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rogerthat 
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 Posted: December 16 2020 at 19:15 |
 Lewian wrote:
@rogerthat: Good post generally, however despite all the chaos I'm still a supporter of public debate including debate within and between governing parties. People are heterogeneous, opinions are heterogeneous, life situations are heterogeneous, and I'd be happier in a world that embraced variety more rather than hoping for authoritative leadership, national unity and purity all the time.
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I partly agree and partly do not. As EasyMoney said, in a war, people instinctively accept the need for decisive leadership. The biggest failure in the Western world when it came to covid was in not seeing it as a war but as just an ordinary disease. People single out Trump but even many of the West European leaders played down the virus until March. Yes, they changed course but a lot of damage was already done by that point.
Secondly, debate must be orderly and in good faith. There has been a lot of bad faith argumentation on covid, attempting intentionally to personally attack those who advocate masks and there has also been a lot of digging in and obdurately refusing to see any merit in the pro-mask side of the debate. I read the other day about patients dying of covid in a small town in North Dakota and still refusing to admit covid was going to get to them. If people are going to say they won't be convinced no matter what, that's not debate and they do not get to break the law because they are 'not convinced'.
That said, I do have a major problem with govts adopting a brutal neo-liberal response on the economic front and allowing small businesses to simply die while bailing out big biz. I would welcome strong and passionate debate on that to put govts on the spot. But trying to dismiss the whole thing as a hoax to save your business is just a cop out and an irrational response that makes getting out of covid itself much more difficult. This isn't even hard or novel. Right now, Jimmy Dore is instigating progressive Democrats to take a hard line on Pelosi's re-election so that they can extract a good bargain for the working class. So it can be done without spreading hoaxes.
This isn't about attacking a point of view. The trouble is when you spread a point of view that pooh poohs the virus and a lot of people subscribe to it, that puts those of us who are taking all precautions to get through it safely in danger too. And that's not only unfair, it's cruel and selfish, that's the way I see it. You can debate all you want as long as you comply with public policy but if it's an alibi to indulge your laziness or selfishness, that becomes problematic.
Edited by rogerthat - December 16 2020 at 19:25
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Lewian
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Posted: December 16 2020 at 15:06 |
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Meet Dolores Cahill, who is calling out the entire covid scare a scam.
Oh here are her credentials.
BIOProf. Dr Dolores Cahill (follows pile of text that isn't meant to be read but just to generate awe by sheer length) (...)
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Not discussing her as a person and her credentials, just as an example, around 23-25 minutes she goes on about the fact that up to 11 March when the WHO declared Covid a pandemic there were 56 deaths a day from Covid, a ridiculously low number. She cites WHO numbers as credible there. Actually this is more or less correct, but look what happens after 11 March here, under daily deaths: March 20 there are more than 1,000, April 15 more than 8,000, these days more than 12,000. She portrays March 11 number as "near the end of the flu season" emphasising that Coronavirus behaves like the flu and "nobody can die from Coronavirus after April"; later "only between December and March", totally ignoring the fact that positive tests normally are some two weeks after infection and death weeks after the positive test and obviously totally ignoring the fact that Covid only came in big numbers to Europe and the US end February and March. In DECEMBER she discusses Covid based on numbers from 11 March (which she seems to trust as opposed to the October-December numbers from the same institution that are never commented on as far as I can see)! And using numbers from the same institution that now counts more than 1.5 million deaths from Coronavirus compared to the half million she quotes for annual flu deaths in the past, and those 1.5 millions are despite lockdowns and restrictions all over the place.
She also says US data for April-June are "like herd immunity works". Good for you Americans! There are some European data she shows going up to August or September - exactly when numbers where lowest, carefully handpicked with different end days per country, and there she stops. Evil be to him who evil thinks... (all data she uses are in line with the source I linked above, so you can check what happened in every case after the reference day she chose to use).
Well I guess I've got to give it to her that she used some intelligence there... to very obviously manipulate on purpose.
The interviewer adds "they want to take down mankind (with the vaccine) and blame it all on Coronavirus". Dolores: "Absolutely". Have fun then.
Edited by Lewian - December 16 2020 at 15:18
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Easy Money
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Posted: December 16 2020 at 14:55 |
Lewian wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
Lewian wrote:
@rogerthat: Good post generally, however despite all the chaos I'm still a supporter of public debate including debate within and between governing parties. People are heterogeneous, opinions are heterogeneous, life situations are heterogeneous, and I'd be happier in a world that embraced variety more rather than hoping for authoritative leadership, national unity and purity all the time.
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Generally I would agree with you, but taking an extreme example as a for instance. When the English citizens were told to extinguish their lights at night so that nazi bombers could not see them, that did not seem like a good time for debate or individual difference. |
Fair enough. This of course was brought upon England by a dictatorship in which public debate was totally stifled.
