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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Whatever, I'd like you to be aware of that payback time has come. Stern Smile

As nobody fogs with me!

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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

My typewritten rumblings are a double-slit experiment. Paul just happened to be a random observer and out popped a gibbertron, a particle I'm known to emit during certain hours of the day when the helix of the moon is eclipsed by steamed waffle bags. The more you observe my experiment, the more gibbertrons you're going to see. I would recommend observations in moderation. Like most subways, salt intake should be monitored.

Whatever, I'd like you to be aware of that payback time has come. Stern Smile
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

That reminds me of one of Prog Aardvark's enigmatic forum posts. Tongue

only one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????

My typewritten rumblings are a double-slit experiment. Paul just happened to be a random observer and out popped a gibbertron, a particle I'm known to emit during certain hours of the day when the helix of the moon is eclipsed by steamed waffle bags. The more you observe my experiment, the more gibbertrons you're going to see. I would recommend observations in moderation. Like most subways, salt intake should be monitored.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

That reminds me of one of Prog Aardvark's enigmatic forum posts. Tongue

only one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????????????????

DtR


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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

That reminds me of one of Prog Aardvark's enigmatic forum posts. Tongue

only one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????


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Originally posted by Jaketejas Jaketejas wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Jaketejas Jaketejas wrote:

If it were a rotary assembly, prog is music that does not having its axis placed centrally.


I'd like to get it explained further, Jake.


Have you ever eaten Cheerios in the morning and you run across the slightly burnt torus of toasted oats with added flavor? That's prog.

That reminds me of one of Prog Aardvark's enigmatic forum posts. Tongue
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Jaketejas Jaketejas wrote:

If it were a rotary assembly, prog is music that does not having its axis placed centrally.


I'd like to get it explained further, Jake.


Have you ever eaten Cheerios in the morning and you run across the slightly burnt torus of toasted oats with added flavor? That's prog.

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Originally posted by Jaketejas Jaketejas wrote:

If it were a rotary assembly, prog is music that does not having its axis placed centrally.

I'd like to get it explained further, Jake.
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If it were a rotary assembly, prog is music that does not have its axis placed centrally.

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That was wonderful. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[EDIT] For clarification, as someone has asked me privately, I am under the impression that the above was intended as satire, and not ridicule, or I would not think it were wonderful. As much as David and I may disagree on a lot, that doesn’t mean I think he should be ridiculed. So, if I am wrong, and the above was not meant as satire, then I will redact this post. I do not want to applaud anyone if they are ridiculing another. I realise there is a fine line between ridicule and satire, but one is meant with malice, and the other is not.



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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

I know I won't be satisfied with any definition if it doesn't contain the words "submanifold," "diplodocus," and "covariant" in it.

And the metrics of it are geodesic. I'm going to try and be more orthonormal and scalar. It's kind of a like a chocolate chip cookie that needs its antifreeze replaced.
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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

I know I won't be satisfied with any definition if it doesn't contain the words "submanifold," "diplodocus," and "covariant" in it.

The geology of yogurt might put my sounds in a tennis ball container (remember when they were made out of metal and you could build a guitar out of one? (endorsed by a frame bundle (a derivation of C)).
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I know I won't be satisfied with any definition if it doesn't contain the words "submanifold," "diplodocus," and "covariant" in it.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

But let my give you one example of what I mean which I remembered well, as I'm fond of Hybris:
Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Oh boy oh boy, how can a symph prog clone beat one of the most (if not the most) original and successful neo-prog bands?
I must be getting old...
written in the poll  "Modern Prog: First Album", 15 April 2022, page 12.

If anybody should be in doubt about which bands and albums suitkees refers to, they are

Anglargård's Hybris  vs  Marillion's Script for a Jester's Tear  

while more objectively speaking, one can consider Neo-Prog as Neo-Symphonic, and maybe analyse more thoroughly the artistic values of these two albums.


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But let my give you one example of what I mean which I remembered well, as I'm fond of Hybris:
Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Oh boy oh boy, how can a symph prog clone beat one of the most (if not the most) original and successful neo-prog bands?
I must be getting old...

written in the poll  "Modern Prog: First Album", 15 April 2022, page 12.


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Nick, as I have told you before, I neither read nor respond to your posts anymore.







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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

EDIT: Oh, good heavens... You're so almighty that you deleted your superior intelligent message. Now mine is wandering in the emptiness of my ignorance... and on this forum...

I deleted it at the time you wrote your reply, and posted a new one without knowing you did it. That was with the purpose, as you now can se, to write a better one. I wouldn't surely mind that you "delete" your reply and write also a new one, accomodated to my new one. 

While considering the way you have responded, I don't want to discuss it further.


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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Well, suitkees, as I see it,

Ah, and there is the problem. So, let me quote myself, as it is even more appropriate now, than it was before:
Originally posted by I I wrote:

 There is nothing in what you’ve quoted from Kees there that shows any influence of definition upon his appreciation. You do seem to understand things very differently from most people, and I think you infer from what they write your own understanding. There is nothing wrong with understanding things differently, but it is important to recognise that not everyone will think the way you do, so to frame their words by your own reference will often result in something quite different from what was actually said.

The only lack of understanding here, comes not from Kees (who appears to understand just fine), but from you. And this lack of understanding seems to come from having a very different understanding of how other people think, and being unaware that the way you think is very different from the way other people think.

Please stop trying to take the opinions of others and make them fit your way of thinking, because every time you do this, you misconstrue them. You’ve done it to Greg and Kees recently, and they are been extraordinarily gracious in the way they have taken it. One day you will do it to someone who doesn’t take it so well.

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Something of an aside, perhaps, because I have not understood your argument, David (haven't given it much thought either and only briefly skimmed the posts), but...

That I can think of now, where a label could effect my enjoyment would be because it influenced my expectations. This has happened and had more to do with problematic labeling where I came in expecting something different and had I come in with different expectations , then I might have appreciated it much for what is, than be disappointed about what it is not. If I already like something, then seeing how it is labeled by others should not affect my enjoyment. I love very diverse music anyway.

I have come to enjoy quite a lot of music because it ended up being deemed Prog at PA (or at least it was added to our categories) and that led to me discovering the music.

Labeling art I seem to find best for the utility when it comes to finding things that are likely to interest me. Of course labels are very useful -- such as on one's medication and other things.

And thanks Jaketejas, I enjoy reading your posts and found those in this thread interesting and enjoyable.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2022 at 07:15

Well, suitkees, as I see it, what I have quoted of you shows that you have a certain understanding/definition of "progressive rock"
which has a negative influence on your appreciation of music.
And if you're not aware of that, it's a lack in your understanding of your approach to music.





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