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BaldJean
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Posted: June 27 2009 at 18:40 |
progrules wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
progrules wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
I would agree if someone called "Pawn Hearts" a weird album, but the rest in the discography of VdGG is pretty normal, at least to my ears.
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Now we're talking ! I almost started doubting myself reading all those enthusiastic comments about Pawn Hearts. At least you agree it's weird. Some even call it great music !
On the other hand I can agree with you that other albums by VDGG are more like ... normal. Godbluff is not weird at all for instance and a pretty normal and fine album. |
Don't get me wrong; I would give "Pawn Hearts" five stars. I am not afraid of weirdness; on the contrary, I welcome it.
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In that case a small test now: which GG stream track (on PA) do you like best ? I guess it would be Knots as I think it's the weirdest of the lot. I pick Prologue since it's the most accessible one.
(Unless of course you're not into Gentle Giant at all ) |
I personally think that "Black Cat" or "The House, the Street, the Room" from "Acquiring the Taste" are at least as equally weird as "Knots".
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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lucas
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Posted: June 27 2009 at 17:25 |
Jake Kobrin wrote:
I already talked about my affliction with Rush...
I already talked about my affliction with Marillion...
I find Tangerine Dream to be incredibly boring
I already talked about my affliction with Dream Theater...
I generally dislike high-pitched vocals (meaning you don't like Yes) |
What are you doing on a prog-rock forum ? Sure there are some metal bands that have some connection with prog but I am pretty sure you will find more to enjoy on a metal forum than on a prog-rock one...However I tend to think that prog is very present these days in metal...
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Jake Kobrin
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Posted: June 27 2009 at 16:01 |
Some I forgot: I can't really get into the Moody Blues for some unknown reason. I greatly appreciate what they've done for prog and such, but I just find them... boring and outdated. I really hate Coheed and Cambria, they're horrible, seriously... I have to be in a certain mood to enjoy Genesis that is semi-rare, but when I'm in that mood I love them. They're just so eccentric to a point that it's difficult to listen to. I don't dislike them at all though. I already talked about my affliction with Rush... Ayreon is so ridiculously cheesy that it's quite hard to like, I love a few songs but most of it just bleh, and several of my favorite singers are on his albums so that's hard to say! I already talked about my affliction with Marillion... I find Tangerine Dream to be incredibly boring, seriously, and not even beautiful. I listen to a LOT of ambient music that I find incredibly beautiful and quite amazing but Tangerine Dream doesn't fit in that category. They are just awfully outdated. I already talked about my affliction with Dream Theater... I dislike most non-extreme prog metal bands with the exception of RIverside and Pain of Salvation (for the most part): Symphony X, etc. That's all I can think of for now. I generally dislike high-pitched vocals though, excluding Sigur Ros.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: June 27 2009 at 14:51 |
It seems like these kind f threads are good for something after all. Check out Ivan's Magma reviews on the front page!
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Snow Dog
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Posted: June 26 2009 at 04:27 |
BaldFriede wrote:
Wintersun wrote:
all these people saying they cant get into most (or all) prog metal... sounds to me like they have no idea how diverse prog metal actually is... that meaning they have done barely any research at all... what are the odds of so many different types of bands under one vague flag not appealing to someone... |
This argument could easily be turned around. How about prog metal fans trying some early Krautrock for a change?
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I actually agree with you.
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el dingo
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Posted: June 26 2009 at 03:22 |
crimson87 wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
Wintersun wrote:
all these people saying they cant get into most (or all) prog metal... sounds to me like they have no idea how diverse prog metal actually is... that meaning they have done barely any research at all... what are the odds of so many different types of bands under one vague flag not appealing to someone... |
This argument could easily be turned around. How about prog metal fans trying some early Krautrock for a change?
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I agree on that one , the german scene is really underlooked on this site. |
I like prog metal and Krautrock just about equally I think - I'd find it hard to pick one over the other in musical enjoyment terms
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It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough.
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hitting_singularity2
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Posted: June 26 2009 at 01:10 |
Neurotarkus wrote:
I really haven't heard any prog I don't like, much less actively dislike. I'm not really picky as far as musical tastes go. However, I do hate when people criticize bands or entire genres, saying stuff like "oh, (band) sucks and so does everyone who likes them, and (leading band member) is secretly a Nazi who eats people's children". Maybe that's just because I'm a prog fan, and prog has to be one of the most hated genres, at least to those who don't have the patience for 20-minute long suites.
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That is me almost exactly... I haven't come across a band yet that i genuinely don't like, and that goes for most bands outside of prog as well. However some artists who i don't respect so i don't really bother listening to their music would be Kanye West and.... well thats all i can really think of right now
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crimson87
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Posted: June 25 2009 at 22:12 |
BaldFriede wrote:
Wintersun wrote:
all these people saying they cant get into most (or all) prog metal... sounds to me like they have no idea how diverse prog metal actually is... that meaning they have done barely any research at all... what are the odds of so many different types of bands under one vague flag not appealing to someone... |
This argument could easily be turned around. How about prog metal fans trying some early Krautrock for a change?
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I agree on that one , the german scene is really underlooked on this site.
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BaldFriede
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Posted: June 25 2009 at 19:48 |
Wintersun wrote:
all these people saying they cant get into most (or all) prog metal... sounds to me like they have no idea how diverse prog metal actually is... that meaning they have done barely any research at all... what are the odds of so many different types of bands under one vague flag not appealing to someone... |
This argument could easily be turned around. How about prog metal fans trying some early Krautrock for a change?
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BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue.