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To some people, stopping the spread of infectious germs is an equally grave situation, but I suppose that would be open to debate.  By the way, I appreciate many of your comments over the last couple pages, you are very logical in a world that seems to be losing its logic.
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Lewian
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Posted: December 16 2020 at 14:00 |
Easy Money wrote:
Lewian wrote:
@rogerthat: Good post generally, however despite all the chaos I'm still a supporter of public debate including debate within and between governing parties. People are heterogeneous, opinions are heterogeneous, life situations are heterogeneous, and I'd be happier in a world that embraced variety more rather than hoping for authoritative leadership, national unity and purity all the time.
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Generally I would agree with you, but taking an extreme example as a for instance. When the English citizens were told to extinguish their lights at night so that nazi bombers could not see them, that did not seem like a good time for debate or individual difference. |
Fair enough. This of course was brought upon England by a dictatorship in which public debate was totally stifled.
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Psychedelic Paul
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Posted: December 16 2020 at 13:33 |
chopper wrote:
Argo2112 wrote:
Since we seen to be sharing interesting theories about COVID I thought I would share something I saw in a Facebook post that was amusing. Apparently there is suppose to be some cosmic alignment of the universe happening in the next few weeks at which time we can achieve some kind of spiritual enlightenment. According to the post the Covid vaccine has been designed to alter our DNA to keep us from communing with the universe & reaching this " spiritual enlightenment" . So, according to the post, the entire Covid thing is a scam to get us to take the vaccine & keep us from communing with the universe! 
I have seen some wacky sh*t out there but this one takes the cake. Geez!  |
I wouldn't worry about it, according to the Mayan calendar the world is going to end on 21st December. Again. |
That's my plans for Christmas ruined then. 
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chopper
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Posted: December 16 2020 at 12:54 |
Argo2112 wrote:
Since we seen to be sharing interesting theories about COVID I thought I would share something I saw in a Facebook post that was amusing. Apparently there is suppose to be some cosmic alignment of the universe happening in the next few weeks at which time we can achieve some kind of spiritual enlightenment. According to the post the Covid vaccine has been designed to alter our DNA to keep us from communing with the universe & reaching this " spiritual enlightenment" . So, according to the post, the entire Covid thing is a scam to get us to take the vaccine & keep us from communing with the universe!
I have seen some wacky sh*t out there but this one takes the cake. Geez! |
I wouldn't worry about it, according to the Mayan calendar the world is going to end on 21st December. Again.
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BaldJean
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Posted: December 16 2020 at 11:53 |
Lewian wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
even my Jewish friends have told me that the reason the Jews were so persecuted around the WW2 timeline was because of their banking practices that promoted usury which was supposedly forbidden in Christianity. So it does seem that the Zionists are very much behind a lot of the world's ills a |
So what? The hypocritical Christians couldn't do it but allowed the Jews to do it and used it. If somebody thinks that's a reason for persecution they have a strange concept of causality. And how the last sentence is connected to the earlier one is beyond me.
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this is not so much a WW2 issue but a middle ages issue. in the middle
ages Jews were not allowed to join guilds, only Christians, and you
needed to be in a guild if you wanted to have a job as a trader or
manufacturer. but Christians were not allowed to be moneylenders, so
naturally the Jews took over that job
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 A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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Easy Money
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Posted: December 16 2020 at 11:19 |
Lewian wrote:
@rogerthat: Good post generally, however despite all the chaos I'm still a supporter of public debate including debate within and between governing parties. People are heterogeneous, opinions are heterogeneous, life situations are heterogeneous, and I'd be happier in a world that embraced variety more rather than hoping for authoritative leadership, national unity and purity all the time.
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Generally I would agree with you, but taking an extreme example as a for instance. When the English citizens were told to extinguish their lights at night so that nazi bombers could not see them, that did not seem like a good time for debate or individual difference.
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SteveG
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Posted: December 16 2020 at 10:10 |
Argo2112 wrote:
Since we seen to be sharing interesting theories about COVID I thought I would share something I saw in a Facebook post that was amusing. Apparently there is suppose to be some cosmic alignment of the universe happening in the next few weeks at which time we can achieve some kind of spiritual enlightenment. According to the post the Covid vaccine has been designed to alter our DNA to keep us from communing with the universe & reaching this " spiritual enlightenment" . So, according to the post, the entire Covid thing is a scam to get us to take the vaccine & keep us from communing with the universe!
I have seen some wacky sh*t out there but this one takes the cake. Geez! |
That story is no stranger than many stories posted in this thread!
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Argo2112
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Posted: December 16 2020 at 10:03 |
Since we seen to be sharing interesting theories about COVID I thought I would share something I saw in a Facebook post that was amusing. Apparently there is suppose to be some cosmic alignment of the universe happening in the next few weeks at which time we can achieve some kind of spiritual enlightenment. According to the post the Covid vaccine has been designed to alter our DNA to keep us from communing with the universe & reaching this " spiritual enlightenment" . So, according to the post, the entire Covid thing is a scam to get us to take the vaccine & keep us from communing with the universe!
