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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 18:56
Ah, that is good news!  I hope your store has some of his work.

The program I saw was talking about:
  • La Pasión según San Marcos The Passion according to St. Mark (Hänssler Classic 98404)
That maybe a good place to begin.

Having said that, it looks like he's been working with a 'cellist and as I'm rather partial to 'cellis, then I think his compositions involving them maybe more to my personal tastes.

This also looks interesting: Klezmer Concertos and Encores composition Rocketekya on recording of klezmer music (Naxos B0000C508L)

And of course, his work with the Kronos Quartet may also be of interest.

Let me know if you succeed in purchasing anything of his.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 18:48
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Adam, don't forget to check out Golijov!  I am intrigued to know what your thoughts are about him.  Assaf, I also recommend you to try and listen to him as well.The more listeners he gets, the better conclusions people can come to.


I have been doing a little bit of searching on Golijov at the moment. Have found wealths of information, I don't even know where to begin with his works. Firstly I found four sample tracks from one of his string quartet's. This was interesting, more forumalated in tradional classic, while at the same time possessing a very dark and sinister tone to the music. I don't think I can comment properly on those as they were only thirty second samples, which is not indicative of the direction each piece is following.

Further searching lead me to this:

Golijov

This I was very impressed with, still not a long piece but gives further note the musical direction he focuses on. Please everybody check this out, I think this has a lot of potential. I will have to check out what our store has of his works.

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I am so overwhelmed with this thread, it's going to keep my busy for a while!


I think this goes without saying to each of us participating in this thread. I know my knowledge has been expend ten fold since the initiation if this thread.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 18:36
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

Just a short note, BV, I am currently listening to OOIOO and I must say I was expecting something else. I thuoght this would be more Boredoms like, but this actually very accessible and nice. Not too "strange" or "out there". Nice and original music, rich in sound. I'll keep on listening.


Yes I too was not really knowing what to expect from OOIOO but I definately have been pleasently surprised. I really like their style of music and it does have that inheritant laid back effect that I am finding quite adictive. So I am happy you are enjoying this album.

Now having heard three Boredoms albums (Vision Acreation Newsun has been added to the collection), I have been surprised each and very time by the different styles the band has developed on each record, so I'm not really sure what to expect from this band anymore . I still need to list to this new album more, but its extremely Psychedelic in nature and at times reminds of a less noisy Acid Mothers Temple.

p.s I will read the review, Assaf, while I am at work today and tell you what I think.
    
    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 11:20
Adam, don't forget to check out Golijov!  I am intrigued to know what your thoughts are about him.  Assaf, I also recommend you to try and listen to him as well.

The more listeners he gets, the better conclusions people can come to.

I am so overwhelmed with this thread, it's going to keep my busy for a while!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 10:31
Just a short note, BV, I am currently listening to OOIOO and I must say I was expecting something else. I thuoght this would be more Boredoms like, but this actually very accessible and nice. Not too "strange" or "out there". Nice and original music, rich in sound. I'll keep on listening.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 09:47
Hey RP and BV,
I wasn't aware that Glass performed live, sounds exciting.

I will take your advice, Adam, and take it more slowly and gradually. I'll listen to one composer at a time until I feel I am acquainted enough with him and appreciate his music and I can move on.
I'll start with Branca, I think. I hope these two pieces by him I have are more representative of him, as I am new to his music.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 09:05
I cannot admit I am farmilar with Glenn Branca's works. Even though I knew I had not heard any albums there was something about the name which kept calling home. Later on this afternoon I was looking through some of the youtube pages I bookmarked on my computer and surprisingly enough who did I find - Branca. I think this might be a little different style to Symphonies 1 and 6. I don't know if he is know for this style of provocative performances, but this definately intreged my interests. Well enough talk to building up suspense hear is the link.

Glenn Branca solo

I think it would be best not to rush into a genre like this. For me it was something I gradually eased myself into. But this is one of the reasons I found RIO/avant prog quite an easy musical, which most people find so inaccessable. Assaf you seem to have your hand fully already with the material you have rescently discovered. This is music that takes time to appreciate and I think that is something I love so much about the genre. I sometimes find it a great test to so how much my music tastes have grow and when you finally crack one of those albums there is such a sense of achivement.

I will have to look into some of Gosfield's music.

RP, that would have been an amazing concert, I really am jealous you have seem such a show (we get very few respected artirst making the trip to where I live). Glass provokes so many emotions in me, and to see something like this in concert would have been near overwhelming. I love how minimalist artist show that musical integrity and dexterity does not souly come from extreme technicalities of the compositon.

