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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2006 at 01:14
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

 
 
I was thinking about those lables which release RIO and Avant music, like Cuneiform, Tzadik, Heaven records, ReR, Musea etc. Got any favourites? Anyone that you think highly of, or has the best artists?
 


I think my favourite would have to be Cuneiform, they have some of my favourite artist alongside the factor you can streams songs by most of the bands on their label.  I think is a great idea to push some of these great unknown artist to a wider audience. I know I have discovered many a great bands through this website.

I also like ReR, they have a very extensive catalogue from a lot of good artist... though most of the time I find them to be expensive for some of the hard to get items, which is understandable. But most of the time I will be able to order in from my local store for cheap, as they don't charge for postage.

For some reason Musea really annoys me. Every time I have been keen to get something for them they tell me they are out of stock or some other excuse. Hmmm... I might just get them at a bad time.

I have had little experience with Tzadik and have never heard of Heaven Records. So I think the winner is Cuneiform Big smile

I will give my feed back soon on the Ahvak Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2006 at 00:51
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Probably will be found through a private vendor on amazon or some other website like at Greg Walker's.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2006 at 00:49
I have Sotos' second album on order and that's on Cuneiform I believe.  I'll let you know what I think!  I wanted their debut, but it's harder to get hold of and isn't on Cuneiform, unfortunately.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2006 at 00:34
Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

 
BV, have you heard Ahvak, the Israeli band who released (with Kerman) a very good s/t album which I think can stand on its own without any inferiority complex next to other great albums in this field?


Hmmm... Just not long ago when I was flicking through all the artist on Cuneiform records, they were one of the bands who jumped out at me. For a period I had the song 'Vivisektia' on repeat... to say the least I was quite impressed. From what I have heard they seem to hold some of their Israeli roots, which I found quite refreshing. But they are definately a band I want to get acquainted with. They only have one album out don't they? At least this makes choosing which to get first quite easy LOL


 
Tell me what you think Wink
 
 
 
 
 
I was thinking about those lables which release RIO and Avant music, like Cuneiform, Tzadik, Heaven records, ReR, Musea etc. Got any favourites? Anyone that you think highly of, or has the best artists?
 
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2006 at 03:39
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

 
BV, have you heard Ahvak, the Israeli band who released (with Kerman) a very good s/t album which I think can stand on its own without any inferiority complex next to other great albums in this field?


Hmmm... Just not long ago when I was flicking through all the artist on Cuneiform records, they were one of the bands who jumped out at me. For a period I had the song 'Vivisektia' on repeat... to say the least I was quite impressed. From what I have heard they seem to hold some of their Israeli roots, which I found quite refreshing. But they are definately a band I want to get acquainted with. They only have one album out don't they? At least this makes choosing which to get first quite easy LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2006 at 02:04
Zypressen, eh? Noted.
 
BV, have you heard Ahvak, the Israeli band who released (with Kerman) a very good s/t album which I think can stand on its own without any inferiority complex next to other great albums in this field?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2006 at 16:12
Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

 
I also recently heard Zypressen for the first time, and I'd definitely recommend them. If Koenjihyakkei are the Japanese Magma, Zypressen are the Japanese Art Zoyd although they're somewhat warmer and less forbidding. Good compositions and outstanding arrangements.


I can second this recommendation they are a fanstastic band. Brought their s/t album a few months back and loved it, it is not surprising considering my love for Art Zoyd. I heard they have a second album out but I cannot find anything about it... anybody know anything about it?

Also I have heard them likend to the Chamber Rock group Lacrymosa, anybody heard of these guys? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2006 at 15:38
Originally posted by progreviews progreviews wrote:

Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

Today while on my plight for new music. I stumbled upon a band called AMYGDALA. Listened to a few samples off their lone album and found myself quite atuned to their sound. They posses a dark sound somewhat similar to Present. I was wondering what people knew about this band? All I know is they hail from Japan. Whether they are worth checking out?