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Neurotarkus
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Posted: June 25 2009 at 19:16 |
I already stated my lukewarm feelings for Genesis. However, I do like VDGG, and Killer is prbly a top ten fave song for me.
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"I cannot grasp the concept of love, for I am a pickle!"
-Neurotarkus
I create musics. Good Ones. Contact me if you desire it.
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Roy-Mus
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Posted: June 25 2009 at 19:08 |
Perhaps I'm going to be crucified, but I never quite got into Genesis. Well, I can see that they are a good band, with a lot of critically aclaimed albuns throughout the 70's but - and take in consideration that I have listened extensively to Foxtrot, A Trick of the Tail, Wind and Wuthering, The Lamb Lies Down and Selling England, I believe the bulk of the band's output - and found nothing of really spectacular, like when I first discovered the Floyd, ELP or Camel. Genesis have good songs - I think I like Selling England the most - but I simply can't get that sense of PROG SPECTACULARITY found in Wish You Were Here, Thick as a Brick or Close to the Edge...
But at least I can listen to Genesis. VGG for me, is atrocious, I simply can't get into the vocals and the melodies themselves don't appeal to me either. It's a shame because the prog universe is very big but it gets a bit smaller when some "planets" have to be avoided at all cost.
These are my two cents... Let the bashing begin!
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el dingo
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Posted: June 25 2009 at 08:25 |
Progosopher wrote:
As my former boss in the bookstore I worked in many years ago said, "Just because people say you should, you don't have to like anything."
I've just gone through this whole damn discussion, and have concluded that we proggers have a wide and varied sense of taste - we are actually individuals in what we listen to! And who said proggers were a bunch of closed-minded music geeks? Now slap on your favorite album, crank it up, softly curse those who don't like it, and thank those who made it. Or not, you don't have to do it just because I told you. |
Amen
PS As prog maybe makes up only about 50 per cent of my chosen listening, I'd personally say the words in your post extend to ALL genres of music.
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It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough.
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tamijo
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Posted: June 25 2009 at 07:43 |
The T wrote:
In finally bought the latest MARS VOLTA release... Now I have all 5 of them... and of the first 4 I only like the first... I guess my case is one of sheer stupidity.. Or maybe finally I'll get into them!! |
Love that you bought 3 albums in a row, with a band you dislike.
MUST have a huge collection
When i try to make my fellow man like Volta, i ask em to think of the singer as an Instrument, but
then again it dosent help that often
Edited by tamijo - June 25 2009 at 07:45
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Green Shield Stamp
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Posted: June 25 2009 at 07:26 |
I've skimmed through this thread and it seems that it is difficult to post a contribution without giving grevious offence to others. If you love a band, it is difficult to hear from someone that they are 'boring' or 'not as good as they're cracked up to be' etc. It immediately puts you on the defensive and you want to confront the opinion that has been given.
I think that not 'getting' a band is more about the listener than the band. Just because someone doesn't like Dream Theater it doesn't add to the detriment of the band - it merely tells us something about the subjective view of a particular listener.
Listening to music is entirely subjective and we all have our own preferences. Trying to argue that your preference is more valid than someone else's is utterly pointless. It's like trying to argue that blue is a better colour than red, or that Indian food is better than Chinese food. When people think that there is somekind of arguable objective foundation for their subjective beliefs, we are on very shaky ground. It is such attitudes that kept Prog out in the cold for so many years.
Also, if you don't get a particular band.....then perhaps you should try harder!!
I never particularly liked Prog Metal, but after reading many impassioned reviews eulogising the likes of Tool, Pain of Salvation, Dream Theater, Opeth etc... I thought it was time to give it another go. Thanks to many of the contributors to this site, I have now built a pretty good collection of Prog Metal and I enjoy the music immensely.
It's Ok to say that you don't 'get' a particular band, but don't try to ascribe this to some fault in the band.
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Haiku
Writing a poem
With seventeen syllables
Is very diffic....
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The Sleepwalker
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Posted: June 25 2009 at 05:33 |
Dream Theatre Arena Marillion Magma Yes
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Snow Dog
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Posted: June 25 2009 at 05:19 |
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iguana
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Posted: June 25 2009 at 05:13 |
OmfG, 16 pages. i shan't read all this ...
me: the flower kings. bleurgh.
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progressive rock and rural tranquility don't match. true or false?
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The T
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Posted: June 24 2009 at 22:16 |
In finally bought the latest MARS VOLTA release... Now I have all 5 of them... and of the first 4 I only like the first... I guess my case is one of sheer stupidity.. Or maybe finally I'll get into them!!
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Neurotarkus
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Posted: June 24 2009 at 19:32 |
I really haven't heard any prog I don't like, much less actively dislike. I'm not really picky as far as musical tastes go. However, I do hate when people criticize bands or entire genres, saying stuff like "oh, (band) sucks and so does everyone who likes them, and (leading band member) is secretly a Nazi who eats people's children". Maybe that's just because I'm a prog fan, and prog has to be one of the most hated genres, at least to those who don't have the patience for 20-minute long suites.
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"I cannot grasp the concept of love, for I am a pickle!"
-Neurotarkus
I create musics. Good Ones. Contact me if you desire it.
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Progosopher
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Posted: June 24 2009 at 19:25 |
As my former boss in the bookstore I worked in many years ago said, "Just because people say you should, you don't have to like anything."
I've just gone through this whole damn discussion, and have concluded that we proggers have a wide and varied sense of taste - we are actually individuals in what we listen to! And who said proggers were a bunch of closed-minded music geeks? Now slap on your favorite album, crank it up, softly curse those who don't like it, and thank those who made it. Or not, you don't have to do it just because I told you.
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The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty"
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