I have seen some wacky sh*t out there but this one takes the cake. Geez!
Edited by Argo2112 - December 16 2020 at 10:04
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Posted: December 16 2020 at 10:01 |
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Meet Dolores Cahill, who is calling out the entire covid scare a scam.
Oh here are her credentials.
BIOProf. Dr Dolores Cahill is a world-wide renowned expert in high-throughput proteomics technology development and automation, high content protein arrays and their biomedical applications, including in biomarker discovery and diagnostics.
Prof. Cahill pioneered this research area at the Max-Planck-Institute of Molecular Genetics in Berlin, Germany, and holds several international patents in this field with research, biomedicine and diagnostic applications.
o Over 20 years expertise in high-throughput protein & antibody array, automation, proteomics technology development & biomedical applications in biomarker discovery, diagnostics & personalised medicine.
o Since 2005 to present, Full Professor of Translational Science, School of Medicine, University College Dublin, Academic, Researcher, Lecturer, Module Coordinator in Pathology Teaching, School of Medicine & Conway Institute
o 15 years as Irish, EU & international expert & advisor including Seconded National Expert to European Commission
o Company Co-founder & Shareholder (1997-2019) of Protagen AG in Germany (https://protagen.com/). Protagen Protein Services (2012-2019) contract services to healthcare sector & pharmaceutical industry (https://protagenproteinservices.com/).
o Since 2016, co-founding shareholder and Advisory Board member of Prof. Stephen Pennington’s UCD School of Medicine/Conway Institute spin-out company, Atturos Ltd. working to improve Prostate Cancer diagnosis (http://atturos.com/ and http://atturos.com/company/advisors/).
o Prof. Cahill has a total of over 5940 Citations, H (Hirsh)-index of 35, i10-index of 48.
o Project management: Has successfully obtained and project managed as Principal Investigator eight EU Programme funding grants from FP4, FP5, FP6, FP7 and Horizon 2020, Science Foundation Ireland, Enterprise Ireland, Health Research Board funding in companies and universities.
Selected Academic Leadership and Contributions: Member of Committees and Awards:
o Vice Chair, European Union Innovative Medicines Initiative Scientific Committee (2018-2021) and Member, European Union Innovative Medicines Initiative Scientific Committee (2016-2021) and Vice-Chair (2018-2021)
(https://www.imi.europa.eu/sites/default/files/uploads/documents/About-IMI/Governance/sc/IMI_SC_Bio_Dolores_Cahill.pdf).
o In 2013-2014, worked in European Commission, Brussels seconded full-time, as a Seconded National Expert (SNE) to the European Commission Research & Innovation (HORIZON2020) (DG RTD) Directorate, in a Strategy and Policy Development role for International R&D&I Cooperation between the EU & Asia (S. Korea, China, ASEAN) & for the Coordination of Health Research, Development and Innovation globally.
o In 2005, appointed by the Irish Prime Minister (Taoiseach) & Minister for Health as an Irish Government’s Advisory Science Council (ASC) Member (www.sciencecouncil.ie) (2005-2013) & to develop Irish Strategy for Science, Technology & Innovation (2006-2013) with Universities, Industry & Health, Education, Enterprise & Finance Depts.
o Chaired the ASC Task Force ‘Towards a Framework for Researcher Careers’ & ASC Task Force member Report on ‘Promoting Enterprise-Higher Education Relationships’ (2009) and ‘Sustainability of Research Centres’ (2012)
o Honoured with a lifetime award from the Federation of European Biochemical Societies Award in Norway (2009) for her research & its significance. Other awardees: Prof. J. Craig Venter & Nobel Prize winner, Prof. Robert Huber.
o Awarded the prestigious BMBF BioFuture Prize by German Minister of Science (€1.5million) (2000).
o Supervisor of over 20 completed PhD & Masters’ degrees in total. Chair of ten UCD PhD committees.
Project management, Research and Peer-Reviewed Publications:
o Prof. Cahill has a Hirsch h-index 35: i10-index 48.
o Citations 5946 Google Scholar Citations: https://scholar.google.com/
Selected Academic Leadership and Contributions: Invited Speaker, Keynotes, Conferences organised:
o Prof. Cahill has given over 100 Keynotes in USA, Europe, China, Japan, S. Korea, Australia, South America:
- 18th-19th May 2020: Chair, Global Bioprocessing, Bioanalytics & ATMP Manufacturing, Dublin.
- 18th-19th June 2020: Keynote Speaker, BioTech Pharma Summit, CBB 2020, Portugal.
- 24th-25th Sept 2020: Guest Speaker, Biotechnology Business Workshop, British Embassy & Biotech Atelier Sofia.
