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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Music that is just labelled rock and doesn't have terms like progressive attached to it.
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Un Amico
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That's fine, I do not have anything against Rush and Tull are one of my favorite bands. I am surprised Todd Rundgren does not come up more often here. He is the embodiment of the Prog spirit (the way I see it) in many ways.
I ran away from home at age 13 to go and see Gentle Giant open for EL&P...I was at the Lyceum in London in 1976 for a Colosseum II gig at 3am.. and I never stopped listening since. I do have a fairly selective approach to 'Progressive' music, in my mind not all of the stuff on this page qualifies, but I do not try to stop people enjoying what they like. Guidelines are fine as every club has its rules. I understand that. |
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Catcher10
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Not really, but I appreciate your expressing your thoughts on what is prog/progressive, again its just way to generalized....which is not progressive thinking. You should really, if you have not, read up on the definitions of prog/progressive sub-genres here on PA, they are very specific and ground level. Remember, Progressive Rock music is the umbrella and all the sub-genres fall under it. Both Rush and JTull fall under a specific sub-genre of Progressive Rock music.
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The Anders
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What in the world is regular rock? There are many branches of rock music, one of them being prog...
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Un Amico
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I think for me Progressive means it has to expand the boundaries and take some risks. The risk is to be commercially unsuccesful. Underground is probanly a better word for it. The tightrope walk rather than the climb up the charts. Something along those lines anyway. Does that match your thoughts in some way?
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Catcher10
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Record store, bar, concert line, PA forums........it does not matter, the reasons don't change based on locale. What I am trying to pull out from you is what are your attributes for something to be considered prog? Because until now you are talking at a 60,000 foot (18,287m) view point. You need to bring yourself down to earth and give your specific reasons. Saying something is only folk or blues based does not make a song, album not prog. There are other specific attributes to how a song is written, the structure, the lyrics, instruments used, themes that can make a song, album prog. If you simply want to end this thread by saying..."look I just don't think Rush is prog at all and other than TAAB and APP, other JTull albums I don't think are prog either....". More power to you, but your gonna get a lot of questions still. Cheers!
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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A lot of people (even prog fans) seem to have an all or nothing opinion as to whether something is prog or not. To them it's either 100 percent prog or 100 percent not. There's a lot of grey area in between in my opinon. So when someone says "aqualung" or maybe some other album isn't prog then we might automatically assume it's just a regular rock album. That's just not the case (it's certainly not the case with aqualung which at the very least is art rock).
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Cristi
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so how do you define "prog"? What makes music progressive?
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SteveG
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So, do we go by what you think is prog and ignore the opinions of others? How do you make this work is my question.
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Un Amico
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I do not have the answer to that, but this is exactly the kind of discussion I would rather have! Is there any Prog DNA in Aqualung? To me it was akways a Folk-Rock lp...but I see that to other people it feels Prog. Interesting. Also Songs From The Wood, very difficult to put a label on! Heavy Horses? No I personally don't think it has any Prog in it.
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SteveG
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Just for the record, I don't find anything prog about Aqualung while other people do. How is that rectified?
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The Anders
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In the end, 'prog' is just a word that people choose to label something. There may be arguments for or against calling something prog, but it doesn't say if the music is good or bad. So in the end all these discussions are quite irrelevant. Rush is Rush, regardless of how they sound, of whether you like their music or not (I don't particularly). Same with Tull and Floyd.
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verslibre
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Kind of hard not to when you word things the way you do.
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Un Amico
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Aqualung gets a pass too. I did not mean that lterally, just as an example. There may be others too.i am having this discussion with you as if we just met in a record store and chatting while we are looking at albums. Do not take every word literally please.
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The Dark Elf
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Or Minstrel in the Gallery, Songs from the Woods, Heavy Horses or Stormwatch. May I repeat, this thread is laughable. A sensible person could list any number of albums from Rush as prog. Same as Tull. Same as Floyd.
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Catcher10
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Ok let me be more specific to my prior question.......Forget about the website part.
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verslibre
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Nope.
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Un Amico
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Yes I think so. I would rather discusd whether a certain record has any Prog credentials than whether the artist does/did. Something akin to discussing ideas, not people.
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Un Amico
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Yes that is true.
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