This is an album that has gotten somewhat mixed reactions. I myself don't really like it that much - the ELPish keyboards sound kind of cheesy and the lack of a real drummer hurts too (the drums on this album are programmed throughout). For whatever reason the album annoys me more than anything else - maybe the compositions are a little disjointed as well. I don't really remember, haven't listened to it for a while.

For Japanese zeuhl you're better off with Koenihyakkei - even more crazily bombastic but a lot better executed IMHO.
 
The first time I heard Amygdala I was actually quite impressed - I had it on in the background and it sounded pretty good even if it was a virtual Magma clone. Close listening, especially on headphones, rather diminished my enthusiasm. All the instrumental parts, lead guitar and keyboards aside, are programmed, and although they've been programmed remarkably well the result is just a bit flat somehow - kind of McDonalds Zeuhl I suppose. I wouldn't call it annoying, but definitely non essential.
 
I also recently heard Zypressen for the first time, and I'd definitely recommend them. If Koenjihyakkei are the Japanese Magma, Zypressen are the Japanese Art Zoyd although they're somewhat warmer and less forbidding. Good compositions and outstanding arrangements.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2006 at 15:13
Just been having a listen to some Blast as you suggested. There were a few songs to listen to on Cuneiform Records. For me it sound a little like a modern day 'Henry Cow'... which cannot be a bad thing. They had a very interesting style. They have something like 5 albums ? Which would you suggest checking out?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2006 at 13:08
For Koenjihyakkei, my favorite is Angherr Shisspa, so combined with the fact that it's the only one readily available outside Japan, that one's probably the best starting point. Although II will reportedly be reissued by Skin Graft at some point, so it should be relatively easy to come by in the near future too!

Yeti's Things to Come... is awesome. A seriously dark and heavy slab of avant-rock with more than a bit of zeuhl influence. They also have a second full-length album, but I have not heard it and virtually no one I know has either.

I have three Tipographica albums and while I like them, I find them really hard to get into sometimes. Very dryly academic for the most part - sometimes I'm in the mood for that kind of thing, but when I'm not, their stuff just goes straight in one ear and out the other.

For big fans of Tipographica, a must-hear is Dutch band Blast.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2006 at 10:58
I have Tipographica's s/t album. In one minute of their music you get more than some other bands put in a song (a long song, mind you LOL).
Packed, diverse, eclectic, jumping around frantically, not staying in place etc.




It's good that this thread lives on. I will resurrect it if I see it going to oblivion.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2006 at 10:12
If we're talking about Japanese nuttiness then surely Typographica deserve a mention too? I have great difficulty describing them much beyond "kinda... modern... henry cow-ish... music... stuff?". Can anyone do them better justice?
 
Oh, and for more Japanese brilliance seek out the incomparable Wha-ha-ha. I'll be adding them to the archives at some point over the summer (when I get back from college and have the internet at home again).
 
Edit: I'm so happy this thread still has life in it. Just one year ago this would never have survived for more than three days on PA. How times change!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2006 at 18:45
Don't know them either... but they sound interesting enough from what I read; a cross between post-rock with Magma and Univers Zero. Could we really go wrong Wink

Anyway here is a more detailed review which goes over each song.

From Aural Innovations #12 (September 2000)

Yeti - "Things To Come..."

Based in Ft. Worth, Texas, Yeti was the product of a merger between two related bands: One was the original Yeti with Tommy Atkins on bass, Jon Teague on drums, and Eric Harris on guitar. A related band was Est Mort which also included Atkins and Teague along with keyboardist Doug Ferguson (Ohm, Muz, Tone Float, Vas Deferens Organization). Eventually Ferguson was brought into to complete the lineup that appears on this CD.

In the most simplistic of terms I'd describe Yeti as being like Magma and Univers Zero dosed up and sent into space. Right from the first track, "Two Finger", the music is dark and thundering with a heart thumping bass, wailing guitar, and enough classic synth sounds to satisfy the most nostalgic of progressive fans. But there's nothing retro about Yeti's music. The influences are really all over the place and the music is developed such that each of the CD's four tracks (9 - 16 minutes) is nothing less than edge-of-your-seat gripping.

