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Root_Pepper
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Posted: July 01 2006 at 20:42 | |
Great to read some info on Knead. Now if only I could get the samples
to work! Oh well, it's still a step closer in the right direction.
Thanks BV!
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Apsalar
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 06 2006 Location: gansu Status: Offline Points: 2888 |
Posted: July 01 2006 at 18:59 | |
@ Geck0: Have now had a descent listen to Taal - Mister Green. And I am enjoy this one more than Skymind. One of the things I was overall surprised about was how symphonic the feel of the album is, I'm even tempted to suggest them to one of the symphonic metal friends as it think they would enjoy it. Following that idea they do indeed have a heavier side to them which I think some people into the lighter side of metal might enjoy. I found it a somewhat varied album, I think there would be an enormous list if I were to try and describle all the influence I see in their music. Sometime this is a little bit of downfall, I'm wish some of the longer song were a little shorter as I find they tend to put some unnecessary passages in their music, seemingly for quanity over quality. I think with the song Coonibus they get achive a perfect balance, along with a few others which I cannot remember off the top of my head. My attention was not totally focused on lyrics/storyline, I did pick up that it was about Mister Green and the factor that there seemed to be a rather humorous side to the story during certain stages. Am I right in thinking this? In further listens it will be something I will take more of an active interest in.
Overall I though this was a really good album but I would not site it as a masterpiece just quiet yet. I think I will give it a lot more listens before I make statement of this proportion. I'm sure in time all those loose ends will start to come together, I'm assuming they all have purpose in someway to the storyline. Thanks for suggesting them they were well worth my time.
Also I read in another thread where you said something about them bring out another album soon. I would be quite interested in this, especially to see how the band has matured as a group over the years. Do you know any specifics about the album?
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avestin
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Posted: July 01 2006 at 12:53 | |
^^^
Thanks for the info on that site. I think it will be useful once I get to the USA. Knead sounds an interesting group to discover, I'll try to get my hands on it. |
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Apsalar
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 06 2006 Location: gansu Status: Offline Points: 2888 |
Posted: June 30 2006 at 22:40 | |
I have done a little bit of searching on Knead. And this is the best thing I have found so far. I will post more if I find it, as people seem to be interested in this project.
KNEAD s/t
Ruins + Keiji Haino = Knead! Yes, this new PSF group Knead (we're curious about how/why they picked that name, it's kind of odd isn't it?) is none other than a trio consisting of Keiji Haino, Tatsuya Yoshida, and Hisashi Sasaki. Haino of course is the guitar/vocal shaman of Fushistsusha and much solo fame, while Yoshida and Sasaki are the drummer and bassist of equally famous Tokyo duo Ruins! Indeed, Haino and Yoshida are both truly titans of the Tokyo underground rock scene. Haino is a pillar of dark, psychedelic phantasia, while Yoshida is more of a progressive rock stalwart. On paper, it might seem like the super hyper, stop start hardcore acrobatics of Ruins would be an ill match for Haino's freeform drone guitar freakouts. But fans familiar with the respective massive outputs of both, know there is in fact much common ground. That said, Yoshida and Sasaki pretty much let the 50 year old Haino take the lead in Knead, with bassist Sasaki accepting a supportive role more typical of his instrument (which is certainly not the case in Ruins), wisely deciding not to directly duel with Haino's apocalyptic guitar. But you still hear a lot of nimble playing from him, while partner Yoshida of course unleashes mighty drum salvos pretty much continuously. The eight tracks (75 minutes) of Nipponese noise rock nirvana found here are kind of like Fush*tsusha with a supercharged rhythm section. At the energetic peak that much of this attains, Haino torches the place as if his guitar was a flamethrower, while the Ruins duo busily thrash away. Upon a few other moments, they find calm, throwing in sections of atmospheric clatter and vocal babble. At the outset of track 5, Haino's primal, gutwrenching singing is joined by Yoshida's much less anguished, falsetto cries and bizzare vocal sound fx. (Although Yoshida's vocal model has always been Magma's Christian Vander, we noted while listening to this the similarity of Yoshida's warble to Robbie Basho's singing!) Soon, though, the vocal duet gives way to Knead's combined instrumental firepower.