Also on Assaf's little off topic discussion. I too am very thankful for this thread. There are not many places I can turn to and discuss this form of music. Also probably the fact I have a smaller interest in most of the bigger prog bands discussed on this site, this is not to say I'm discrediting other peoples musical tastes. Hmmm... I think I will leave all the prog metal discussions to other people, as truely most of the metal I enjoy comes from far different ideals than those portrayed in Progressive metal.

Also Assaf I will have a look at your review tomorrow when I get up... I'm rather tried at the moment and don't think I would take everything in properly.
    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 08:41
Hi Sigod.
 
We'd love to hear your impressions and likes of the 20th century composers (look in the previous page for some of our discussion on this subject so far).
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 08:34
Clap - Spot on sir.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 07:10
If you're interested in Philip Glass, one of my favorite recordings from him is Koyaanisqatsqi (which I hope I'm spelling right). He's a fascinating, mathematical type of modern composer who really just repeats a beautiful phrase over and over. But that's what I love about him. I saw him live and it was fascinating, to see something repeated so mechanically yet to be so human.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2006 at 01:15

A nice link there, thanks Adam.

Off point there for a minute, I am really glad TP has started this thread and that we are here discussing great and new music. I'm also happy to have found nice and friendly people with the curiosuty to find more music and the capability to analyze what they listen to and have the necessary knowledge to share with the others.

I especially am happy that this thread is an alternative to the other threads here - non musical ones and musical ones like the prog metal debat going on which is interesting but I don't like participating in. I prefer spend my energies discussing music I know and finding more about music I haven't heard yet.

Now, as for the 20th century music, I think I will focus on those I have currently. What does everyone think of Branca? I heard many praises for his style and music, but I haven't had proper time to sit and listen to it as I should.

I am also intrigued by Gosfield's music, and I think I will try to get the full album - Flying Sparks And Heavy Machinery. Those 3 tracks I have grown on me since the first time I heard them and at which point I thought it was something very experimental and without much sense to it, but I repent now...

 
Good day everyone.
 
 
EDIT: Forgot to mention, I finally reviewed John Zorn's Spillane. Here it is:
I might edit it sometime soon, cause there is something more I wish to add to it.
 
 
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2006 at 15:46
Ah I have finally found it.

http://www.epitonic.com/index.jsp?refer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.epitonic.com%2Fartists%2Fhenrycowell.html

Just click on the 20th Century section when you get there.

The site is looking very different to the days when I first visited. But this is a good resource for somebody want to start their journey into 20th Century classical. This is pretty much how I introduced myself, so it has been a success story upon my behalf. You are album to listen to a few songs by numerous artist.

If you don't know where to start give me a shout and I will write some names down off the list which interest me. I'm not sure whether you want to do the discovering yourself, I usually find that sort of thing quite satisfying. Anyway you will be able to get farmilar with a few songs of Stockhausen.

Thanks for those links and the compilments Assaf I will have a read of them soon when I have some more time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2006 at 13:56
Ok, friends, like I said here is what I have from the modern composers. First I must say I am new to these and still do not know this very well (except Martland which I keep on listening to). So I won't go into in depth description like Adam, since he, unlike me, knows whaty he's talking about.
What I have so far (I will be getting more soon):
Philip Glass - Kundun. So far, I like this. Slightly creepy music, not too much happening, but it is beautiful and passionate. I thought it would sound differently, though.
Annie Gosfield - Flying Sparks And Heavy Machinery. Have only three tracks from here. Weird, industrial like in spirit, perhapse more of urban music or noise. I like her style.
Glenn Branca - Symphonies no 1 & 6. No comment yet, sorry.
Louis Andriessen - M Is For Man, Music, Mozart, De Stijl .  Somewhat similar to Martland, but a bit more pompous in sound (in a good way). Need more time, sorry.
Steve Reich - Early Works. No comment yet, sorry.
I also have several works by Schoenberg, Stravinsky, Rimsky-Korsakov, Saint Saens and others which I love very much.

Sorry, it's all I have tmime for right now. Apologies for this very short post.
Have a good day/night all. Smile



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2006 at 12:04
Thank you both, that has given me a lot to look forward too!

Ah, well I'm glad you didn't dislike Camille, I wasn't sure what you'd think of her.  She seems rather unique in her own right and she also writes her own lyrics too.  Certainly a talent in her own right.

Golijov from what I can remember, did sound very appealing to my ears.  I rather like klezmer and 'cellos too, so I hope his music has a lot of this.