"Interstellar Biplane" is an intensely frantic tune with all musicians ripping up their instruments amidst the most controlled of chaos. The Magma influences are strong here though the keyboards give the music a distinctly Yeti stamp. There are lots of tempo changes and each segment is well structured and thought out. Heavy and complex, though accessible, and certainly majestic in its execution.

"Go Like This" is jazzy at the beginning, but soon develops an avant classical symphonic feel. The atmosphere is eerie with the keyboards setting the mood and drumming up images of more horror movies than I could list. The intensity builds to mercury bursting levels, and though the band returns somewhat to the Magma sound on the previous tracks the freakout factor is hight and mighty.

"Est Mort" starts as a creepy funeral keyboard bit, but the full band quickly kicks in to create a darkly symphonic piece that's quite powerful and even has a theatrical feel. Ferguson pulls out all the stops with his arsenal of keyboards and seems to dominate much of the music, though the guitar and potent rhythm section are integral to the whole of the piece. In fact, Harris takes the spotlight at one point to kick out some trippy, slightly bluesy, psych licks which sound all the better accompanied by Ferguson's keyboards.

In summary, fans of all things Zeuhl, RIO á la Univers Zero, and the heavy complex intensity of King Crimson will drool over this disc. And like Ohm, the varied classic keyboard sounds alone are worth the price of admission. HIGHEST recommendation.


There was also a less detailed review from Ground and Sky reviews which praised this albun also.

With Koenjihyakkei I'm thinking of getting their lastest album Angherr Shisspa. Seems to get pretty good reviews, along side the fact it will be the easiest one for me to get my hands on.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2006 at 18:17
Koenjihyakkei are on my next purchase list. Only I can't decide which album to get first. I don't have any right now. I think I'll go chronologically.

I lookede at the PA page for Yeti.
Anyone here knows them (I don't)? Any comment on their albums and music style? Only one review here and it is rather concise.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2006 at 18:05
Thanks for that. The one review I did find of the album gave it something like 6/15 so I was beginning to get a little dubious. Wow I find it qutie amazing they even attempt that sort of music without a drumer, to me that is one of the key parts Zeuhl.

Just listened to Koenjihyakkei; the song streamed on the site. Love the the intensity that seems to come for Japanese music. It reminds me somewhat of the Keiji Hanio album I own Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2006 at 08:45
Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

Today while on my plight for new music. I stumbled upon a band called AMYGDALA. Listened to a few samples off their lone album and found myself quite atuned to their sound. They posses a dark sound somewhat similar to Present. I was wondering what people knew about this band? All I know is they hail from Japan. Whether they are worth checking out?


This is an album that has gotten somewhat mixed reactions. I myself don't really like it that much - the ELPish keyboards sound kind of cheesy and the lack of a real drummer hurts too (the drums on this album are programmed throughout). For whatever reason the album annoys me more than anything else - maybe the compositions are a little disjointed as well. I don't really remember, haven't listened to it for a while.

For Japanese zeuhl you're better off with Koenihyakkei - even more crazily bombastic but a lot better executed IMHO.
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^^^^^ ... one of their under rated albums in my opinion.

Today while on my plight for new music. I stumbled upon a band called AMYGDALA. Listened to a few samples off their lone album and found myself quite atuned to their sound. They posses a dark sound somewhat similar to Present. I was wondering what people knew about this band? All I know is they hail from Japan. Whether they are worth checking out?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2006 at 03:23
First review of mine of Art Zoyd: the debut (original recording not the re-recorded version of 81)
 
 

Art Zoyd – Le Jour Ou Brűleront Les Cités (76)

 

Little did Art Zoyd know that one day this album would become prophetic thirty years later. Hailing from, a small industrial (mining and steel) city in Northern France a stone’s throw from Belgium (Maubeuge is where one of my great-grandfather was born), no doubt these guys lived in those suburbs that they predicted one day from a revolt would burn. One of the most intriguing things is how these future musicians got into such an awesome and experimental avant-garde group as Art Zoyd. Apart from the fact that a lot of Northern France’s industrial cities were voting communist, one of the few positive things that communism ever brought was to make higher culture accessible to everyone including the poor (ESPECIALLY the poor), and this IMHO, might just be their (AZ) case. As was the case for Area, Henry Cow and other ultra avant-garde, Art Zoyd was resolutely left wing, much like all of the RIO-chart signatory groups (of which AZ were not original members but part of the second wave) and have a close link to Belgium’s Univers Zero, their career throughout.

