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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2009 at 08:28
Originally posted by Wintersun Wintersun wrote:

all these people saying they cant get into most (or all) prog metal... sounds to me like they have no idea how diverse prog metal actually is... that meaning they have done barely any research at all... what are the odds of so many different types of bands under one vague flag not appealing to someone... 
 
You are right !
I will change the statement :
Out of all the Prog metal, i do infact know (quite a lot since my closest friend is crazy about the genre)
most of it is of little interrest to me. 
 
Its not possible to dislike a genre, you will never be sure you know every band playing it.
But normaly if you say " I dont like Jazz" what you are saying is that the Jazz you know, you dont like


Edited by tamijo - June 24 2009 at 08:33
Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2009 at 00:48
^ & ^^

lol, if the first comment was made and he hadn't seriously checked out those bands yet said he liked them, then i say HIPOCRIT!  For the record I think [would hope] he has checked them out thoroughly
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2009 at 21:53
Originally posted by Wintersun Wintersun wrote:

all these people saying they cant get into most (or all) prog metal... sounds to me like they have no idea how diverse prog metal actually is... that meaning they have done barely any research at all... what are the odds of so many different types of bands under one vague flag not appealing to someone...

On topic, I never could get into... Yes, Miles Davis (even his more proggy stuff), ELP,  Gentle Giant, and Porcupine Tree  

Well, ignorance is bliss.  I myself prefer to stay ignorant of prog metal and actually like all the stuff that you can't get into.  Not an insult, mind you, but tastes are tastes.  Out of all of those Porcupine Tree is probably the best bridge between.  But then if you as a metal fan never took a liking to PT, who knows? Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2009 at 17:47
all these people saying they cant get into most (or all) prog metal... sounds to me like they have no idea how diverse prog metal actually is... that meaning they have done barely any research at all... what are the odds of so many different types of bands under one vague flag not appealing to someone...

On topic, I never could get into... Yes, Miles Davis (even his more proggy stuff), ELP,  Gentle Giant, and Porcupine Tree  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2009 at 14:57
Dream Theater and Most of metal prog bands


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2009 at 13:57
Most Genesis
Almost all "Neo Prog"
Most Post-Rock (To ambient alike, tends to bore me)
Most Electronic prog (very often Cheap and cheesy)
Most Ambient music (Very boring)
Most Prog Metal (sounds often like power metal, emotions gone, to metalized, (I like NWOBHM and Thrash/Speed metal alot tho!).

To all you who don't like Gentle Giant, Watch their live stuff first! (much better than studio versions)
Some can be seen on youtube!
I didn't like Gentle Giant at first listens/watchs, but I started listening to light jazz fusion, with roots in rock.
Then i watched Gentle giant again and loved them! Many of you don't really like Jazz in prog that much, and it is necessary to like, to enjoy GG and VDGG + some of King Crimson's stuff. GG is also very Rythm (Climax's) based, try to accept the singer he is not that good imo too, but they play so well on their instruments and it sounds great!.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzDCfnBhinw    Gentle Giant - Funny Ways
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWfmfgHXAfE  Gentle Giant - Proclamation
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2009 at 13:55
Originally posted by Atykin Atykin wrote:

Radio Head: boring, boring boring..... When OK Computer came out, it was recommended by a friend.
I bought it, listened to it at least 10 times. I came to the conclusion that i don't like the music. But I also don't get why someone else would like it.
 
Pendragon: great music, as long as Barret shuts up. One of the most irritating voices in prog.