- 8th-9th October 2020: Keynote Speaker, Global Engage, Liquid Biopsies Conference, London.
- 13th-14th February 2019: Keynote Speaker Companion Diagnostics & Biomarkers Conference 2019
- 13th-15th March 2019: Speaker, Intergovernmental meeting in Bulgaria
- 10th -11th October 2019: Chair and Speaker, Immuno-oncology, London (http://www.giiconference.com/gel745785/)
- 13th-14th September 2018: Speaker, 5th Precision Medicine & Biomarkers Leaders’ Summit, Munich & Chair of Roundtable on Personalised Medicine & Adverse Events (http://www.giiconference.com/gel560004/catalog.pdf?1528437050).
o 9th March 2020: Prof. Cahill invited to speak on the panel ‘A View from the Top: UCD Medicine Female Professors in Conversation’ to mark International Women's Day 2020 (https://www.ucd.ie/medicine/whatson/title,485524,en.html)
o 17th-21st September 2017: HUPO2017: Human Proteome Organising (HUPO) Committee Member. The Annual HUPO World meeting was held in Dublin. UCD Prof. Stephen Pennington was Conference Chair. Prof. Cahill was HUPO 2017 Chief Financial Officer (http://hupo2017.ie/?team=prof-dr-dolores-cahill) & had over 1300 attendees with 90% from outside Ireland. Total budget € 1,300,000 & small profit made was returned to the sponsor, British Proteome Society. USA Vice-President (http://hupo2017.ie/news-2/) launched Global Cancer Moonshot at Conference Gala dinner.
Selected Peer Reviewed Publications:
· Medical Errors & Adverse Events: leading cause of death and disease burden. Cahill, Dolores (2018) Health Europa: 7:42-43. (http://edition.pagesuite-professional.co.uk/html5/reader/production/default.aspx?pubname=&edid=73e202a8-1e25-4d2e-afc3-1cd95c26e5ae)
·Anti-ribosomal-phosphoprotein autoantibodies penetrate to neuronal cells via neuronal growth associated protein (GAP43), affecting neuronal cells in-vitro. Kivity, Shaye; Shoenfeld, Yehuda; Arango, Maria Terresa; Cahill, Dolores J; O'Kane, Sara Louise; Zusev, Margalit; Slutsky, Inna; Harel-Meir, Michal; Chapman, Joab; Mathias, Torsten; Blank, Miri. (2017) Rheumatology RHE-15-1025.
· Ligand-directed targeting of lymphatic vessels uncovers mechanistic insights in melanoma metastasis D. R. Christiansona, A. S. Dobroffb, B. Pronetha,A. J. Zuritad, A. Salameha, et al., D. J. Cahill, J. E. Gershenwaldg, R. L. Sidmanj, Wadih Arap, R. Pasqualini (2015) Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences PNAS USA 2015 Feb 6. pii: 201424994. PMID: 25659743 www.pnas.org/cgi/doi/10.1073/pnas.1424994112.
· Highly sensitive toxin microarray assay to improve Aflatoxin B1 detection in food. Beizaei A, O’ Kane SL, Kamkar A, Misaghi A, Henehan G, Cahill DJ. (2015) Food Chemistry Vol 57: 210–215 DOI:10.1016/j.foodcont.2015.03.039.
·The Functional Bionano Interface–Mapping the Interactions at the Interface Between the Hard and Soft Protein Corona. O’Connell DJ, Baldelli Bombelli F, Cahill DJ and Dawson KA. (2014) Nanoscale: Sept 1: DOI: 10.1039/c5nr01970b
·Epitope presentation is an important determinant of the utility of antigens identified from protein arrays in the development of autoantibody diagnostic assays. Murphy MA, O'Connell DJ, O'Kane SL, O'Brien JK, O'Toole S, Martin C, Sheils O, O'Leary JJ, Cahill DJ. Journal Proteomics. (2013) 75(15):4668-75. PMID: 22415278.
· Vascular ligand-receptor mapping by direct combinatorial selection in cancer patients. Staquicini FI, Cardó-Vila M, Kolonin MG, Trepel M, Edwards JK, Nunes DN, Sergeeva A, Efstathiou E, Sun J, Almeida NF, Tu SM, Botz GH, Wallace MJ, O'Connell DJ, Krajewski S, Gershenwald JE, Molldrem JJ, Flamm AL, Koivunen E, Pentz RD, Dias-Neto E, Setubal JC, Cahill DJ, Troncoso P, Do KA, Logothetis CJ, Sidman RL, Pasqualini R, Arap W. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. (2012) 108(46):18637-42. PMID: 22049339.
·Assessment of the humoral immune response to cancer. Murphy MA, O'Leary JJ, Cahill DJ.
Journal Proteomics. (2012) 3;75(15):4573-9. PMID: 22300580.
