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VanderGraafKommandöh
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
Posted: July 09 2006 at 09:02 | |||||
How are enjoying Mister Greem, Joren?
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Joren
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 07 2004 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 6667 |
Posted: July 09 2006 at 09:00 | |||||
About Taal: I changed my mind and I think they are better off in Art Rock after all. The Prog Reviewers and other Collaborators are currently discussing their position at my request (fueled by the Taal thread). We'll see what happens after voting.
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Joren
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 07 2004 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 6667 |
Posted: July 09 2006 at 06:17 | |||||
I'll keep on trying witht the game pieces, I'll keep on trying. I will read your reviews as well; it should be interesting to read about another "fan"'s view on things. |
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Joren
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 07 2004 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 6667 |
Posted: July 09 2006 at 06:14 | |||||
The internet certainly makes the world a lot smaller... somebody in Australia listening to Simeon ten Holt and Douwe Eisenga... who would've though it. About the concert with the drill: it was not filmed, so you must've seen some other show. |
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Joren
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Posted: July 09 2006 at 06:12 | |||||
They are on the RIO-team's voting chart. |
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Apsalar
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 06 2006 Location: gansu Status: Offline Points: 2888 |
Posted: July 09 2006 at 04:35 | |||||
In light of DallasBryan's recommendation of Material I thought this link could be of some interest.
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eugene
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 30 2005 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 2703 |
Posted: July 08 2006 at 17:13 | |||||
Well, thanks RP. If HUGE fan finds it to be "not worth enough repeated listens to own" and "noise like show" - I guess my first impresion was quite correct. I have no slightest regret in buying it - just wanted to check other people's opinion about it. It is far too noisy for my likings too.
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Posted: July 08 2006 at 17:06 | |||||
I think it's a REALLY awful idea to buy Zorn recordings on a whim. They cover every angle. I learned too that you never really just see a Zorn album in the store, form a preconcept of what it will be, and then buy it. If you're going to get some Zorn without knowing what it'll be beforehand, don't allow other musical ideas to get in your head. I don't own this recording myself because it's far too noisy for my liking, but I don't think it's any less of an album. It's a 100% improvised show Frith and Zorn did, and it's quite an interesting recording - just not worth enough repeated listens to own. For future reference, definitely sample Zorn recordings on amazon.com or something of the like before buying. His 50th ann. series vary all over the place, much of which are improvised noise like shows. Some crash and burn, but others, such as Hemophiliac or Painkiller (vol.s 6 an 12), shine brilliantly. This post is a little rushed (I have to be somewhere very soon!) but I hope it answers your question! I wanted to get back to you as quickly as possible. |
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Apsalar
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 06 2006 Location: gansu Status: Offline Points: 2888 |
Posted: July 08 2006 at 09:29 | |||||
I would like to bring to the attention to the Mexican RIO band called Decibel. For what I can see they are not the site but from what I have read they were one of the bands to join the moment.
Here is a little bit of information aboout the band, all four of their albums are available from: www.forcedexposure.com "A Chamber/Experimental/RIO & Progressive rock band from Mexico. The band started in 1974 as a trio and then they became a sextet. The band were influenced by European acts like Magma, Faust, Henry Cow and also by Avant-Garde composers like Pierre Henry, Kagel, Stockhausen. In 1978 they recorded their masterpiece 'El Poeta Del Ruido' which is considered by many as a Masterpiece. They evolved then into Nazca and only in the 90's formed back. The box set features a 28 pages booklet in a thick carton box with three CD's (Each more then 74 minutes). CD #1 is made from the 70's and featured for the 1st time the complete unedited 'El Poeta Del Ruido', Unreleased UNAM sessions which one of them was on the ReR sampler and never on CD plus the 1st RIO Festival live performance. CD #2 features the 90's material including the bands favorite improvised album Furtuna Virilis and other unreleased material. CD #3 is a new live performance of new material never on CD and with great interest plus 30 minutes if Archives from the 1977-1978." Also if people are interested you are able to have a bit of a listen to there acclaimed album "el Poeta del Ruido" on this site. You have to scroll down a little to find it. voltagecontrolledtechnicolor.blogspot.com/ |
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Apsalar
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 06 2006 Location: gansu Status: Offline Points: 2888 |
Posted: July 08 2006 at 09:23 | |||||
Thanks vogre for all the information, have been having some real trouble trying to find any information whatsoever on the band so this is a good start. I will have a read through the Record Heaven article sometime soon. A lot of read but I interested in this scene so I think it is going to be work my while.
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vogre
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 14 2005 Location: Israel Status: Offline Points: 189 |
Posted: July 08 2006 at 08:38 | |||||
The small bits I could find:
From what I've read it appears that Bugbear is a reissue of the s/t with bonus tracks\live versions.