 

I am writing the preface of this review under a hypothetical probability strictly knowing what the album has to offer in terms of story through the titles of their works (no lyrics since the music is totally instrumental except for wordless vocals), but there seems to be a solid thread or story, even pressing me to declare this album conceptual. The music, clearly inspired from Bartok, Stravinsky, and Henry Cow or Zappa’s “serious music” is screaming, yelling, howling its madness of the riots between Special Brigades and the activists wearing Masks into Masquerade (Simulacre is a sham or an pretentious enactment). This first side is simply stunning and the violence and tension ever present even if there is absolutely no rock element in their music (bar a short passage in Fourmis), but it fits their theme immaculately well.

 

The second side is an auto-criticism of those suburbs not yet in revolt: two tracks (the third one, Simulacre, still belonging to the first-side theme) depicting the never-ending suffering with an elusive hope of a brighter future (the revolt coming once this hope disappears). Fourmis (ants) is self-explanatory of their plight (with a passage compared to Canada Brass’ Flight Of The Bumblebee), while Carnival (a very important theme even in atheist circles) is one of those breaks were they are allowed to vent off their frustrations by deriding the ones dominating them. As you might expect, the music loses some of its solemnity in this last track to adopt a (relatively) more festive tone.

 

Clearly the works of violinist Gerard Hourbette, greatly helped by Zabotzieff (of Polish descent like many miners fleeing Poland’s misery in the late XIXth century) on bass and cello, the music is an impressive modern XXth classic, where my buddy JP Soarez soars on the woodwinds.

 

Dense, impenetrable or not easily accessible, this album (as most of AZ’s works) does not surrender easily to one’s taste buds.  As a matter of fact, this sometimes obtuse (because of its difficult nature) is not easily recommendable unless you are a confirmed fan of this RIO-Zeuhl music current. Hence the four star rating.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2006 at 17:54
Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

Well then, seems like I'll be getting Taboo and Exile then.
 
Anyone else knows his other numerous releases?
 
What are his first releases like? I'm refering to his albums between 1980 to 1985 (Pool, Archery, Locus Solus, The Classic Guide To Strategy, Volume One, Ganryu Island (with Michihiro Sato)).
 
Also, did anyone listen to his 2006 release Moonchild? I know MikeEnRegalia did and I remember him praising it.


In regards to Ganryu Island (with Michihiro Sato), just look above Wink I really like this album, though quite experiemental. Even though I have not heard Pool and Archery I know they are part of his collection of "games pieces". So I'm thinking they are going to have some of the same compositional values as Cobra.
 
Classic Guide To Strategy is Zorn solo on sax, clarinet and assorted duck calls. It's hard work, especially volumes 1 and 2 on a single disc - one for hardcore free jazz fans only I'd say. His improvisational work with Fred Frith sounds like Kenny G in comparison.
 
Like Brandon and others I'm more familiar with Naked City (the debut is a classic) and Masada. Electric Masada (from the 50th birthday series - Vol 6 I think) is one of the best jazz releases so far this millennium IMO.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2006 at 17:48
Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

Originally posted by eugene eugene wrote:

Bubu Anabellas sounds symphonic to me, with jazz-rock touches and RIO leanings. But I don't think Taal belong to RIO/avant category either. So it's just an opinion.
  
 
I struggle with the idea of Taal being avant-prog but Sympho and Prog Metal sure as 'ell don't want 'em so we've given them shelter in our quarters. Bubu, on the other hand, are far too dense, dark and angular to be symphonic, IMO.
 
Yeah, you're right. Bands like Taal and Bubu might be quite difficult to categorize, and it does not matter in the end. But in the same time I do not regard "symphonic" as something light, straight-forward and easy diggestable by many.
 
  
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