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Black Velvet wrote: Joren wrote: Black Velvet wrote: Hello, and welcome back ... I don't think we have crossed paths before but I guess you have picked up I visit this thread a lot. Anyway now having heard both Taal albums in there entirety I would definately have to agree with their inclusion in the RIO/avant section. I couldn't be seeing them in prog metal and luckly they are not as they would be overshadowed by the wealth of bands now in that sub-genre. You will have to get listening to a full album, I'm rather new to them as well. Though I was not overly sold as of yet on Skymind I'm rather enjoying Mister Green which I think is a good start.      I also have been getting into Steve Martland and Louis Andriessen's work, which is you are indirectly responsible for. So thank you 1. Thanks for the welcome, Black Velvet. I have indeed read some of your posts and, although I don't yet know you very well, I noticed you have some impressive knowledge about avant-garde music. 2. I have just heard Skymind in its entirety for the first time, and I must say I'm slightly moving the other way... I feel they would also fit nicely into Art Rock. The King Crimson influence is clearly there, and there are also some hints at folk and metal music. Then again, I still feel they are not completely out of place in RIO/Avant-Prog and it's a good thing they are not overshadowed there, like you said. 3. Yes, I'm certainly responsible for that. I'm glad you like Martland and Andriessen. Have you heard Douwe Eisenga's work as well? (If not, send me a PM ) Thank you for the immense compliment. I'm always happy to share my knowledge with other people and there is no other place better than this thread. Unlike most places where I try and show people the music I love, the reaction is usualy a strange look and them searching for their car keys With Taal you are going to have to try out Mister Green sometime I think James will enforce this idea as well. When people liken bands to King Crimson it usually goes straight over my head. I have two CD's by them which never get played... maybe I should do something about that No I have not heard of Douwe Eisenga I'm assuming he is another Dutch composer of similar style to the two you mentioned before? If so I am very interested. Oh... I'm looking forward to your post on John Zorn. I only know limit knowledge about his music. Which is pretty much focused around the CD's I own. Though I have done a few reviews on some of his albums if you are interested in a light read.

Thanks for the tip! I will try to find Mister Green.

You are really missing out on King Crimson though. I find some of their music a bit difficult to listen to (pretty strange, because I'm used to a lot of strange stuff) - I think it has something to do with their dense sound. But I really like some of their music when I'm in the right mood and some of it is absolutely brilliant stuff. It is not Avant-Prog in the absolute way, but some of their albums are definitely avant-garde.

Douwe Eisenga is another minimalist composer indeed, but more on the soft side. His CD was advertised as "Simeon ten Holt meets Yann Tiersen." Simeon ten Holt is another Dutch composer, and Yann Tiersen composed the soundtracks to the films "Amélie" (full title "Le Fabuleux Destin D'Amélie Poulin") and "Goodbye Lenin", which you might know.

I must admit that most of my knowledge of John Zorn is also based on the CD's I own (and on some of the articles I've read, of course). But I do own 15 of them, so I hope that gives me a nice impression of most aspects of his career. (Needless to say that this collection is growing. )

I am too tired now to tell something about all those CD's, so I'll do that tomorrow (it's 0:39 AM over here). I should really write reviews about them, but I've been waiting a bit too long for inspiration to come. Maybe this holiday I will find time to write some more reviews.

I will also read your reviews tomorrow, although I might have already read them when you had just posted them; I am mostly on top of the reviews of artists I like. 

Edited by Joren - July 06 2006 at 18:42

Joren wrote: Black Velvet wrote: Hello, and welcome back ... I don't think we have crossed paths before but I guess you have picked up I visit this thread a lot. Anyway now having heard both Taal albums in there entirety I would definately have to agree with their inclusion in the RIO/avant section. I couldn't be seeing them in prog metal and luckly they are not as they would be overshadowed by the wealth of bands now in that sub-genre. You will have to get listening to a full album, I'm rather new to them as well. Though I was not overly sold as of yet on Skymind I'm rather enjoying Mister Green which I think is a good start.      I also have been getting into Steve Martland and Louis Andriessen's work, which is you are indirectly responsible for. So thank you 1. Thanks for the welcome, Black Velvet. I have indeed read some of your posts and, although I don't yet know you very well, I noticed you have some impressive knowledge about avant-garde music. 2. I have just heard Skymind in its entirety for the first time, and I must say I'm slightly moving the other way... I feel they would also fit nicely into Art Rock. The King Crimson influence is clearly there, and there are also some hints at folk and metal music. Then again, I still feel they are not completely out of place in RIO/Avant-Prog and it's a good thing they are not overshadowed there, like you said. 3. Yes, I'm certainly responsible for that. I'm glad you like Martland and Andriessen. Have you heard Douwe Eisenga's work as well? (If not, send me a PM )