While searching I found that Joy Of The Wrecked ship is available on ReR Megacorp.
If you wish also to listen to some of their music, PM me.
Never heard of the Kollektief. Will have to check them out.
As you have said the bonus tracks are interesting only from historical point of view, as the Art Zoyd of then is close to the Captain Beefheart music. So, if you don't really need three seperate CDs, and there isn't much difference between the prices, there is no reason for you not to buy the boxset. Edited by vogre - July 08 2006 at 08:44 |
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Apsalar
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 06 2006 Location: gansu Status: Offline Points: 2888 |
Posted: July 07 2006 at 21:09 | |||||
Even though I don't not have this boxset it does seem like a great deal, especially with the bouns material. Though to tell you the truth I an not one to be drawn in by this sort of thing, most of the time I never end up listening to all the bonus extras. Unforunately I don't have the first three albums in CD format yet. I have most of there CD's in other formats and have been slowly picking up albums here and there. But I would have to stay their first three albums contain some of their best material they have produced (in light of the Chamber rock side of things). So what I am trying to say is I don't think you can go wrong with this boxset. |
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Apsalar
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 06 2006 Location: gansu Status: Offline Points: 2888 |
Posted: July 07 2006 at 19:00 | |||||
Thank you, Joren for going into such indepth detail about all the works you own. I did find the time to read it, being a big John Zorn fan. I only have 5 of his albums, most of which I enjoy immensely (even if I have give some of them quite low ratings on here), but that being said his stuff is not for everybody.
Try giving Pool some more time, his game pieces are really something that take a lot of time and dedication to appreciate fully. They are unknown territory in contemporary music. I own Cobra which is his third game piece if I remember correctly. I think it took me a good two years to get into this album now even though I enjoy it greatly it is not one of those albums you would put into the player for days on end. I have done a review for this album and in hidesight am probably lucky to make it out the other side with my sanity. When reviewing it I listen to the album on repeat for a whole day which I would not recommend anybody test out for themselves. Other than this Game piece I have a few albums which seem to tend towards the Art Rock side of things. These being "The Big Gun Down" and the seconded in the 'Romance series', which are both very commendable albums. This is a very good guide to John Zorns material and has from what I have seen he has done a lot of experimental works with the ideals of pushing the boundries of instrumental technical and these are not the place to start with his works. It seems we have a few John Zorn fanatics around here, so if you put all our information together we may be able to come up with a very complete ideal of all the works he has done over the years. I must wish you luck with your holiday task, it seems like you have a busy time ahead of you. If there very comes time when you need some help I'm sure there are many people on this thread who are will to give a helping hand. |
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Apsalar
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 06 2006 Location: gansu Status: Offline Points: 2888 |
Posted: July 07 2006 at 18:37 | |||||
Ah... I have been waiting for somebody with the knowledge of this album. Back many pages ago we were having the discussion about Zypressen the Chamber Rock group somewhat similar to Art Zoyd. While I was doing a bit of research about the band I stumbled across this band Lacrymosa and heard they were likened to Zypressen. If it is not too much trouble do you think you could go into a little more detail about this band. Do they have two albums out? or is this the only one? Any information about the band would be more than appreciated.
Unforunately I have not brought the new album yet. I'm still trying the catch up on everything I missed over the years. I was a late starter into the world of Art Zoyd, but it has done nothing but make me falling love with their music. The lastest album I have by them is "Metropolis" which I enjoy thoroughly. So as you can see I enjoy both sides of there music, the earlier Chamber rock ablums along with there latter more electronic film music. I have been meaning for a while to watch some of the films they have done sound tracks for as sometimes while listening to these later albums I feel I am missing an integral part of their music by not doing so. There is no band I would love to see live more. They have play at the Adelaide festival (which is in Australia), but unforunately I was not into their music when they were over here last. I'm hoping they still come over to Australia soon for the festival as I have heard their live shows are beyond amazing. I'm sure you lurk around the Art Zoyd site as much as I do, but I have been been reading a lot of the articles about their live productions, it is amazing the time and effort they put into these shows. I love the whole artistic arua that is present about the band. After reading what there putting together for the live show of LE CHAMP DES LARMES I have no doubt this is an amazing album. Also good to see another RIO fanatic has joined the thread, from what I have seen you are going to fit in very nicely here. Edited by Black Velvet - July 07 2006 at 18:38 |
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Apsalar
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 06 2006 Location: gansu Status: Offline Points: 2888 |
Posted: July 07 2006 at 18:11 | |||||
Haha... he most likely does not have a reputatution outside, it probably just me. I only stumble upon him by accident I was searching Lastfm for minimalist piano composers and stumble on a thread solely dedicated to these types of composers. After doing a lot of searching he turned out to be one of my favourite ones. Unforunately I have not been able to get my hands on anything, as I mostly rely on what my store has in or is able to order and he doesn't seem to be available through either method. Yes I think you should get around to watching "Goodbye Lenin" something everybody should watch both coming from the film in general and the music. I will not tell you what it is about, I assume you already know so I don't want to spoil anything for you. Hmmm... that sounds like a wonderful concert. This is not live but I have seen somebody play their guitar with a drill before, you never know it could have been footage of the concert you went to. Thanks for the information abotu King Crimson I will give them another good, maybe not right now as there is so much new stuff on my list thank to this thread. I will get back to you soon what I think about Douwe Eisenga. |
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chamberry
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Posted: July 07 2006 at 17:58 | |||||
This thread moves awfully fast . I agree I don't know alot of the RIO genre, but my curiosity for wierd music is always on the go and have some fairly good albums.