Haino, even though he hardly needs anyone's help to generate entire universes of emotive psych-skree, has thrived in collaborative settings, having recorded with Boris, COA, High Rise, Musica Transonic, Shoji Hano, Peter Brotzmann, Masada's rhythm section, Bill Laswell & Rashied Ali, and others...much of it great stuff indeed. Whereas, the Ruins collaborative track record is not so good: generally fun but tossed-off improv sessions. Their jams with Derek Bailey, Guapo and Omoide Hatoba were pretty much ok, but we could've done without their meetings with Ron Anderson, Jason Willett, and the Sun City Girls. Knead, thankfully, is much better than these -- infinitely better than RonRuins! Haino and Yoshida of course have actually vibrated the cosmic ether, I mean played, together before. Haino guested on the first disc by Yoshida's Tairikuotoko vs. Sanmyakuonna band, and he also did an album with Musica Transonic (for whom Yoshida drums)...more recently there was an excellent Haino/Yoshida duo disc (and tour in China) called "When Water Grasps Flame". We sold out of that disc before we could even list it, but hope to get more of 'em in soon! Recommended, especially to Haino fans. After all, Fush*tsusha's last record, the shockingly guitar-less "Origin's Hesitation", really was pretty great -- but even those of us that loved it can't help but yearn for more of Haino's intense wall of sound guitar playing. And for that, Knead will more than meet your needs!! Taken from: http://www.aquariusrecords.org/cat/k8.html Just for future notice this is a fantastic rescoure for hard to find music. The section on Knead is a little over halfway down and you will be able to listen to 3 samples from their self titled album. All I am going to say is this is very intense stuff, I will let you listen for yourself. Also I hope nobody gets turned off by vocals |
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Apsalar
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 06 2006 Location: gansu Status: Offline Points: 2888 |
Posted: June 30 2006 at 22:34 | |
I don't know how I over looked Zoot Horn Rollo. Just had a look at some of my Beefheart CD's and there he was: Glass Finger Guitar, flute. Funny how you can miss little things like this.
Thanks for the information on the other two, they both sound worth my while. Especially Otomo Yoshihide, I have heard Bill Laswell has been on a lot of records. The only I have experienced is from the John Zorn and Massacre.
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Root_Pepper
Forum Groupie Joined: June 26 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 54 |
Posted: June 30 2006 at 17:09 | |
I also have my hands on that OOIOO album you're speaking of Black
Velvet, it's very entertaining. Plus, I too am interested in that Knead
album - I hope to find a copy or hear some samples of it soon.
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Root_Pepper
Forum Groupie Joined: June 26 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 54 |
Posted: June 30 2006 at 17:06 | |
Noxagt is just basically an over bearing storm of drums, distorted bass, and violin. It's more percussive than musical. I believe they're from Sweden? They have two albums out, I own "The Iron Point" - their latest. Otomo Yoshihide has done a lot of different things, he's a japanese musician and he plays multiple instruments. However I own a recording of his from Tzadik records that features Yoshida Tatsuya on drums and Bill Laswell on bass that is really phenomenal. It kind of drudges around in an almost dub-wise fashion and breaks open to fascinating feedback and oceanic sounds. It's kind of like a more structured, melodic, and listenable version of Haino Keiji's power trio oriented playing. Lot less noise oriented. Zoot Horn Rollo was the guitar player in Captain Beefheart's magic band for such classics as "Trout Mask Replica". He since recorded this stunning avant-jazz/RIO theory dense album entitled "We Saw a Bozo Under the Sea". It's not avant in the squeaky squak sense, it's more RIO art-rock styled, and maintains a very listenable album approach, while at the same time being very complex. Kind of like music for theory musicians. He whips out every type of theory imaginable. The second track "Relocating Dirt - Life's Work" is the best way to hear out what this album is about. |
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Apsalar
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 06 2006 Location: gansu Status: Offline Points: 2888 |
Posted: June 30 2006 at 16:14 | |
I'm just getting it down now. Listening to the first track at the moment, seems to have potential. What albums have they brought out. I like the vocals, so that is a good start.
Oh I was messing around the other day at work and stumble upon this site
Ths is the little caption under the website link in google read like this.
"A very dancy kind of gipsy-progressive-ska band playing free happy music"
You can have a listen to some three of their songs. But I'm warning you the navigation of the page is terrible, not to mention the state of my Swedish.
Also note this band has nothing to do with the group Robert Plant and John Bonham were a part of.
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avestin
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Posted: June 30 2006 at 15:40 | |
Sure, no problem:
www.myspace.com/daaudieanarchistischeabendunterhaltung Do check the Hot Fur songs on that Demo. |
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Apsalar
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Posted: June 30 2006 at 15:29 | |
Thanks for that I will be check some of those out soon. I have been meaning to check out Hot Fur for a long time now. Had been hearing good things about them, but never got around to it.
Also sorry to be annoying but would you be able to put that myspace link in the format of www.myspace.com/(insertsomethinghere) I'm sitting behind a firewall and for some reason they block the page when it is in the other format.
