial. On the other hand I think Moody Blues did lots of same as BJH, but much greater.
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Agree with Cristi. Even though I don't like most RIO/Avant/Zeuhl and I'm a bit indifferent towards krautrock, that doesn't mean every single band that fits into any of those subgenres is overrated.
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^ why? is it because you do not like the genre? 
it's not the same thing
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Points: 86 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2018 at 17:23
Every Tech/Extreme Prog Metal band on this website seems to be overrated.
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I wouldn't call Barclay James Harvest overrated.

Even the fans know they are middle-of-the-road.
Just a basic 70's dad-rock band. I like it a lot though.
Although when they sounded more like the Bee Gees then themselves, I lost interest.

John Lees is now fronting a band, that continues the sound of Once Again/Octoberon, wich I think is great.
I think he has at least 1000 fans worldwide. :D
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^ while I do no like BJH (at least not anymore), I wouldn't call them overrated, a lot of people don't even know them LOL
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Points: 10261 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2018 at 07:18
Barclay James Harmless would definitely be on my list.


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Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

The only prog band I can think of that I find overrated is Ayreon. Every time this guy releases something, everyone goes crazy with praise. Arjen has been doing the same recipe since 1995 and he gets away with it every time. 


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I love flapjacks.  I love plain flapjacks, jam flapjacks, chocolate flapjacks, peanut butter flapjacks, etc.......I love flapjacks.

I love Ayreon


Most bands have a signature sound, don't you find?......

I'm the minority here, you like the guy, good for you. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

The only prog band I can think of that I find overrated is Ayreon. Every time this guy releases something, everyone goes crazy with praise. Arjen has been doing the same recipe since 1995 and he gets away with it every time. 


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I love flapjacks.  I love plain flapjacks, jam flapjacks, chocolate flapjacks, peanut butter flapjacks, etc.......I love flapjacks.

I love AyreonCool


Most bands have a signature sound, don't you find?......
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

For all micky's gushing and opinions stated as facts I'm kinda disappointed with ELP. For me Lake & Emerson are great musicians and Palmer is an ok drummer (too mechanical and in love with solo's for my personal tastes). But the music they produced is too focused on technical showmanship with not enough hooks, experimentation or anything that grabs me. I enjoy Tarkus & BSS but I'm in no rush to get anything else.

I still think the first album is the best...before they became full of themselves.
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Points: 20623 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2018 at 08:34
^^Well...who pays attention to BBC or Daily Rock anyway...?

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For all micky's gushing and opinions stated as facts I'm kinda disappointed with ELP. For me Lake & Emerson are great musicians and Palmer is an ok drummer (too mechanical and in love with solo's for my personal tastes). But the music they produced is too focused on technical showmanship with not enough hooks, experimentation or anything that grabs me. I enjoy Tarkus & BSS but I'm in no rush to get anything else.
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Regarding Wilson....who the hell considers him a 'god'...can I see some quotes in print..?
He certainly has a lot of fans but so does that crappy singer Hammill......so I guess there's no accounting for taste..?


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Even the BBC think so!


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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:


As I have already pointed out there is a wide diversity of opinions posted here at PA from all over the globe and it is what it is.....unless there is some conspiracy to overrate bands including ELP...then it's simply subjective bias both for and against.
I also don't think MO or Cobham are overrated....they have done some great albums and some so-so ones and ratings reflect that imo.
But I think otherwise and don't mind a discussion based largely on subjectivity. If i claim something is overrated I should have something to back that claim up with. Others may of course disagree with me. Some from a well informed point of view while others from total lack of experience and knowledge. A young person stating that Ed Sheeran is the best artist ever or that Paulo Coelho is the best author are correct from their perspective, but I will automatically suspect that they haven't really heard that much music or read many books. By that I logically consider Ed Sheeran and Paulo Coelho to be overrated by those who settle with/or only know the basics. You can take my line of thought from there and apply it to all levels within Jazz, Prog, Classical or whatever. 
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Regarding Wilson....who the hell considers him a 'god'...can I see some quotes in print..?
He certainly has a lot of fans but so does that crappy singer Hammill......so I guess there's no accounting for taste..?


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Points: 20623 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2018 at 07:54
^^I would have quoted Sapper and Frenetic but captcha is a pain in the ass so.......
the problem is how do we define overrated since we only rate the albums here and not actually the band itself. Their first 4 albums certainly deserve 4 stars imo and the rest are not rated all that well...certainly not an overrated bunch of albums imho. I don't see these bad albums getting praise btw.
If we define it by all the praise that ELP allegedly has received over the years then we also have to take into consideration all the negative comments...including those here regarding being overrated. Love those circular arguments.
As I have already pointed out there is a wide diversity of opinions posted here at PA from all over the globe and it is what it is.....unless there is some conspiracy to overrate bands including ELP...then it's simply subjective bias both for and against.
I also don't think MO or Cobham are overrated....they have done some great albums and some so-so ones and ratings reflect that imo.
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Points: 43626 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2018 at 03:03
^ unlike Arjen, Steven experiments a bit, tries not to repeat himself. At least he's trying. 
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Points: 1578 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2018 at 02:59
I have the same feeling with Steven Wilson.

Nothing wrong with his projects, in fact I love Blackfield and some Porcupine Tree's albums.

But sometimes he's considered some kind of god.
The thing about Porcupine Tree I love the most is not even Steven Wilson. It's Barbieri en Harrison, hahaha.

His Jethro Tull remixes are really great though. I wish he would do BJH and Camel next :D
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The only prog band I can think of that I find overrated is Ayreon. Every time this guy releases something, everyone goes crazy with praise. Arjen has been doing the same recipe since 1995 and he gets away with it every time. 
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