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Atavachron 
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 Posted: April 07 2016 at 20:55 |
 TheLionOfPrague wrote:
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^ I don't know, she was just being honest about what she thinks. And though Keith may be getting some posthumous attention, I suspect giselle's observation is largely correct. Rock is in deep recession if not on its last legs and the movers in rock are slowly fading from contemporary culture as important figures. A few Eternals still exist ~ Hendrix, Zep, Lennon&McCartney, Neil Young, etc ~ but music and its consumption has changed to where rock innovators are much less appreciated or even known. Show me a non-musician in their 20s who knows who Dave Gilmour or Keith Moon is and I'll show you someone whose parents listened to classic rock. But that's about it. |
Gilmour is playing in full stadiums all over the world, and he's not even playing with the band that made him famous. I think he belongs in that first group. |
Playing in full stadiums around the world to old, old people whose musical tastes are increasingly irrelevant.
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Still I think ELP are a band that will last, they will not be mega popular, but only a few groups are, they'll always have an important following nonetheless. I've seen several people I know posting about Emerson's death on Facebook when it happened (all in their mid/early 20's). |
Several people in their mid/early 20s who have an unusual grasp of rock history .. and I'm guessing musicians.
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Posted: April 07 2016 at 20:32 |
Atavachron wrote:
^ I don't know, she was just being honest about what she thinks. And though Keith may be getting some posthumous attention, I suspect giselle's observation is largely correct. Rock is in deep recession if not on its last legs and the movers in rock are slowly fading from contemporary culture as important figures. A few Eternals still exist ~ Hendrix, Zep, Lennon&McCartney, Neil Young, etc ~ but music and its consumption has changed to where rock innovators are much less appreciated or even known. Show me a non-musician in their 20s who knows who Dave Gilmour or Keith Moon is and I'll show you someone whose parents listened to classic rock. But that's about it.
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Gilmour is playing in full stadiums all over the world, and he's not even playing with the band that made him famous. I think he belongs in that first group.
Still I think ELP are a band that will last, they will not be mega popular, but only a few groups are, they'll always have an important following nonetheless. I've seen several people I know posting about Emerson's death on Facebook when it happened (all in their mid/early 20's).
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Posted: April 07 2016 at 19:55 |
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There's always been a major divided consensus about Emerson's value, which clearly wasn't limited to "rock." He somewhat tried to liberate people from it.
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Posted: April 07 2016 at 16:45 |
Atavachron wrote:
^ I don't know, she was just being honest about what she thinks. And though Keith may be getting some posthumous attention, I suspect giselle's observation is largely correct. Rock is in deep recession if not on its last legs and the movers in rock are slowly fading from contemporary culture as important figures. A few Eternals still exist ~ Hendrix, Zep, Lennon&McCartney, Neil Young, etc ~ but music and its consumption has changed to where rock innovators are much less appreciated or even known. Show me a non-musician in their 20s who knows who Dave Gilmour or Keith Moon is and I'll show you someone whose parents listened to classic rock. But that's about it.
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Posted: April 07 2016 at 03:08 |
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I agree that the comment appeared back handed. Keith's unfortunate death was reported on the main UK news bulletins; that was a testament to the man's enormous influence across the generations. I noted that even 'trendy' producers such as Mark Ronson also paid tribute to him.
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Posted: April 06 2016 at 23:58 |
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^ I don't know, she was just being honest about what she thinks. And though Keith may be getting some posthumous attention, I suspect giselle's observation is largely correct. Rock is in deep recession if not on its last legs and the movers in rock are slowly fading from contemporary culture as important figures. A few Eternals still exist ~ Hendrix, Zep, Lennon&McCartney, Neil Young, etc ~ but music and its consumption has changed to where rock innovators are much less appreciated or even known. Show me a non-musician in their 20s who knows who Dave Gilmour or Keith Moon is and I'll show you someone whose parents listened to classic rock. But that's about it.
Edited by Atavachron - April 07 2016 at 00:02
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Posted: April 06 2016 at 19:52 |
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I think it's terribly sad about Keith. He did great work in bringing keyboards to the fore in the public mind, following on from Billy Ritchie, but listening to what he actually produced, I don't believe there is anything that will last beyond this generation. Perhaps he realised that too, but even so, he should have been proud of what he did achieve in this life. Desperately poignant and sad. |
What generation are you talking about? Kids today are thinking he's great on YouTube and orchestras are playing him. Your comment is a pretty sad way to end a RIP thread.
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Posted: April 05 2016 at 11:09 |
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I think it's terribly sad about Keith. He did great work in bringing keyboards to the fore in the public mind, following on from Billy Ritchie, but listening to what he actually produced, I don't believe there is anything that will last beyond this generation. Perhaps he realised that too, but even so, he should have been proud of what he did achieve in this life. Desperately poignant and sad.
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Posted: April 01 2016 at 11:02 |
Long may this thread continue.. I was watching in the beginning DVD the other day wallowing in a bit of nostalgia and there was a segment when KE was asked why he/ELP got so much criticism, and quick as a flash he replied "because we are so good". panache, arrongance, self belief, this must have been his defence against the barbs, and how sad it appears that when his skills started to wane and with the advent of depression his self belief seemed to crumble. There is an incredibly sad youtube clip filmed recently I guess where KE says how much he is looking forward to touring Japan and tries to play a tiny segment of Tarkus on his piano. This is so horribly painful to watch. As KE himself wrote in liner notes for Ars Longa "Tomorrow is yesterday's history and art will still be there, even if life terminates"
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Posted: April 01 2016 at 09:34 |
brainstormer wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
This has to be the longest condolence signing in the site's history.