Thank you for the immense compliment. I'm always happy to share my knowledge with other people and there is no other place better than this thread. Unlike most places where I try and show people the music I love, the reaction is usualy a strange look and them searching for their car keys

With Taal you are going to have to try out Mister Green sometime I think James will enforce this idea as well. When people liken bands to King Crimson it usually goes straight over my head. I have two CD's by them which never get played... maybe I should do something about that

No I have not heard of Douwe Eisenga I'm assuming he is another Dutch composer of similar style to the two you mentioned before? If so I am very interested.

Oh... I'm looking forward to your post on John Zorn. I only know limit knowledge about his music. Which is pretty much focused around the CD's I own. Though I have done a few reviews on some of his albums if you are interested in a light read.   

Joren wrote: When I was a kid, I hated classical music (it made me feel down), but there were two albums with (modern) classical music that I liked: Louis Andriessen's De Stijl/M Is For Man, Music, Mozart, and Possessed by the Balanescu Quartet. Louis Andriessen is one of the most well-known dutch composers and his music is influenced by the American minmalist composers, but more agressive and also incorporating popular music and jazz influences. Highly recommended. "Possessed" is a great CD of The Balanescu Quartet playing Kraftwerk covers and some of Balanescu's own works (and a David Byrn cover, if I remember correctly). The Kraftwerk covers work wonderfully well. I may be a bit biased though, because when I first heard these covers I had never heard any Kraftwerk so I thought these pieces were written for this string quartet. Here's the cover:

I forgot to add: If anyone is interested in hearing this, send me a PM.

Geck0 wrote: Haha, yes, she's a wonderful artist and I wish she'd get some commisions or something, as she's short of money. Yes, I've come across JrKASperov (a chess fan I take it?), he seems cool enough, he's replied to a few of my posts before.

Too bad so many artists are short of money. The government should give them more subsidy!

JrKASperov is not a chess fan (that's Kasparov, with an "a"), it's just a play on his real name. He might seem cool enough, but I know him very well and he is very cool.

Haha, yes, she's a wonderful artist and I wish she'd get some commisions or something, as she's short of money.

Yes, I've come across JrKASperov (a chess fan I take it?), he seems cool enough, he's replied to a few of my posts before.

avestin wrote: Geck0 wrote: I've finally gotten around to listening to Zaar and I must say I am very impressed!  Their sound is quite a bit different to Sotos and that's quite a pleasant surprise.  This is probably more to my taste than Sotos, even though I like both. You've got to love the Hurdy-Gurdy! I just saw Joren has voted yes on their inclusion, thus making it cleared for addition with 3 votes.

So I have.  I quickly "scanned" through the album. It sounded like a clear case really. I will soon listen to it in its entirety (is this really a word? ), and I also have yet to check out Sotos.

Geck0 wrote: I know you of old Joren, you PMed me about Alamaailman Vasarat once and I also put you in a Pictures At An Exhibition Rogues Gallery photoshop thingamebob! As you know, I don't just listen to RIO/Avant Prog and I'm always after new music of most prog genres.

sh*t, you're right. How could I forget that?! I have been hanging out in the collabs' room for so long that I forgot all about the funny stuff going on "outside".

I still remember your impressive goatee, though.

I know you of old Joren, you PMed me about Alamaailman Vasarat once and I also put you in a Pictures At An Exhibition Rogues Gallery photoshop thingamebob!

As you know, I don't just listen to RIO/Avant Prog and I'm always after new music of most prog genres.

Good good, I cannot see how they cannot be included!  They're more progressive than Sotos.

As for Bungle, only the debut's effect has a little "faded" for me, but I still enjoy it and I love their other efforts. California is different from their others. Mostly, more "relaxed" or toned down songs (of course, Ars Moriendi is one exception). But then again, every album of theirs is different from the other. I think it is worthwhile getting it.