Let me know when you know more, what you think of Golijov.  I hope you enjoy him.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2006 at 08:43
Not much time today, friends, so I'll just post this.
Adam, you have obviously much more knowledge in this 20th century music than me, but I promise I'll give my list of what I have later this week (sorry, but much to do in these last days in this country). Thanks for your elaborate reply from which I have again received leads on future music to look out for.
As for the other composer related to Martland, he is a Dutch composer called Loius Andriessen.
Anyway, I think Wikipedia has a nice article on 20th century composers (and many other related articles as well) here:
 
and a list of composers here:
 
and another - Minimalism:
 
Atonality:
 
 
I know, one has to take into account the possible mistakes in Wikipedia articles, but I think you can benefit from these articles in that you can get acquainted with the musical scene which we are discussing here.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2006 at 07:55
Haha.. I don't think I am going to shoot the messager. I didn't think her material is bad, though I don't think it would be something that I would listen to regularly. It find I quite rare when I find myself looking to listen to something of this nature, though that does not mean I do not enjoy it. Hmmm... not sure if that made any sense, but that is the only way I could explain my feelings about her music.

One thing that did please me greatly was the beautiful French accent of her voice. I love the sound of the French accent especially sung, so that was a postive. Also I liked the "Ta Douleur" film clip, quite original. Much better than all the Americanised music industry is bring out at this point in time.

I think you hit the nail on the head when you stated she is not Avant-garde. Though it does have its quirky moments and sometimes interesting vocal technics, which definately set her apart for most singer who do similar music.

I have not heard any Golijov yet but I looked that the two sites you suggested and his music does indeed sound quite interesting. Well at least to my tastes. This section from Wikipedia really got me thinking.

"Instrumental forces are very unconventional - do not expect a normal late twentieth century symphony orchestra. Instead you get sampled sounds via a laptop computer, classical guitars and an accordian, subtle amplification, all alongside more conventional forces. The styles of singing (sometimes amplified) are also somewhat unusual (sample the St Mark Passion for a wide spectrum of styles ranging from classical soprano to the chanting of the Amazonian jungle)."

Sounds like something that would interest me greatly.

Also I noticed he has done some work with Kronos Quartet. I have not heard much of their stuff but I really enjoyed the work they did no the flim "Requiem for a Dream".

As for the classical composers: those which are down on your list are good places to start, even though I have not heard any compositions by Reich or Bartok... shame on me.

With Stockhausen and Stravinsky you are definately heading in the right direction.

I was introduced into Stravinsky's work via his piece "Fire Bird" which I still have great respect for. I went on the check a lot more of the his works out. But I suggest you start with "The Rite of Spring". This CD shows everything about his style and is truly an amazing piece of modern music. If you are interested in the dark side of RIO this is definately a composer you cannot go past. You will be amazed by the huge influence Stravinsky has been on this part of the prog world.

Sotckhausen's work I find a lot hard to get into, being a lot more experiment. He was one of the big name during the experimental '50s scene alongside other artist such as Cage and Boulez. Unforunately I only have one album "Kontakte" which I find to be a very rewarding listening experience, but really is not for everybody... I would try and listen to some sound samples before diving headlong into his works. But if you are interested in the evolution of experimental and avant-garde music he is definately somebody of note.

I would just like to suggest a few more composer to listen to which I think could be worth your time. One of my favrouite composers at the moment is Philip Glass. I own three albums, which are all worthy of noting down. His style is very minimalistic, which is something that suits my personal down to the bone.

My favourite piece by him at the moment is "Music With Changing Parts" which is fantastic. But a warning this piece is very repeative, but surprisingly very easy to get into. So if you don't like repeadative music steer clear of this. Another warning if you are somebody with an obessive personanlity like me, you could become quite adicted to this CD.

The other album which I am fully farmilar with is "Solo Piano" which is very minimalistic piano performance. Nothing really to do with progressive music, just a beautiful display of emotions in the simplest form of music.

The other album I have is " Koyaanisqatsi" which is a sound track to a movie, I have only rescently come to own this album and still have not listen to it fully enough to form a solid opinion. Though this album generally gets rated quite high on most music sites.

Another one I would like to add would be the Italian composer Gyorgy Ligeti. The first time I heard the band Shub Niggurath, I found so many things in common between these two artist. He makes some very dark music which I can highly recommend. I don't actually have full album by this artist but have many song spanning over his entire career. My favourite out of these pieces would be the terrifingly dark song "Requiem" which I recommend anybody into the dark side of Zeuhl.

Well this is the for the last recommendation, Assaf has already suggested this band to other people on this site and this is rightfully so. The artist is Steve Martland, he is a fantastic demonstration of the close ties between 20th Century classic and RIO. There was also another composer he has just sent which I cannot remember the name of but these two composers have a lot in common.

Well I think I have gone on far to long. So that will be enough for now and should give you plenty of new artist to listen to.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2006 at 02:44
I'm not, no, but I want to investigate some of them.

I actually like some Gershwin, like "Rhapsody in Blue" but that obviously isn't proggy.