Whilst respecting other people's opinion, I can say quite simply why I like, no LOVE, OK Computer...it is because I marvel at how a group of young people could make such a stunning, emotional, sprawling piece of work at their age. It is because I have a fully functioning, questing, emotional, and empathic mind. It is because I appreciate and respect genius when I hear it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2009 at 12:19
Yes.   I just don't really think  they're good.  I feel like theres bands like ELP that have both mass technical ability and still have feel and write good music.  I feel like Yes cares much more about that 6/8 to 5/4 to 4/4 with 2/7 over it kinda crap than they do about the music actually sounding good.  I like crazy stuff like that, but at the end of the day, if ti doesn't sound good, it's not.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2009 at 10:30
I thought of another one: Voivod.  I guess they are often called prog metal.  I've heard a few decent things by them (particularly their Astronomy Domine cover), but overall not my cup of tea.  I saw them live once and the only thing that kept my attention was the fact that I was literally 2 meters away from Jason Newstead, one of my favorite metal bassists.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2009 at 07:48
Mine is Pink Floyd, I respect them so much for all they've done for music, both good and bad. But I can't bring myself to actually enjoy them. 
You think we've developed fast that we're civilized and intelligent I'll let you in on a secret...We've developed things the rest is just knowledge passed on.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2009 at 07:29
ELP
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Marillion
https://soundcloud.com/why-music Prog trio, from ambiant to violence
https://soundcloud.com/m0n0-film Film music and production projects
https://soundcloud.com/fadisaliba (almost) everything else
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2009 at 06:53
Radio Head: boring, boring boring..... When OK Computer came out, it was recommended by a friend.
I bought it, listened to it at least 10 times. I came to the conclusion that i don't like the music. But I also don't get why someone else would like it.
 
Pendragon: great music, as long as Barret shuts up. One of the most irritating voices in prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2009 at 23:46
Lets not forget latter King Crimson.  I do like Thrak, but alot of it is ruined the noise from Fripps guitar and mostly by Belew's voice.
 
Please don't remove my membership because of the views above  Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2009 at 23:42
Mike Oldfield. Especially Tubular Bells.  I have 3 versions of it, don't like any of them.  Can anyone say Ebay?
 
Klaus Schulze.  I have most all of Tangerine Dream and about 10 of KS,  but there are too many times that he sets the sequencer, goes to lunch and comes back 30 minutes later.  I just don't get it.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2009 at 23:05
Originally posted by Clepsydra Clepsydra wrote:

ALL Prog Metal bands.
 
The Flower Kings
King Crimson
Gentle Giant
Beardfish
 


Have you tried Riverside? They stand out to me as the only good (well amazing actually Embarrassed ) PM group...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2009 at 22:17
ALL Prog Metal bands.
 
The Flower Kings
King Crimson
Gentle Giant
Beardfish
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2009 at 21:19
Originally posted by The Quiet One The Quiet One wrote:

Originally posted by Sangria Sangria wrote:

Originally posted by The Quiet One The Quiet One wrote:

Originally posted by Sangria Sangria wrote:

Originally posted by Rushman Rushman wrote:

Zappa...
 
...can never get past the lyrics, which seem silly and juvenile to me. That said, I've hardly heard all of his releases, only maybe 15 - 20%.
 
I agree, They are full of talented musicians that sing about stupid stuff that we laughed at when we were 7 years old. I could never understand the huge fanbase that Zappa generates.



Maybe the huge fanbase that he has generated is because he really was a genius, musically speaking. Come on people what albums have you listened by him to "testify" that? I mean, okay, if you heard a good bunch then fine, but if you haven't heard any of his classics it's pretty much absurd to say such things.
 
I have heard a great deal of Zappa, and everything I have heard had lyrics "I just can't get into". I agree, and stated, that they have great musicians, but please, before saying my opinion is absurd, allow me to listen to some of your suggestions that may sway my opinion of Zappa the other way. I'm always open.


I said it was absurd if you haven't any of his classics, but if you have then fine, personal taste. Please, I didn't mean to offend you.

