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Lewian
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I'm also active in a local football (soccer) forum, where they have a series of theme-based song contests. They're at no. 137 now and nowhere near running out of themes. Many of those are driven by the lyrics, you can then really come up with all kinds of stuff, be it parts of the body, "energy", houses & homes, nations, whatever. I'm not much of a lyrics listener, so this isn't quite perfect for me (occasionally they have other themes such as cover versions as well), but the message here is, the pool of possible themes is pretty much unlimited, with a bit of creativity. Obviously we can't expect to have something to nominate all the time that fits the theme and is (a) reasonably unknown, (b) we really love, (c) is not by artists that already had come up before. There need to be limits to perfectionism.
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Mila-13
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My first thought was Pink Floyd's "Final Cut" album that includes various sound effects. Field recordings have been integrated into the music by using the holophonics audio processing technique to make sound effects appear more three-dimensional to the listener which was quite groundbreaking at the time. Meanwhile field recordings and various sound effects are frequently used in electronic music such as ambient and beyond. There are also various multidisciplinary artists who use field recordings in their work. And let's not forget about film, video games (sound design), etc. I know one or two Swiss sound artists who do research in this area and create new and exciting soundscapes, one of them has recieved attention even beyond national borders. However, experimentation with various kinds of sounds and noise goes much further back, in fact since sound recording devices exist.- I'm sure that Greg and Anders could tell us a lot on this subject! The theme concept of interactive polls is great and keeps things going but the longer the more difficult it will get to find new themes I guess. Edited by Mila-13 - December 28 2021 at 00:04 |
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Snicolette
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Here is a larger definition of "field recording," so some may not feel so scared off by the term. Up to Nick and Lorenzo.
Field recording is the term used for an audio recording produced outside a recording studio, and the term applies to recordings of both natural and human-produced sounds. It also applies to sound recordings like electromagnetic fields or vibrations using different microphones like a passive magnetic antenna for electromagnetic recordings or contact microphones. For underwater field recordings, a field recordist uses hydrophones to capture the sounds and/or movements of whales, or other aquatic organisms. These recordings are very useful for sound designers. Field recording of natural sounds, also called phonography (a term chosen to illustrate its similarities to photography), was originally developed as a documentary adjunct to research work in the field, and foley work for film. With the introduction of high-quality, portable recording equipment, it has subsequently become an evocative artform in itself. In the 1970s, both processed and natural phonographic recordings, (pioneered by Irv Teibel's Environments series), became popular. "Field recordings" may also refer to simple monaural or stereo recordings taken of musicians in familiar and casual surroundings, such as the ethnomusicology recordings pioneered by John Lomax, Nonesuch Records, and Vanguard Records. |
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Snicolette
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I think I got that, Nick, thanks for the clarification. Just outside of studio/outdoors is really the wider definition.
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nick_h_nz
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I never said sounds of nature. I said field recordings, which simply meanings recordings outside the studio. The example I mentioned was bird song, but another album I really enjoyed last year used the ambient noises recorded in transit on trains and planes to great effect. So, no nature, but completely integral to the sound and concept of the music it was interpolated into.
As I said, I was going to be more specific, but decided that would be too limiting. Field recordings shouldn’t be limiting at all, I wouldn’t have thought. And while the two examples I have mentioned now (one in my first post and another in this one) use the field recordings as an integral part of the release they feature on, I was not intending on making that a requirement for the poll (although I do hope people might attempt to find such a track in their collection). So incidental and ornamental field recordings would be allowed, and are not that uncommon. |
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jamesbaldwin
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If we talk about concerts performed outdoors, it is already easier, I know several, but you can't hear the sounds of nature. The question of the topics to put in the polls inevitably leads us, days after days, to look for music and themes that are always new, and therefore strange, eccentric, etc. As I told Mila months ago, this could turn polls into a "musical research" thread. For example, I should look for a song on youtube if you want to do a theme on the sounds of nature. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but let's say that in this way the polls lose their function of fun and sharing (the initial idea is to share with other non-prog good or bad songs that we love) and become a research, at least for those like me who do not have such a wide and varied musical knowledge. I have nothing against it if sometimes you want to take a poll with a very specific theme, but I hope that the polls remain a place to share songs we love.
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Snicolette
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I can think of one, it's a new release and very good, in my opinion (it is in PA, incidentally). I can think of several that have the outdoors as a backdrop, or that were recorded outdoors, not necessarily for the sounds of nature, per se, but because that is where the music was being played (thinking along the lines of some Folkways releases here). Not sure if you're going that wide or not.
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jamesbaldwin
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it's a very specific topic, Nick. Frankly, I don't know of any songs recorded in the open air where the sounds of nature play an important part.