· Proteomic analysis & discovery using affinity proteomics and mass spectrometry. Olsson N, Wingren C, Mattsson M, James P, O'Connell D, Nilsson F, Cahill DJ, Borrebaeck CA. Mol Cell Proteomics. (2011) 10(10):M110.003962. PMID: 21673276.
· Optimized autoantibody profiling on protein arrays. O'Kane SL, O'Brien JK, Cahill DJ.
Methods Mol Biol. (2011) 785:331-41. PMID: 21901610.
· Probing calmodulin protein-protein interactions using high-content protein arrays. O'Connell DJ, Bauer M, Linse S, Cahill DJ. Methods Mol Biol. (2011) 785:289-303. PMID: 21901608.
· Protein networks involved in vesicle fusion, transport, and storage revealed by array-based proteomics.
Bauer M, Maj M, Wagner L, Cahill DJ, Linse S, O'Connell DJ. Methods Mol Biol. (2011) 781:47-58. PMID: 21877276.
· Identification of a high-affinity network of secretagogin-binding proteins involved in vesicle secretion. Bauer MC, O'Connell DJ, Maj M, Wagner L, Cahill DJ, Linse S. Mol Biosyst. (2011) Jul;7(7):2196-204. PMID: 21528130
· Drug profiling: knowing where it hits. Merino A, Bronowska AK, Jackson DB, Cahill DJ.
Drug Discovery Today. (2010) Sep;15(17-18):749-56. Epub 2010 Jun 18. PMID: 20601095.
·Integrated protein array screening and high throughput validation of 70 novel neural calmodulin-binding proteins. O'Connell DJ, Bauer MC, O'Brien J, Johnson WM, Divizio CA, O'Kane SL, Berggĺrd T, Merino A, Akerfeldt KS, Linse S, Cahill DJ. Mol Cell Proteomics. (2010) Jun;9(6):1118-32. Epub 2010 Jan 12. PMID: 20068228.
·Diagnostic and prognostic biomarker discovery strategies for autoimmune disorders.
Gibson DS, Banha J, Penque D, Costa L, Conrads TP, Cahill DJ, O'Brien JK, Rooney ME.
Journal Proteomics. (2010) Apr 18;73(6):1045-60. Epub 2009 Dec 5. Review. PMID: 19995622.
· Calmodulin binding to the polybasic C-termini of STIM proteins involved in store-operated calcium entry.
Bauer MC, O'Connell D, Cahill DJ, Linse S. Biochemistry. (2008) Jun 10;47(23):6089-91. PMID: 18484746.
·ProteomeBinders: planning a European resource of affinity reagents for analysis of the human proteome.
Taussig MJ, Stoevesandt O, Borrebaeck CA, Bradbury AR, Cahill D, et al., Skerra A, Templin M, Ueffing M, Uhlén M.
Nature Methods. (2007) Jan;4(1):13-7. PMID: 17195019.
· Profiling humoral autoimmune repertoire of dilated cardiomyopathy (DCM) patients and development of a disease-associated protein chip. Horn S, Lueking A, Murphy D, Staudt A, Gutjahr C, Schulte K, König A, Landsberger M, Lehrach H, Felix SB, Cahill DJ. Proteomics. (2006) Jan;6(2):605-13. PMID: 16419013.
· High throughput identification of potential Arabidopsis mitogen-activated protein kinases substrates. Feilner T, Hultschig C, Lee J, Meyer S, Immink RG, Koenig A, Possling A, Seitz H, Beveridge A, Scheel D, Cahill DJ, Lehrach H, Kreutzberger J, Kersten B. Mol Cell Proteomics. (2005) Oct;4(10):1558-68. Epub 2005 Jul 11. PMID: 16009969.
· Profiling of alopecia areata autoantigens based on protein microarray technology. Lueking A, Huber O, Wirths C, Schulte K, Stieler KM, Blume-Peytavi U, Kowald A, Hensel-Wiegel K, Tauber R, Lehrach H, Meyer HE, Cahill DJ. Mol Cell Proteomics. (2005) Sep;4(9):1382-90. Epub 2005 Jun 6. PMID: 15939964.
· Protein biochips: A new & versatile platform technology for molecular medicine. Lueking A, Cahill DJ, Müllner S. Drug Discov Today. (2005) Jun 1;10(11):789-94. Review. PMID: 15922937.
· Bacterial protein microarrays for identification of new potential diagnostic markers for Neisseria meningitidis infections. Steller S, Angenendt P, Cahill DJ, Heuberger S, Lehrach H, Kreutzberger Journal Proteomics (2005)5(8):2048-55. PMID:15852346.
· ICln, a novel integrin alphaIIbbeta3-associated protein, functionally regulates platelet activation. Larkin D, Murphy D, Reilly DF, Cahill M, Sattler E, Harriott P, Cahill DJ, Moran N. J Biological Chemistry (2004) Jun 25;279(26):27286-93. PMID: 15075326.
