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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2006 at 19:08
Mark:
 
Where are the passengers?  Are you sure you want to know the (possible) answer to that?  After all, if Roosevelt permitted 2400 U.S. servicepersons to die on 12/7/41 in order to have a pretext for entering WWII, and Johnson (and Nixon) escalated the war on the false pretense of the Gulf of Tonkin incident, causing the unnecessary deaths of over 58,000 American servicemen (and over 3 million Vietnamese...), and if the alternative theory people are correct about 9/11 and the government allowed over 2500 Americans (and others) to die in a controlled demolition of the WTC, the answer to your question is devastatingly, horribly obvious: either they were deboarded from the plane during the time that the transponder was off, and "disappeared" then, or the plane was escorted out to sea and shot down over the Atlantic Ocean.  There is some evidence to support the latter theory.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2006 at 19:08
Originally posted by marktheshark marktheshark wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

I do not believe an airplane hit The Pentagon. Having scrutinised pictures of the lawn outside,the size of the hole in the building and the condition of exterior and interior walls,plus the fact that the Govt claims to have only this small video evidence,I can only come to one conclusion: one would have to be extremely gullible to believe the Govt's version of events.

And one would have to be pretty paranoid to hang on to this theory.

So I ask again, WHERE ARE THE PASSENGERS THEN?!
    
 
Were's the plain wreckage?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2006 at 17:53
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

I do not believe an airplane hit The Pentagon. Having scrutinised pictures of the lawn outside,the size of the hole in the building and the condition of exterior and interior walls,plus the fact that the Govt claims to have only this small video evidence,I can only come to one conclusion: one would have to be extremely gullible to believe the Govt's version of events.

And one would have to be pretty paranoid to hang on to this theory.

So I ask again, WHERE ARE THE PASSENGERS THEN?!
    
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2006 at 17:50

I think that this is the right time to release another video like that...Wink

Sincere sorry to Jody...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2006 at 17:41
I do believe an airplane hit The Pentagon. Having scrutinised pictures of the lawn outside,the size of the hole in the building and the condition of exterior and interior walls,despite the fact that the Govt claims to have only this small video evidence,I can only come to one conclusion: one would have to be extremely stupid not to believe the Govt's version of events.




>face-saving edit?Embarrassed





Edited by Tony R - May 19 2006 at 18:54
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2006 at 15:13
I don't believe anything the government says anyway. I wouldn't even believe this tape was from a security camera if they told me so (and they did).
 
Face it:
 
For the past half century, people have come to distrust the government (at least in the USA) more and more, and the Bush administration pushed everyone's fears over the edge by lying so much and explioting 9/11. It's sad, really. I want to trust the people that have the ability to command armies (essentiall, my frends and I), but I don't.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2006 at 12:22
Originally posted by Bob Greece Bob Greece wrote:

Did the Pentagon really only just release that video? I'm sure I've seen that video in the past


I'm glad I'm not the only one getting deja vu; it's not only still images I've seen in the past, I'm sure it was a video

Jody - my sincere condolences - I hope this ongoing discussion thread doesn't prove too upsetting.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2006 at 11:56
Sorry about your nephew Jody. Was he IN the Pentagon when this happened?

Also as far as these conspiracy theories go, if it was not a plane then someone needs to let our Solicitor General Ted Olsen know where his wife Barbara is because she was last seen boarding that plane along with a friend of mine's brother and sister-in-law!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2006 at 11:27
Thanks for the link.  That is very interesting indeed!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2006 at 10:38
Sorry about your nephew, Jody!

But I agree that people should try to obtain all information available on the subject and then make up their minds and decide what THEY believe.

Here's an interesting video - highly recommended!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2006 at 10:28
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:



In other words a conspiracy!
     

I cant run this at work. I'll check it out tonight at home, but having seen the damage to the Penatgon, and having heard certain experts say that the damage was not consistent with a plane hitting the building, I'm inclined to believe the whole thing stinks.
 
Do not need experts to realize that the damage to the building could not have been by a plane. I know armoured concrete building resist well, ( there were no trace of wings in the footage at the time) , but from there to eating plane wings , this was a a very defensive buildingWink...... Dead Stiiiiinnkyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
How about them releasing the pictures of the fourth plane shot overthe Pennsylvania forest. I mean that plane was surrounded by US airfoce planes fully loaded  >> so loaded there was no more room for a camera filming the plane getting shot down by the US Aiorforce, Right?Big smile
 
 
 
STTIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNKKKKKKKKKYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!............
 
If the USAF did shoot that plane down, do you disagree with that?
 
Actually If I had been president I probably would've ordered it shot down  >> force majeure, It just had to be done.
 
 but I would certainly not have hidden that I had ordered shot down, >>> the fact of  inventing this rebellion so they died as heroes as they said it happened >> that is utter trash and disgracefulDead
 
Of course the lawyers of families  would've been there claiming interest and more
 
 
But we will never really know, uh?
 
 
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

I can't watch this,my oldest nephew was killed in the Pentagon attack.
 