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nick_h_nz
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Just putting this forward as a potential topic for my poll: Field recordings in music. I was going to be more specific than that, but thought it might be too limiting for some. One of my favourite releases from this year is built almost entirely upon field recordings of NZ birdsong. Almost every conventional instrument has been replaced by birdsong, and it’s just awesome. It was this release that made me think about making field recordings the topic of my poll, but once I thought about that, I realised just how many releases from the last couple of (covid) years have used field recordings as an integral part of the music, rather than incidental and/or ornamental.
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I have written to Nick and he is avalaible: he's going to open the next poll!
Then JD (if he will be avalaible), then Mila etc
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Mila-13
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@ Lorenzo This is awesome, thank you so much! Like most foreign people, when it comes to folky sounds with lyrics in dialect, I'm familiar mainly with artists from southern Italy.- I do remembe De Simone's 'Kyrie' that you have shared recently, Guccini of course (this song, what a masterpiece!) and Corsica's 'A Filetta'. Vitalba and Mau Mau are both great. Thank you also for all the extra info; very interesting! - Btw there is another folk rock group from Rome that I find quite nice . Probably you know them? And here are Canzoniere Grecanico Saltenino who I have mentioned earlier (this song is exceptionally in Italian because it has a message that they want everyone to understand, I guess.) The video was directed by Alessandro Gassman. Edited by Mila-13 - December 25 2021 at 06:21 |
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jamesbaldwin
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1) First: the Sardinian a cappella ensemble is Tenores di Bitti... But... i cant stand them! I said: it needs a good stomach to listen to them. 2) I have never listen to Canzoniere Grecanico Saltenino. 3) Well, I posted two groups from Corsica who sing in Corsican language (which is a Renaissance dialect of Tuscany with various influences), and which I care a lot about. They are: - A Filetta has published polyphonic a cappella choirs for years, but recently their music has been renewed and collaborated with artists such as the Sardinian Paolo Fresu, jazz trumpeter. This is the song I posted: - Vitalba: I have published this piece: . Then, I posted the Mau Mau of the strictly Italian groups, who sing in Piedmontese (Turin dialect), and play a Mediterranean patchanka, in fact in the group there is also a Moroccan musician. - Roberto De Simone (do you remember?) : Kyrie is sung in Neapolitan dialect and English Moreover I submitted to your listening, without then selecting them for the nomination, other dialect songs: 1) A Filetta: A Sumiglia (Corsican dialect) 2) Francesco Guccini: Natale a Pavana (Tuscan-Emilian Apennine dialect) 3) I Gufi (cabaret group): La Balilla (Milanese dialect) And do you remember the song by Ustmamo? Ustmamo is a group that sings many songs in Emilian dialect.
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Mila-13
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Thank you all for the recommendations, much appreciated! It's a bit tricky with prog in the polls outside the prog department. As always there are pros and cons. I would just like to show but also preserve musical diversity. Edited by Mila-13 - December 24 2021 at 01:44 |
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Hugh Manatee
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I think Dulcimer fits into this category: |
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Snicolette
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There are quite a few Prog Folk type artists, not sure if that is what you are after. Charlie Cawood comes to mind right away and The Pentangle (although they did sometimes bring in electric guitars) and all of their various offshoots. Not sure if this is what you're thinking of, however.
Also, we have done a couple of lesser-known Interactive Prog Polls, we've put them into the regular Prog Polls area when we've done that. |
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mathman0806
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I like the acoustic idea.
Here's an old thread on acoustic prog songs: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=100132&PN=2 And I have liked this version of Roundabout. |
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Mila-13
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Indeed, I can recall this Sardinian a cappella ensemble that you introduced back in the choir edition but you didn't nominate them after all. Where can I find other similar artists that you have introduced in the past? I know e.g. Canzoniere Grecanico Saltenino who I appreciate very much. Another idea for one of my next polls would be 'acoustic songs', since I'm a big fan of acoustic music and instruments. The songs should however include vocals imo, with or whithout lyrics. Genre-wise I think that classical music should be excluded. Btw. is there actually any entirely acoustic prog? Pardon me for asking, but I'm not an expert. Edited by Mila-13 - December 23 2021 at 14:40 |
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jamesbaldwin
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Never done. I like the idea. I In fact I hsve already posted a lot of songs sung in various Italian dialects. |
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Mila-13
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I was thinking about a good theme for my next poll."Regional/minority language & culture" would be one of my options. A few examples. UK-Welsh/Gaelic/Scots dialect. Canada-Acadian French, First Nations languages or culture. Italy-Sardo/various dialects (e.g. Tuscan, Venetian, Sicilian, etc.), France-Creole, Breton etc., Spain-Catalan, Basque. The main criteria is not necessarily the language itself but the culture of a certain region or population group (culture of Indigneous peoples, people from French overseas departments, etc.). On the other hand we also have small countries who have their own language and cultures such as Malta. - Was there a similar poll theme before and is this something that would interest you? Edited by Mila-13 - December 21 2021 at 13:31 |
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