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hahhaha....  oh great... do I have to hijack this thread with my man-love for Keith Moon as well 
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I now own all the albums and The Tain. Big smile
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Points: 46833 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2009 at 15:21
the problem Mike is the usual problem.... there is no point being made.

there never is...  another case of ... I don't like it.. .or doesn't sound like a w**k-fest.  Thus isn't prog.


as you said... prog fans are far from being as open-minded as they should be.  Worthy of the open-minded music that is what prog is ALL about.  Oh well...as I told the troll in the other thread.

if someone doesn't want to open their ears and turn them off when they first hear Meloy's voice...  it is their loss.. not mine..yours... or the forums.
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Points: 5195 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2009 at 15:16
^ I'm just saying ... knowing which albums someone listened to would be a huge asset in understanding their point. Of course it's unlikely to happen ... Wink
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hahahha... that would be the day.  The day discussion here is limited to what you know...and have truly listened to LOL
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In threads like those you sometimes wish that people would - along with their post - list which albums they listened to.Wink
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Not really prog, but really good!
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tasteful musicianship that is what is about... a lesson some bands could sure learn from. 

In that this group has been a revelation to me...  as I have posted much. I have NEVER been a lyrics person... I made of passion of Italian prog not giving two sh*ts as to what they are singing about... and knowing later what the lyrics ARE about... realizing that like much of prog... I wasn't missing a damn thing.

However with The Decemberists ... I took to this band so passionately because they didn't make up for lack of musical chops and concentrate on pure songwriting... like many so called pop artists do.  Or cover their song writing inadequencies under layers of technical music.  In a way... it is the perfect meeting of incredible songwriting, lyrics, and great... tasteful musicianship.


Take for what it's worth... from the guy listening to his 3rd Decemberists album of the day... wearing a HoL t-shirt hahah
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As if the theatrics have never been part of prog since its inception... And don't get me starting about the 'jaw-dropping or groundbreaking musicians'... If those were the criteria for being called a prog band, we should scrap half of our entries (to be optimistic), especially as regards the 'ground-breaking' part. Technical proficiency sure is not enough when all you're doing is imitating other bands... Anyway, having seen The Decemberists live less than one week ago, I can tell you they definitely know what they are about in the chops department. They just choose not to show it off.
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Points: 3449 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2009 at 14:03
Originally posted by crimson87 crimson87 wrote:

Their main features are the lyrics and theatrics , and I normally don't pay much attention to them.

I'm assuming you never saw Emerson sitting at the spinning piano, which was of course pure theatrics.
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Points: 6467 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2009 at 13:35
There are a lot of bands listed on this site that I don't consider really prog, but then there is no clear definition of the term, and there are a lot of categories that are related.  A band doesn't have to be Prog to be good.
 
I have but one Decemberists album - The Crane Wife.  I enjoy it a lot.  While not all the songs are Prog, some clearly are - Crane Wife as a suite, and The Island.  But even our beloved (or not) classic bands, such as Yes and Tull and ELP and King Crimson, didn't always do proggy songs on their albums, and no one would contest their place in our hallowed halls.
 
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Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Perhaps someone here should post a video of The Who's "Won't Get Fooled Again"WinkLOL...

No lie.......I was thinking of doing this since the beginning of the thread!Embarrassed
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^ well, what have you heard? It depends a lot on which album you listened to, since many bands change their style from album to album.
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i haven't heard much from them but from what i've heard they are not prog.If they are prog then so is Arcade Fire but i'd say they both fall into the indie/folk category.
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I don't know. I started listening to them because "The Hazards of Love" was edited in Argentina. They aren't bad , but there was so much hype about them that I thought they would be the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Of course it's not like that. They are a cute artsy indie-like band that can write catchy melodies. I can see them having high rotation in hip radio stations or alternative music shows.
Their main features are the lyrics and theatrics , and I normally don't pay much attention to them. I prefer the chops above everyrthing. In the end , I can give their records a few listens but their aren't groundbreaking or jaw dropping musicians.
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Points: 5195 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2009 at 10:52
I don't believe in Prog
I never have, I never will

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Points: 3595 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2009 at 10:49
Don't ever trust, Don't ever trust the OP, it lies.
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Points: 24429 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2009 at 09:52
Perhaps someone here should post a video of The Who's "Won't Get Fooled Again"WinkLOL...
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Points: 4659 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2009 at 09:52

Originally posted by Synchestra Synchestra wrote:

I'm a little suprised to see them listed as prog folk too. Crossover or something like that maybe, as some of their songs are proggy (the island, and title track(s) from the crane wife, for example), but for the most part they seem a sort of folk-pop-rock band. but regardless, i love them prog or not

Here's another viewpoint I suppose:

Rolling Stone called the Decemberists 'prog' and 'folk'

Paste called them prog and folk (also called them the 'Dorks of Hazard', but that's okay LOL)

Pitchfork called them prog-folk

Crud called them prog and folk

Slant called them prog (but not folk since no one at Slant knows what folk music is)

QRO called them prog and folk

Treble called the prog folk

Pop Matters calls them folk and prog "geeky" rock

SEE called them prog-folk

Barnes and Noble calls them prog and folk

Billboard calls them prog folk

Captain Obvious calls them prog and folk (thanks Captain Obvious!)

So if you were some relatively clueless but well-meaning young lad (or lass) and were trolling around the big scary and confusing internet looking for some folks who knew a bit about prog and folk music and maybe had some good advice on which Decemberists albums were the best, and possibly even some other bands that might be considered in that same general category; where would you more than likely end up?

This place is called a prog Archive after all, not a 'prog club', and the primary reason it exists is to provide people with a comprehensive reference source for prog music.  That, of necessity, means including quite a bit of music that isn't going to appeal to some (or even most) of us who frequent the site.

I spend a lot of time at the library too, even though I only check out a very, very small percentage of the books housed there.  Smile
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