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Points: 271 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2006 at 15:14
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

Two more questions:1. I was wondering if anyone knows this Japanese band -  KROKO ? Their bio is missing and no reviews on their two releases listed here.

2. Do you think this is worth buying:The Art Box - all of Art Bears albums plus 3 additional cd's ?


Here's a review of Kroko's Furia: http://www.progreviews.com/reviews/display.php?rev=krok-fur

As for The Art Box, I went for it and I don't regret it. The 2 remix CDs don't get played very often in my house, but the packaging alone is worth the extra expense! And the remasters sound gorgeous. I'm a total Art Bears fanboy, so take my word with a grain of salt, but I highly recommend this box set.
    

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Points: 12625 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2006 at 12:42
You're right James, Thanks!
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MikeEnRegalia listens to Zaar, I believe Assaf, he maybe able to help you.

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I have gotten hold of Zaar self titled release from this year. I need to listen to it more, but for now I fond it to be a good addition to the RIO/Avant prog band list in PA.

The problem is that there isn't much info available, as their website is non-functional.
This is what their label Cuneiform has about them:

This is the debut album by a quartet of musicians who know exactly what they want to do and who already have a totally distinctive ensemble sound! Guitarist Yan Hazera and drummer Michael Hazera are alumni of the great band Sotos, who spent 8 years honing their sound. After Sotos disbanded, they wanted to persue a similar musical vein, utilizing elements of chamber rock, zeuhl, improvisation, Rock In Opposition structured complexity and even French folk traditions. They found an excellent bassist and then gave themselves the unique edge of adding a vielle a roue (hurdy gurdy) player. The vielle a roue dates back to medieval times and has several strings which vibrate by turning a crank attached to a resined wheel. You play a melody by pressing keys on the instrument, while the other strings drone. It's a marvelous instrument and it sounds like nothing else; in this context, it often sounds like a cross between a Mike Ratledge-style electric organ, a cellist and bagpipes! This album includes two lengthy pieces, with several shorter works as well, giving the album a nice balance. While you can certainly hear echoes of Sotos on this album, I think that Zaar have already moved further than Sotos and have the possibility to appeal to a greater number of listeners. Excellently recorded by Bob Drake, who captured the rich overtones of these four instruments - not an easy feat! A band with a unique voice who are in the great French tradition of excellence in 'left-field' rock.

http://cuneiformrecords.com/bandshtml/zaar.html
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Points: 89372 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2006 at 18:06
Las Vegas Tango Part 1

Ooooh, this is excellent, reminds me of parts of Rock Bottom.

I find it quite listenable too actually, but I'm weird!
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Points: 3577 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2006 at 18:02
I didn't think it was that odd, but I listen to really weird stuff, so that's probably why. Parts of Hopper's album are even more bizarre, definitely not music you would play around a large crowd or party, unless you wanted them to leave!
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Points: 89372 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2006 at 17:55
It's very very very very weird!

Rock Bottom is an absolute essential album to a progrock collection, trust me!
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Points: 6667 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2006 at 17:51
Hmmm... I didn't know that. Embarrassed I still need to investigate both their discographies.

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Points: 3577 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2006 at 17:34
Yes, Hopper's "1984" and Wyatt's "End of an Ear" are both two of the first (if not the first) RIO albums.
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The album to scare off Grannies, wives, husbands, children, cousins, cats, dogs...

Nice!  I guess this is where it all started, way back in 1971.


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Back IT, I have extremely little knowledge of RIO, but I'd be interested to find out more. Perhaps it'll never become my favourite subgenre, though I think it's so important for the evolution of prog, that any self-respecting prog fan should know at least something of the most important bands.


 
Well, above is similar to what I thought when I started to listen to RIO: "Interesting, but probably not my cup of tea". I saved on my hard-disc about 15 albums by various RIO/avant bands in mp3 format, and listened to them very occasionally in the beginning, but step by step I got hooked by almost all of it. Mind you RIO/avant is very variable genre, and you might be totally enchanted by one band and extremely repelled by the other.
You should not necessarily go for "most important" bands (if there are such) - for example, I do not think Cro-Magnon are ultimately important in Belgium chamber division, but still they produced one of my favourite albums in the whole subgenre - namely "Bull?".
 
So try it (several times) - it can be very rewarding! 
 


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Two more questions:

1. I was wondering if anyone knows this Japanese band - 

KROKO ? Their bio is missing and no reviews on their two releases listed here.