· Cell-free protein expression and functional assay in nanowell chip format. Angenendt P, Nyarsik L, Szaflarski W, Glökler J, Nierhaus KH, Lehrach H, Cahill DJ, Lueking A. Analytical Chemistry (2004) Apr 1;76(7):1844-9. PMID: 15053642.
· 3D protein microarrays: performing multiplex immunoassays on a single chip. Angenendt P, Glökler J, Konthur Z, Lehrach H, Cahill DJ. Analytical Chemistry (2003) Sep 1;75(17):4368-72. PMID: 14632038.
· Characterization of the proteins released from activated platelets leads to localization of novel platelet proteins in human atherosclerotic lesions. Coppinger JA, Cagney G, Toomey S, Kislinger T, Belton O, McRedmond JP, Cahill DJ, Emili A, Fitzgerald DJ, Maguire PB. Blood. (2004) Mar 15;103(6):2096-104. Epub 2003 Nov 20. PMID: 14630798.
· A nonredundant human protein chip for antibody screening and serum profiling. Lueking A, Possling A, Huber O, Beveridge A, Horn M, Eickhoff H, Schuchardt J, Lehrach H, Cahill DJ. Mol Cell Proteomics. (2003) Dec;2(12):1342-9. PMID: 14517340.
· Next generation of protein microarray support materials: evaluation for protein and antibody microarray applications. Angenendt P, Glökler J, Sobek J, Lehrach H, Cahill DJ. J Chromatography A. (2003) 15;1009(1-2):97-104. PMID: 13677649.
· A dual-expression vector allowing expression in E. coli and P. pastoris, including new modifications. Lueking A, Horn S, Lehrach H, Cahill DJ. Methods Molecular Biology (2003) 205:31-42. PMID: 12491878.
· Toward optimized antibody microarrays: a comparison of current microarray support materials. Angenendt P, Glökler J, Murphy D, Lehrach H, Cahill DJ. Analytical Biochemistry (2002) Oct 15;309(2):253-60. PMID: 12413459.
· Generation of minimal protein identifiers of proteins from two-dimensional gels & recombinant proteins. Schmidt F, Lueking A, Nordhoff E, Gobom J, Klose J, Seitz H, Egelhofer V, Eickhoff H, Lehrach H, Cahill DJ. Electrophoresis (2002) Feb;23(4):621-5. PMID:11870774.
· Steps toward mapping the human vasculature by phage display. Arap W, Kolonin MG, Trepel M, et al., Cahill D, Troncoso P et al., Do KA, Logothetis CJ, Pasqualini R. Nature Medicine (2002) Feb;8(2):121-7. PMID: 11821895. https://people.ucd.ie/dolores.cahill |
Oh. But she isn't an epidemiologist or a virologist. Wonder why she hasn't published much in recent years? Oh. And she's tied to far right groups. Oh, now I see.
I would find this more believable if it came from a consensus of experts in the appropriate field numbering at least in the hundreds. Why doesn't she publish her views in a peer-reviewed, reputable publication?
I mean, if I had plantar fasciitis, would I go to an expert on proteomics? Or am I just not getting through the matrix being broadcasted from Saturn?
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@rogerthat: Good post generally, however despite all the chaos I'm still a supporter of public debate including debate within and between governing parties. People are heterogeneous, opinions are heterogeneous, life situations are heterogeneous, and I'd be happier in a world that embraced variety more rather than hoping for authoritative leadership, national unity and purity all the time.
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Posted: December 16 2020 at 05:03 |
SteveG wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
That means NOTHING is conclusive and therefore NOTHING is to be believed regarding this so-called pandemic. The onus is on those who want to make claims about covid and they have clearly fabricated data in order to push through political agendas. These brave souls who have been in medicine for decades are speaking out and telling us how they have done this.
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OK I am gonna give you another perspective here. Yes, on the one hand, there is clearly a lot of confusion about the pandemic. So much can be deciphered from the conflicting and contradictory bits of advice issued from time to time by Dr Fauci as well as the WHO.
HOWEVER, some of this is simply the struggle to deal with an all new disease. Think about how much longer it took to get a handle over AIDS. We have come to the point now where we no longer worry about HIV+ but I distinctly remember when this was not the case and when AIDS awareness campaigns were being run to restrict practices that were seen as dangerous and likely to spread the disease.
So, with that uncertainty in mind, one has to STILL do something if the spread of the virus is to be stopped. This is why leaders tried to take a stand even in the face of uncertainty because not acting was not a solution.