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avestin
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Posted: June 30 2006 at 15:16 | |
Back now,
So from that list: Hot Fur - an Israeli RIO band. There are samples here from their Demo: http://planet.nana.co.il/emixer/ParvaTracks.htm It's in Hebrew so just click on the words near the numbers -those are MP3 files. Rosa Ensemble is nice, not RIO or Avant, but close in nature. Check their homepages for songs available: http://www.rosaensemble.nl/ Diamanda Galas is really hard to define. I suggest you check her hoepage. She is somewhat of an avantgarde artist. She puts on a complete show that needs to be seen as well as heard. A very political artist and her albums vary a lot from one to the other. She has tto be listened to before you decide to buy some. http://www.diamandagalas.com/ THe others I guess you know already. But you can also try Ensemble Ambrosius (http://www.ensembleambrosius.com/index.html) and Eskimo (http://www.dropsy.net/eskimo/index.htm) which are not bad. Oh and try those DAAU links: http://www.daau.com/ http://houbi.com/belpop/groups/anarchistische.htm http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=55858227 There are sample there. Edited by avestin - June 30 2006 at 15:18 |
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avestin
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Posted: June 30 2006 at 15:00 | |
^^^
I'll get back o you on that, must go now, SORRY! |
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Apsalar
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Posted: June 30 2006 at 14:57 | |
Just from looking at that I might have to put Smegma on for a spin sometime this weekend, it has been a long time since I have listened to them. I would definately agree My Skinny Wonderland is possessing some prog influences, but as we have seem not enough to get them in the RIO catagory. And 48 Cameras, I really thought them more as a Gothic band, but that is just my opinion. Some interesting tracks in there though, I sent my friend Bloodsucker from the album... and amazingly she quite liked it
Unforunately have not heard Die Anarchistische Abendunterhaltung, along with a lot of the other band on the list. Are there any you would recommend checking out from the list, other than the obviously ones?
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avestin
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Posted: June 30 2006 at 14:36 | |
Yes it is that Smegma. Insane band. I have that one ans also Schrammel Oi!
My Skinny Wonderland is borderline but I thuoght it should at least be in as Prog-related. 48 Cameras I voted against because I did not hear anything in them that made me think they should have a spot in the category (I did like it though). I hope to add Boredoms and Stormy Six soon. By the way, I am now listening to another band on the list called Die Anarchistische Abendunterhaltung (DAAU). I am not really sure about them. There is a violin, clarinet, what sounds like an accordion and this seems to be chamber music that is very nice and catchy, with no real "symptoms" of the RIO/AVant genres. I am now listening to 3 albums of theirs: Richard Of York Gave Battle In Vain Life Transmission Magisches theater eintritt etc They are not all three alike, so this description refers to : Magisches theater eintritt nicht fur jedermann nur fur verruckte eintritt kostet den verstand EDIT: Here are some links: http://www.daau.com/ http://houbi.com/belpop/groups/anarchistische.htm http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=55858227 Edited by avestin - June 30 2006 at 14:58 |
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Apsalar
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Posted: June 30 2006 at 14:25 | |
Just one little question. I was having a look at some of the artist already passed. And I was wondering whether the band "Smegma" is this the band I am thinking about? I have one album by them called "Glamour Girl 1941" which came out in '79. They have a very free Jazz sound to them. Is this the same band?
Also good choices with the voting on My Skinny Wonderland and 48 Cameras You know funnily enough at my store they get put in the Gothic/Industrial section, which I don't find that inappropriate. Edited by Black Velvet - June 30 2006 at 14:30 |
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avestin
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Posted: June 30 2006 at 10:48 | |
You can see the RIO/Avant chart (as well as the prog metal and post rock ones) here:
http://www.ratingfreak.com/go/mer/s,showPageWithLanguage,9_q1klWYtB,cxW0_xC1mxqZ6JrYc_a2_NrLkJr0bpWZoFG086WYmRH,4Fa0jtW3hxW2nB,8xa0nVX0_JH,nB,_tG.xhtml Choose the genre at the bar in the top. |
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Apsalar
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Posted: June 30 2006 at 07:51 | |
The Boredoms to be added you have just made my day.
Well I'm only up to track 5 at the moment so will not be able to give a too detailed description. But for a first opinion, it has a very spacy sound and atomsphere... with less intensity than The Boredoms, none of those crazy vocals they are famous for (but that could change in a matter of seconds). So far they are sounding really good. Funnily enough my friend brought this CD as well yesterday (along with another bunch of goodies..). We are just extremely lucky to have some really good CD stores over here!
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avestin
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Posted: June 30 2006 at 07:42 | |
^^^^
Boredons are to be added to PA, so this night also be a potential addition. Tell us what it is like. |
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Apsalar
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Posted: June 30 2006 at 07:38 | |
Yes this is the same Boris you are thinking of. I'm very interesting in this album considering the totally different sounds Boris and Haino have, so I'm wondering what they have come up with here. Unforunately the only Boris I own is Amplifier Worship as well, but my local store seems to stock them in quite regularly so it should not be a worry finding there stuff.
Just been down that the shops then and picked up OOIOO - Gold and Green. The little sticker on the from states the following:
"Japanese sonic eruption featuring Yoshimi of The Boredoms, with specials guests from The Boredems, Cibo Matto and Sean Lennon."
Sounded interesting so I thought I would make the purchase.
Also as a side note ended up buying "Bell Orchestre"l.
Both had some outstanding artwork!
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avestin
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Posted: June 30 2006 at 05:18 | |
I will HOPEFULLY get some of these albums you mentioned soon and so I will be able to tell you what they are like (and you probably could enjoy them too...)
I have this: Boris - Amplifier Worship. Is this the same Boris you talk about? |
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