Simply I find Zappa one of the most gifted guitarists I've ever heard, his note-selection in a lot of his solos ,clearest example should be Watermelon in Easter Hay, is simply amazing and beautiful at the same time.
Then as a composer/arranger in songs like Inca Roads, Zombie Woof, 50/50, Grand Wazoo, RDNZL, and much more, they're simply out of their time. 
Also his incredible flexibility to play from a whole bunch of other genres, and all of them being performed highly successful is another amusing thing that Zappa has.
And of course like you said, the musicians on board are no less than very talented players.
Oh and one more thing, his unique humor is really a bonus in a lot of his albums, specifically the masterpiece live album, Zappa in New York. However I understand some may not like it.
(could add a lot more, but what I said is pretty much sums it up)

Clear proof of all this mentioned should be the live album Roxy & Elsewhere, the already mentioned Zappa in NY, Hot Rats, The Grand Wazoo, Waka/Jawaka, Over-Nite Sensation, One Size Fits All, Studio Tan, Jazz From Hell, Joe's Garage, the live album Guitar and Make a Jazz Noise Here, and surely some more.


I probably missed something, but what I don't quite get, Sangria, is why everything you've heard has had lyrics you can't get into.  Zappa has plenty of instrumental music.  One of his biggest, that you must know, Hot Rats, has only one track with lyrics.  Live, his music was often more instrumental based.  Even if one doesn't like his lyrics, there's much music to like.  I'll heartily second BaldFriede's suggestion of Yellow Shark. 

This is one I really like (must admit that I haven't explored his music that deeply despite that hearing "Peaches en Regalia" on the radio many years ago caused such a stir in me):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoJLMUBSMkc





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2009 at 20:28
Alot of prog metal.I just find it so cheesy in it's attempt of being macho yet "melodic".

Other then that Magma but I havent tried to hard to be honest,There just hasn't been a album that's clicked so far.The same applies to Gentle Giant,VDGG and Marillion.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2009 at 20:21
RUSH!!!

Dream Theater!!!

Marilion (for the most part)

Most other (traditional) prog-metal...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2009 at 20:14
Originally posted by Sangria Sangria wrote:

Originally posted by The Quiet One The Quiet One wrote:

Originally posted by Sangria Sangria wrote:

Originally posted by Rushman Rushman wrote:

Zappa...
 
...can never get past the lyrics, which seem silly and juvenile to me. That said, I've hardly heard all of his releases, only maybe 15 - 20%.
 
I agree, They are full of talented musicians that sing about stupid stuff that we laughed at when we were 7 years old. I could never understand the huge fanbase that Zappa generates.



Maybe the huge fanbase that he has generated is because he really was a genius, musically speaking. Come on people what albums have you listened by him to "testify" that? I mean, okay, if you heard a good bunch then fine, but if you haven't heard any of his classics it's pretty much absurd to say such things.
 
I have heard a great deal of Zappa, and everything I have heard had lyrics "I just can't get into". I agree, and stated, that they have great musicians, but please, before saying my opinion is absurd, allow me to listen to some of your suggestions that may sway my opinion of Zappa the other way. I'm always open.


I said it was absurd if you haven't any of his classics, but if you have then fine, personal taste. Please, I didn't mean to offend you.

Simply I find Zappa one of the most gifted guitarists I've ever heard, his note-selection in a lot of his solos ,clearest example should be Watermelon in Easter Hay, is simply amazing and beautiful at the same time.
Then as a composer/arranger in songs like Inca Roads, Zombie Woof, 50/50, Grand Wazoo, RDNZL, and much more, they're simply out of their time. 
Also his incredible flexibility to play from a whole bunch of other genres, and all of them being performed highly successful is another amusing thing that Zappa has.
And of course like you said, the musicians on board are no less than very talented players.
Oh and one more thing, his unique humor is really a bonus in a lot of his albums, specifically the masterpiece live album, Zappa in New York. However I understand some may not like it.
(could add a lot more, but what I said is pretty much sums it up)

Clear proof of all this mentioned should be the live album Roxy & Elsewhere, the already mentioned Zappa in NY, Hot Rats, The Grand Wazoo, Waka/Jawaka, Over-Nite Sensation, One Size Fits All, Studio Tan, Jazz From Hell, Joe's Garage, the live album Guitar and Make a Jazz Noise Here, and surely some more.
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