The way I see it, while America and, increasingly it seems, Europe expended energy on debating what to do about covid, East Asia simply acted decisively and brought it under control. They have been dealing with epidemics like MERS before so they adapted quickly to using masks and sanitizers and didn't see it as a curtailment of liberty. And they aren't alone. Australia and New Zealand did likewise too. I am not saying it would have been equally as easy for the US to control covid as for Aus/NZ with their uniquely isolated geographic location. But Trump didn't even try nor it seems have many of the people. Herd immunity is not the solution either; Sweden tried and failed. Every country that clamped down early on international travel, put in place strong restrictions when the case load was low and used contact tracing well, has done relatively well in controlling the spread of the virus. That includes not only Australasia but the Middle East too. They are not all 'lying', I know people who live there. They are doing fine. They were disciplined when it mattered and can now enjoy their 'freedom' even as US and Europe get hit by a second wave. |
Good post M. Some sensible thoughts and perspectives from the "eastern side" of the world. |
Thanks Steve. Wish I could say India did as well as the Far East. That said, I am thankful our leaders didn't have a noisy and very public debate about how to respond to covid. It would have been utter chaos had that happened.
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Posted: December 16 2020 at 04:01 |
rogerthat wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
That means NOTHING is conclusive and therefore NOTHING is to be believed regarding this so-called pandemic. The onus is on those who want to make claims about covid and they have clearly fabricated data in order to push through political agendas. These brave souls who have been in medicine for decades are speaking out and telling us how they have done this.
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OK I am gonna give you another perspective here. Yes, on the one hand, there is clearly a lot of confusion about the pandemic. So much can be deciphered from the conflicting and contradictory bits of advice issued from time to time by Dr Fauci as well as the WHO.
HOWEVER, some of this is simply the struggle to deal with an all new disease. Think about how much longer it took to get a handle over AIDS. We have come to the point now where we no longer worry about HIV+ but I distinctly remember when this was not the case and when AIDS awareness campaigns were being run to restrict practices that were seen as dangerous and likely to spread the disease.
So, with that uncertainty in mind, one has to STILL do something if the spread of the virus is to be stopped. This is why leaders tried to take a stand even in the face of uncertainty because not acting was not a solution.
The way I see it, while America and, increasingly it seems, Europe expended energy on debating what to do about covid, East Asia simply acted decisively and brought it under control. They have been dealing with epidemics like MERS before so they adapted quickly to using masks and sanitizers and didn't see it as a curtailment of liberty. And they aren't alone. Australia and New Zealand did likewise too. I am not saying it would have been equally as easy for the US to control covid as for Aus/NZ with their uniquely isolated geographic location. But Trump didn't even try nor it seems have many of the people. Herd immunity is not the solution either; Sweden tried and failed. Every country that clamped down early on international travel, put in place strong restrictions when the case load was low and used contact tracing well, has done relatively well in controlling the spread of the virus. That includes not only Australasia but the Middle East too. They are not all 'lying', I know people who live there. They are doing fine. They were disciplined when it mattered and can now enjoy their 'freedom' even as US and Europe get hit by a second wave. |
Good post M. Some sensible thoughts and perspectives from the "eastern side" of the world.
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Posted: December 16 2020 at 03:19 |
siLLy puPPy wrote:
That means NOTHING is conclusive and therefore NOTHING is to be believed regarding this so-called pandemic. The onus is on those who want to make claims about covid and they have clearly fabricated data in order to push through political agendas. These brave souls who have been in medicine for decades are speaking out and telling us how they have done this.
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OK I am gonna give you another perspective here. Yes, on the one hand, there is clearly a lot of confusion about the pandemic. So much can be deciphered from the conflicting and contradictory bits of advice issued from time to time by Dr Fauci as well as the WHO.
HOWEVER, some of this is simply the struggle to deal with an all new disease. Think about how much longer it took to get a handle over AIDS. We have come to the point now where we no longer worry about HIV+ but I distinctly remember when this was not the case and when AIDS awareness campaigns were being run to restrict practices that were seen as dangerous and likely to spread the disease.
So, with that uncertainty in mind, one has to STILL do something if the spread of the virus is to be stopped. This is why leaders tried to take a stand even in the face of uncertainty because not acting was not a solution.
The way I see it, while America and, increasingly it seems, Europe expended energy on debating what to do about covid, East Asia simply acted decisively and brought it under control. They have been dealing with epidemics like MERS before so they adapted quickly to using masks and sanitizers and didn't see it as a curtailment of liberty. And they aren't alone. Australia and New Zealand did likewise too. I am not saying it would have been equally as easy for the US to control covid as for Aus/NZ with their uniquely isolated geographic location. But Trump didn't even try nor it seems have many of the people. Herd immunity is not the solution either; Sweden tried and failed. Every country that clamped down early on international travel, put in place strong restrictions when the case load was low and used contact tracing well, has done relatively well in controlling the spread of the virus. That includes not only Australasia but the Middle East too. They are not all 'lying', I know people who live there. They are doing fine. They were disciplined when it mattered and can now enjoy their 'freedom' even as US and Europe get hit by a second wave.
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Easy Money
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Posted: December 15 2020 at 16:56 |
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Lewian wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Yep. Did you really think the world is sane? (...)