I think I'll get Moonchild next since it has Mike Patton (wich is a pluss for me). Thanks guys. |
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Joren
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 07 2004 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 6667 |
Posted: July 07 2006 at 16:21 | |||||
Right, this
is it. I’ll talk about the John Zorn albums I know and which I can recommend. I
have read in this thread that some people might be interested in this, so I
hope this will be of help. Here it goes. (1980) - Pool (1983) - Locus Solus (1983, 1986) - The Classic Guide To Strategy - Volumes One & Two (1987) - Spillane
(1990) - Naked City (1995) (Dekoboko Hajime) & Yamantaka Eye - Nani Nani
(1996) - Film Works V - Tears Of Ecstacy (1996) - Film Works VI - 1996
(2001) - The Gift (2001) - Songs From The Hermetic Theater (2002) - Film Works XII - 2002 Volume Two - Three Documentaries (2004) - 50th Birthday Celebration Volume 4 - Electric Masada (2006) - Film Works XVII - Notes On Marie Menken - Ray Bandar - A Life With
Skulls (2006) (Mark Feldman and Sylvie Courvoisier) - Malphas - Book Of Angels Volume
3 (2006) - Moonchild In
addition, I own Naked City (2002) -
Live, Vol. 1 - Knitting Factory 1989. It’s basically the Naked City album
performed live, with some extra material. Not as tight as the studio album, but
the differences from the studio album are of course the reason why a fan would
buy this. If you like the Naked City album already, then this is a good
purchase, but I would buy some of Zorn’s other music first, to get a better
impression of the different aspects of his career. I have also
listened a few times to Masada 5 - Hei
and I really like it, but I don’t own it yet. I have also heard some Painkiller, but it’s too early for me
to say much about that, except that it’s loud (but you probably knew that
already ). Joren PS: Now my
holiday has begun, I recommenced my work at John Zorn's dicography on
ProgArchives. (Avestin already knows this, but I thought the rest of you might
also want to know.) A while ago, I had added a lot of albums without track
listings or other information. Two days ago I started to add this missing
information. I'm almost done with that. Then there are three more things to do.
1: I shall look at the additions somebody else has made (one member under the
name of silentman has added a large number of albums), and update them where
necessary, to make sure all the info is correct and in the same layout as the
rest of the dicography. 2: I shall complete the dicography; quite a few albums
are still missing. 3: I will add individual entries for some side projects,
most notably Naked City and Painkiller. I intend to keep the Masada albums
where they are. After that, I will probably (finally) add some RIO/Avant/Zeuhl
bands. In other words, do what I'm supposed to do as a member of the
RIO/Avant/Zeuhl team. Edited by Joren - July 07 2006 at 16:23 |
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Joren
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Posted: July 07 2006 at 16:17 | |||||
Are the first three albums available seperately? I didn't know that. Are you sure? I only found the 2CD set (I got it when I saw Art Zoyd in concert). The bonus tracks are pretty nice, and interesting from a historical point of view, but they are by far not as good as the music on the albums themselves. Edited by Joren - July 08 2006 at 09:00 |
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avestin
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Posted: July 07 2006 at 15:21 | |||||
Yeah, that is what VOgre wrote: "Flat Earth Society - Psychoscout (2006)
Another album from the belgish X-Legged Sally sister big-band. Lots of fun with this one, with some more serious themes as well." |
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The Hemulen
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Posted: July 07 2006 at 15:20 | |||||
Aren't Flat Earth Society an offshoot of X-Legged Sally (or at least related in some way)?
Yep. Just checked. Very comparable sound too, judging by the samples. May have to gets me some... Edited by Trouserpress - July 07 2006 at 15:23 |
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