And please accept my full sympathy
 
 
 


Edited by Sean Trane - May 17 2006 at 10:31
let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2006 at 10:26
Bob, apparently it has just been released.  You may have seen the stills from this video, that were made into an animated gif.  The video is clearer, but still is inconclusive.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2006 at 10:25

Jody:

I add my sincere sorrow for your loss.  Although it may be no comfort, the 9/11 truth movement (of which I have been a member for over 2 years) includes many of the victims' families, who do not believe the "official story" re the WTC, Pentagon and Pennsylvania.  These people are doubly angry because they not only lost family and friends, but believe that the government was complicit in those deaths.  For example, I know of at least half a dozen families (and there are many, many more) who had family or friends die at the WTC, but nevertheless believe that they were brought down by controlled demolition.
 
That said, I have three inital comments on the Pentagon tape.
 
First, as many have pointed out, there is actually nothing on the tape that proves it was a 757: it remains ambiguous, and only creates more questions than it answers.
 
Second, the Pentagon is one of the most heavily protected buildings in the world.  There must be dozens, perhaps hundreds, of cameras surrounding the building.  Is the DOD suggesting that only one single camera caught the "crash?"  This stretches credibility a bit far, don't you think?
 
Third, within minutes of the crash, the FBI confiscated closed-circuit videotapes from a gas station, a hotel, a supermarket and another venue, all of which had clear shots of the crash.  If all of the tapes show the same thing, why only release the DOD tape and not the others?  Food for thought.
 
As Sean suggests, no matter how the government "spins" the "official story," one single, indisputable fact speaks volumes: a 757 has a wingspan of 141 feet and a tail height of 44 feet.  Yet the hole in the Pentagon was 60-75 feet wide, and the windows on the third floor - at a height of only 30 feet - were completely intact.  End of story.
 
Still, it is important that anyone who has an interest in this subejct - "9/11 truth" - do their own research.  By all means, read government-issued reports and statements, and sites that support the "official story."  And go to the many sites that provide evidence of "alternative theories" of the events of 9/11.  Then use your own innate sense of logic, common sense and discernment to come to your own conclusion.
 
Peace.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2006 at 10:22

Did the Pentagon really only just release that video? I'm sure I've seen that video in the past.

To Jody - I'm very sorry to hear about your nephew.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2006 at 10:06
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:



In other words a conspiracy!
     

I cant run this at work. I'll check it out tonight at home, but having seen the damage to the Penatgon, and having heard certain experts say that the damage was not consistent with a plane hitting the building, I'm inclined to believe the whole thing stinks.
 
Do not need experts to realize that the damage to the building could not have been by a plane. I know armoured concrete building resist well, ( there were no trace of wings in the footage at the time) , but from there to eating plane wings , this was a a very defensive buildingWink...... Dead Stiiiiinnkyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
How about them releasing the pictures of the fourth plane shot overthe Pennsylvania forest. I mean that plane was surrounded by US airfoce planes fully loaded  >> so loaded there was no more room for a camera filming the plane getting shot down by the US Aiorforce, Right?Big smile
 
 
 
STTIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNKKKKKKKKKYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!............
 
If the USAF did shoot that plane down do you disagree with that?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2006 at 09:35
So the plane goes down, skips the ground, hits the pentagon and enters it TOTALLY in less than ONE SECOND (disregarding the stopping force of the building), immediately explodes AND leaves no trace of a plane and they call this proof that a plane hit the building?



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2006 at 09:24
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:



In other words a conspiracy!
     

I cant run this at work. I'll check it out tonight at home, but having seen the damage to the Penatgon, and having heard certain experts say that the damage was not consistent with a plane hitting the building, I'm inclined to believe the whole thing stinks.
 
Do not need experts to realize that the damage to the building could not have been by a plane. I know armoured concrete building resist well, ( there were no trace of wings in the footage at the time) , but from there to eating plane wings , this was a a very defensive buildingWink...... Dead Stiiiiinnkyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
How about them releasing the pictures of the fourth plane shot overthe Pennsylvania forest. I mean that plane was surrounded by US airfoce planes fully loaded  >> so loaded there was no more room for a camera filming the plane getting shot down by the US Aiorforce, Right?Big smile
 
 
 
STTIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNKKKKKKKKKYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!............
let's just stay above the moral melee
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2006 at 08:55
Thanks to everyone for the kind words and thoughts.
 
I just said to a buddy of mine,the wounds will never heal but I have tried to make peace with it.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2006 at 08:28
My condolences Jody, I am sure the pain is still with your family after 5 years, nothing can replace him.

The victims families have a right to know the truth (if, indeed, what is porported to be the truth, isn't the truth, of course).

An odd question this... and I am sorry if it angers anyone, I don't mean to... but if the 'plane didn't hit the Pentagon, where did it go?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2006 at 08:27
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Looks like a plane to me....and i donlt know how anyone can judge the size of it.


A 757 is not a small plane and would have filled that view infront of the Pentagon before impact. This does of course depend on the fact that it was a 757, I dont have the time to check up right now though.


Here is a simu;lation, and it doesnt fill up the front of the Penatgin


http://news.uns.purdue.edu/UNS/images/sozen.pentagon.jpeg
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