When one takes on the arduous task of explaining psychopathic behavior, what makes you think this stuff is logical?
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I was under the apparently wrong impression that you try to use arguments that have some logic to them. Obviously the behaviour of people isn't necessarily logical and I never said I believe the world is sane, however if you want to establish some positive claims rather than just skepticism against everything, you'd need to put things together in a logical way, don't you? And if your theory has some weird parts, the explanation that people are just weird is empty as this can explain everything including the opposite of your beliefs. In science convincing statements are open to falsification and resist strong attempts to falsify them. "People are just weird" is consistent with whatever they do and therefore not open to falsification.
PS: You still seem to think credentials are an argument.
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I'm dropping breadcrumbs. Anybody who wants to follow can pursue the things i'm bringing up. I apologize that the train of thought is all over the place. I'm not writing a dissertation for a PHD. I drop in sporadically and answer quickly.
Credentials allow an opinion to have credibility. The point is highly educated and experienced biologists and medical personnel have VARYING opinions. That means NOTHING is conclusive and therefore NOTHING is to be believed regarding this so-called pandemic. The onus is on those who want to make claims about covid and they have clearly fabricated data in order to push through political agendas. These brave souls who have been in medicine for decades are speaking out and telling us how they have done this.
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What exactly are the "political agendas" you refer to?
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siLLy puPPy
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Posted: December 15 2020 at 16:32 |
Lewian wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Yep. Did you really think the world is sane? (...)
When one takes on the arduous task of explaining psychopathic behavior, what makes you think this stuff is logical?
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I was under the apparently wrong impression that you try to use arguments that have some logic to them. Obviously the behaviour of people isn't necessarily logical and I never said I believe the world is sane, however if you want to establish some positive claims rather than just skepticism against everything, you'd need to put things together in a logical way, don't you? And if your theory has some weird parts, the explanation that people are just weird is empty as this can explain everything including the opposite of your beliefs. In science convincing statements are open to falsification and resist strong attempts to falsify them. "People are just weird" is consistent with whatever they do and therefore not open to falsification.
PS: You still seem to think credentials are an argument.
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I'm dropping breadcrumbs. Anybody who wants to follow can pursue the things i'm bringing up. I apologize that the train of thought is all over the place. I'm not writing a dissertation for a PHD. I drop in sporadically and answer quickly.
Credentials allow an opinion to have credibility. The point is highly educated and experienced biologists and medical personnel have VARYING opinions. That means NOTHING is conclusive and therefore NOTHING is to be believed regarding this so-called pandemic. The onus is on those who want to make claims about covid and they have clearly fabricated data in order to push through political agendas. These brave souls who have been in medicine for decades are speaking out and telling us how they have done this.
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siLLy puPPy
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Posted: December 15 2020 at 16:19 |
progaardvark wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
progaardvark wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
Did anyone else wonder about this quote from the previous page:
"Considering the third leading cause of death in the US is medical malpractice back up by extensive studies from John Hopkins University" |
No, I thought this was a thread where you can just make up stuff. Fact-checking is met with frowns from the enlightened ones. |
My roomie who is a doctor has verified these statistics. So have many others.
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It changes every year. I think right now it's hurting your back trying to pull a stuck tire out of a toilet. |
I thought that was #1
It's been hovering around 3rd for several years. Unacceptable if you ask me. It shouldn't even be in the top 1000. And nobody can understand why i distrust the medical establishment?
I live with a friggin doctor and he tells me horror stories!
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Lewian
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Posted: December 15 2020 at 16:17 |
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Yep. Did you really think the world is sane? (...)
When one takes on the arduous task of explaining psychopathic behavior, what makes you think this stuff is logical?
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I was under the apparently wrong impression that you try to use arguments that have some logic to them. Obviously the behaviour of people isn't necessarily logical and I never said I believe the world is sane, however if you want to establish some positive claims rather than just skepticism against everything, you'd need to put things together in a logical way, don't you? And if your theory has some weird parts, the explanation that people are just weird is empty as this can explain everything including the opposite of your beliefs. In science convincing statements are open to falsification and resist strong attempts to falsify them. "People are just weird" is consistent with whatever they do and therefore not open to falsification.
PS: You still seem to think credentials are an argument.
Edited by Lewian - December 15 2020 at 16:18
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progaardvark
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Posted: December 15 2020 at 16:10 |
siLLy puPPy wrote:
progaardvark wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
Did anyone else wonder about this quote from the previous page:
"Considering the third leading cause of death in the US is medical malpractice back up by extensive studies from John Hopkins University" |
No, I thought this was a thread where you can just make up stuff. Fact-checking is met with frowns from the enlightened ones. |
My roomie who is a doctor has verified these statistics. So have many others.
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It changes every year. I think right now it's hurting your back trying to pull a stuck tire out of a toilet.
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