I want to investigate the following:

Reich
Stockhausen
Stravinsky
Bartók

And others I probably don't know about.  I'm always willing to learn more about classic composers with a progressive ideals.  So do let me know the best places to start.

Yes, the first track by Primordial Undermind wasn't that great vocally and they disappointed me.  The second track excited me moreso, so like you, I'd be interested to hear what the rest of their output sounds like.  Also, like yourself, I am bemused about how they are a similar artist to Sotos!  Completely different bands.

Yes, Camille's sight does take a while to load.  I feel you'll be disappointed anyhow, so don't go blaming me if I've made a bad judgement here!

Don't shoot the messenger!

Yes, I heard some Golijov and it sounded pretty good.  Not sure how proggy it is, as I've not heard it in its entirety, but even if it's less proggy, he still seems to be making great music.

I will be pleased to hear your views on all of the above.

EDIT:- here are a few links for Osvaldo Golijov:

http://www.osvaldogolijov.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osvaldo_Golijov


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2006 at 02:16
I will take the initiative to guess you are asking me

Primordial Undermind: Hmmm... I'm not to sure about this band. Starting with the first track to me sounded very much like post-rock with average vocals accompanying the music. The song was not overly bad just nothing special either.

The second song, I was cringing at the intro, but then once getting into the more experimental sections my spirits lifted. I'm really having troubles seeing the connects between sotos and these guys which lastfm have stated, I think you would agree with me on that point. It would be interesting to see what a whole album sounded like, to see what sort of direction they decide to take. The more experimental or post-rock approach.

I will check out Camille soon, my internet is running very slow at the moment so those sample videos on her site are taking ages to load, actually the whole site is taking a long time to load. So I will have to get back to you on what I think of her.

Have not heard of Oswaldo Golijov, sounds quite interesting, I will do a bit of searching sometime later today when I have some more time. Are you into any of the other more proggy classical composers? I guess focusing on the 20th Century ones in this question.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 03 2006 at 22:24
Aaron, I'm not sure what she's like, except for a live track she performed on television, but try Camille.  She was a singer with Nouvelle Vague.  She's not into Nouvelle Vague's sound and was only brought in as a vocalist, so don't worry about her sounding like them.

She has two albums out and they seem to be categorised as Avant-Garde, so I thought I'd get your opinion.  One track she does she was using voice techniques and it was quite fun.  Her partner was hammering on her back and stuff, so she's experimental at least.

The descriptions of her, of course, may just be misinformed, so that is why I'm sticking my neck out with recommending her.

Her website is here: http://www.camille-lefil.com/

Her two albums:

"Le sac des filles" - 2002
"Le Fil" - 2005

Actually come to think of it... I don't think she'll be your thing and I don't think she's that avant-garde.  Oh well!

I shall post this anyhow.

Oh and how did you get on with "Primordial Undermind" on last.fm?

Oh and I saw a program (well, a part of a program about other things, but this was a feature) about the composer Oswaldo Golijov.  I thought you might be interested in him, as some of his pieces sounded rather proggy to my ears.

He is an Argentinian Jew, so his work incorporates elements of klezmer too.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 03 2006 at 18:56
No worries, that information is quite helpful. Also thank you in advance for those names.

Well I finally got around to checking out those bands websites and sound sample to suggested a few pages back. Some were really good anothers just ok.

I guess we will start with Rosa Ensemble. They nearly had a very short listening. For first excert I listened to was Califormica III and I though it was terrible. I could not see myself listening to something like that for an extended period of time, I cannot really explain it but they were the first emotions I felt while listening to the song. I so thought to myself, we will give these guys a little more a of chance and decided to try a different album. This time there gold was struck. I would not go out of my way to say I love them, but that have a very nice sound, quite dark and chamber like. Do many of there song have sing in them as I feel it really does wreck the song of the songs?

D.A.A.U have turned out the be a very interesting band. They seem to have a vast variety of sounds and influences. I don't know if it just those songs on their site, but everytime I think I know what direction the band is taking, just starting to get comfortable with the style they are playing. You get hit with something totally different. To say the less this band has surprised me. And would definately like to listen to more of this band. I'm not quite sure whether this jumping around would keep surprising for the whole album or would give it to much of a disjointed feel. So I'm not to sure I completely sold on this band as of yet.

Diamanda Galas, wow that was quite impressive. A female vocalist of that quality is always going to do strange things to me . Listened to all the samples off Defixiones, Will and Testament. I find this very powerful music, she is able to dictate the mood of the song so gracefully. I find she is very good a portarying the theme behind the songs by giving each note different tonal and emotional values extremely well. I can definately see how a lot of people could be detered by vocals like this, but they are something I adore.     
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