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If I could change the past, I would have written him fan letters trying to get him to drop out of the rock and roll world that he seemed to the end trying to please and just focus on scoring, not caring about performing.
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I did just that almost a year ago. See my post under 'Interview with Keith's Girlfriend' I thought it was worth sharing with the community. I have no idea if he ever even read it, but I wish it had helped.
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Posted: April 01 2016 at 07:31 |
In sort of a tribute to Keith, if you never have heard of Rachel Flowers she is an amazing keyboardist considering she is blind and sort of autistic since early childhood. She loves the ELP classics and Keith befriended her. In the YouTube clip below, Keith Emerson has let her try out some new modifications on his modular-moog before he did. There is a brief 2 minute intro by Keith before you see her play.
Hope you enjoy!
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Posted: April 01 2016 at 02:42 |
Emerson, Wright AND Squire  See, Chris had a physical health issue with a not-so-positive outcome. Keith had a psychological issue which had, at least, a 'thicker strand' of hope, had the appropriate support have been sought. Floyd's Rick was a shock, no doubt, but again, one who was suffering ill health. We all prepared ourselves (somewhat) for CS, HOWEVER, Keith's passing is an instant shock of the highest order. Most of us never saw this *amazing* performer as showing any cracks, or sign of detachment. I never thought this would be how Keith was to 'make his exit' (so to speak). Then again, it was always Emmo's M.O. to thrill everybody in such a grand way...........
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Posted: April 01 2016 at 02:41 |
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very fitting. He was, and only one close might be Fripp but even then he really wasn't even close in comparison, THE one person you can say was most responsible for prog rock.
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Posted: April 01 2016 at 02:01 |
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progressive rock world as lost an iconic awesome legend from his work in the nice to his solo album he as left us with heavenly music to remember him by...R.I.P Keith
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Posted: March 31 2016 at 23:03 |
Atavachron wrote:
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It's fitting as he was unjustifiably attacked by so many for so long. Unjustifiably means for no good reason. If I could change the past, I would have written him fan letters trying to get him to drop out of the rock and roll world that he seemed to the end trying to please and just focus on scoring, not caring about performing. He was looking for respect in the long places. Some people can just say "screw it" and focus on where the real gold is. We are all creatures of habit and habits are hard to change. I personally have deconstructed rock enough to realize what I'm dealing with.....he wrote a lot of beautiful music that is now being played by orchestras and soloists....not needing bass, drums, guitar and vocals, and a cheap media establishment to push it.
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Posted: March 31 2016 at 20:35 |
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This has to be the longest condolence signing in the site's history.
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Posted: March 31 2016 at 19:24 |
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I'm just as big of a fan of Emerson in the Nice as I am a fan of his work in ELP.
Rock and roll heaven now has a top flight keyboard player!
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Posted: March 31 2016 at 08:43 |
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Very sad news about Keith, especially how it happened. Keith did so much to bring keyboards to the fore in Rock music, but let's not forget that the concept actually began with Billy Ritchie of Clouds. Something I didn't know till I read the obituaries was that Keith had a band called "3" - The original name of the band later called Clouds during their 'legendary' and influential Marquee performances in early 1967 was ......1-2-3...............echoes of the past?........Wish Keith hadn't left us like this.
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Posted: March 30 2016 at 10:06 |
JD wrote:
Just saw this from the Yes home page from Rick. Not to flog the proverbial horse.
Health wise I’m heading in the right direction which is great as
the current working hours are very demanding. We have the band
recordings coming up as well as the orchestra and choir to do and then
it’s flat out to prepare for the O2.
Next month’s GORR will be very detailed and hopefully will be full
of good news as this year has been seriously blighted with so many sad
losses, none more so that losing my dear friend Keith Emerson in such
tragic circumstances. It has made me realise that sometimes the
pressure can truly get too much and often or not we as musicians have
nowhere to turn. Having had both a mental and clinical breakdown, I do
know where these dark places are, but I was lucky enough to be offered
help. I wish this help had been available to Keith. It is an area that
seriously needs addressing.
Please have a wonderful Easter.......with my restricted eating
allowance I am allowed one miniature white chocolate egg...........and
thanks for all who pledged for the album, we have reached our initial
target but hope that the pledges continue to roll in to help produce
this special dream of an 85 minute King Arthur!
Cheers,
Ric
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No horse flogged as you provided important words from probably Emerson's closest rival while he was at it in his heyday. Thanks for posting this as it offers more insight into why things happened as they did.
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Posted: March 30 2016 at 04:21 |
Finally got around to reading the Greg Lake interview in the Express.
I take the point some have made about it sounding a little like Greg just stood back and let Keith fall apart, but I think it'd be a bit much to expect Greg to reel out a blow-by-blow account of all of his and Keith's interactions; maybe Greg put a lot of effort into trying to help but it just never panned out.
The saying about how you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink applies doubly when you are talking about trying to help people with depression. You can go all-out to make sure that the help they need is available, but the uncomfortable truth is that unless they reach out and take that help, there will be no improvement - and there is no guarantee that the help they get will even work.
And, of course, there's the frustrating additional factor where it's in the very nature of depression to find it very difficult to accept help, and very difficult to hold out hope that the help you get will actually improve matters!
Having known someone who suffered from severe depression and eventually committed suicide, after exhausting every single angle of therapy (some of which left her with additional problems on top of the severe depression, none of which produced a lasting change), despite being surrounded by loving friends who only wanted the best for her, I want to reach out for the silver lining here: yes, depression took Keith's life. But if Greg's word is at all accurate, we're talking about a depression that Keith lived with for *forty years*. If it were that severe, surviving that long is an accomplishment in itself.
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