2. Do you think this is worth buying:
The Art Box - all of Art Bears albums plus 3 additional cd's ?
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Points: 12625 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2006 at 00:58

I use another forum collab for my Finnish knowledge (guess who)... He told me that Alamaailman Vasarat is Hammers of the Underworld. I was very much in the wrong direction trying to guess what it was... 

Ghost Rider, I will be happy (as others here will too, I'm sure) to recommend you bands and albums we appreciate and love, plus help you listen to some of it.
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Points: 24429 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2006 at 13:07
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:



I love Alamaailman Vasarat, what a fantastic band!  I cannot wait to hear Hoyry-kone.


That's "steam machine" for you, sir... The Finns are really creative with their band names! And such a thriving musical scene...Thumbs Up
(just showing off my knowledge of FinnishTongue)

Back IT, I have extremely little knowledge of RIO, but I'd be interested to find out more. Perhaps it'll never become my favourite subgenre, though I think it's so important for the evolution of prog, that any self-respecting prog fan should know at least something of the most important bands.
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Points: 6667 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2006 at 13:02
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Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

Absolute Zero - I have their album Crashing Icons which is a crazy musical journey, and I like it a lot.
Does anyone know if they are still active, cause their site isn't telling much and it has been about 5-6 years since that first release?
 
 
AZ are indeed still active. Considering that they've been together in some form or another since the late 70's, I believe, yet only have the one studio album under their belt I think a good deal of patience is required, here. From what I've gleaned off other websites (their homepage is dormant, alas) a new release is imminent, and should take the form of a DVD containing 100% new studio material. I'm assuming the visual content will be mostly animation as it's a STUDIO DVD rather than a live one, but who can say?


Maybe just DVD-A(udio)?


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Originally posted by progreviews progreviews wrote:

Originally posted by Aaron Aaron wrote:


No no, I  really like Univers Zero, especially 1313, and I expect to get their third album sometime soon.  It's just hard to listen to their albums sometimes.  I think the first track on Heresie is a little too long, and seeing as I always listen to album in full from beginning to end, that song stretches my patience and I usually give up on it.  Trust me, I like dark music, but Heresie is about as dark as you can get.

Aaron 


Ah! I misunderstood. Yeah, you should definitely go for the other UZ albums then, none of them are quite as dark as Heresie. That one's my favorite actually, but Ceux du Dehors and Uzed are also absolutely awesome. Their newer stuff (since their reunion in 1999) is actually way less dark - the new live album has a good overview of that material. It's very good, quite different stylistically from the Heresie days but still good.

If you want the *really* dark stuff check out Present and Shub Niggurath


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Originally posted by Aaron Aaron wrote:

thanks, maybe i'll grab both
 
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I think Les Espaces Inquietes is out of print at the moment...
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Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

Absolute Zero - I have their album Crashing Icons which is a crazy musical journey, and I like it a lot.
Does anyone know if they are still active, cause their site isn't telling much and it has been about 5-6 years since that first release?
 
 
AZ are indeed still active. Considering that they've been together in some form or another since the late 70's, I believe, yet only have the one studio album under their belt I think a good deal of patience is required, here. From what I've gleaned off other websites (their homepage is dormant, alas) a new release is imminent, and should take the form of a DVD containing 100% new studio material. I'm assuming the visual content will be mostly animation as it's a STUDIO DVD rather than a live one, but who can say? All I know for certain is that AZ ain't dead and whatever they do next it's bound to be the most crucial avant-garde release of the year (whichever year it finally is).



TP, a bit off point here, I need your help with Lars Hollmer.
Go here and read my last post please.
Thank you!
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=22683&PID=2000533#2000533
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Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

The only Rio I know is Zappa, The Residents, a Captain Beefheart. They're all great and I didn't have much trouble getting into there music. I'm thinking about looking further into the scene at some of Mike Pattons groups.
 
Just to be anal... none of these chaps you've mentioned are Rock In Opposition. You'd be much safer referring to them as avant-prog.
 
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Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

The only Rio I know is Zappa, The Residents, a Captain Beefheart. They're all great and I didn't have much trouble getting into there music. I'm thinking about looking further into the scene at some of Mike Pattons groups.
 
Just to be anal... none of these chaps you've mentioned are Rock In Opposition. You'd be much safer referring to them as avant-prog.
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