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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 09:02
How are enjoying Mister Greem, Joren?
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About Taal: I changed my mind and I think they are better off in Art Rock after all. The Prog Reviewers and other Collaborators are currently discussing their position at my request (fueled by the Taal thread). We'll see what happens after voting.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 06:17
Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

Thank you, Joren for going into such indepth detail about all the works you own. I did find the time to read it, being a big John Zorn fan. I only have 5 of his albums, most of which I enjoy immensely (even if I have give some of them quite low ratings on here), but that being said his stuff is not for everybody.

Try giving Pool some more time, his game pieces are really something that take a lot of time and dedication to appreciate fully. They are unknown territory in contemporary music. I own Cobra which is his third game piece if I remember correctly. I think it took me a good two years to get into this album now even though I enjoy it greatly it is not one of those albums you would put into the player for days on end. I have done a review for this album and in hidesight am probably lucky to make it out the other side with my sanity. When reviewing it I listen to the album on repeat for a whole day which I would not recommend anybody test out for themselves.

Other than this Game piece I have a few albums which seem to tend towards the Art Rock side of things. These being "The Big Gun Down" and the seconded in the 'Romance series', which are both very commendable albums.

This is a very good guide to John Zorns material and has from what I have seen he has done a lot of experimental works with the ideals of pushing the boundries of instrumental technical and these are not the place to start with his works.

It seems we have a few John Zorn fanatics around here, so if you put all our information together we may be able to come up with a very complete ideal of all the works he has done over the years. I must wish you luck with your holiday task, it seems like you have a busy time ahead of you. If there very comes time when you need some help I'm sure there are many people on this thread who are will to give a helping hand.   


I'll keep on trying witht the game pieces, I'll keep on trying. Wink I will read your reviews as well; it should be interesting to read about another "fan"'s view on things.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 06:14
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Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

My heart just skipped a beat them when you stated Douwe Eisenga has been likened to "Simeon ten Holt meets Yann Tiersen", that is going to be one hell of a sound. Simeon ten Holt is one of my favourite composers, I have a huge soft spot for pianists and minimalism so mixing the two together I was bound to like his work. When I first read over Yann Tiersen name it didn't mean much but was playing on my mind, then the mention of those two fantastic movies sparked my memory. I will have to watch Amelie sometime today to refresh myself on the specific style but I remember enjoying the soundtrack immensely (alongside the movie)... lust is the first word which comes to mind. It has been too long since I have seen "Goodbye Lenin" to comment on my thoughts about the pieces played in the movie.

I will have to give King Crimson another try. I have "In The Court of the Crimson King" and "Red" I heard so many RIO/avant prog artist likened to them, that I think it would be a shame if I were to let a band like this just slip by.     
Funny that you know Simeon ten Holt. I know him by name, but I don't really know his music (I have heard some, but I don't exactly remember - about time to refresh! ). Moreover, I didn't know he had some kind of reputation outide the Netherlands; I thought Louis Andriessen was much more well-known. About Yann Tiersen: I haven't seen Goodbye Lenin yet (shame on me, again), but I have seen Le Fabuleux Destin D'Amélie Poulin and I really liked that movie (AND the music). I recently saw Yann Tiersen live, on a festival for music that combined modern classical music and populare music. His concert was really good, but not fantastic. More important to mention, most of the stuff was nothing like the Amélie soundtrack. It was more like alternative/experimental rock, and I didn't know he played that kind of music as well (it was with a band). Pretty nice stuff... it was especially funny to see (and hear) one guy playing his electric guitar with an electrical drill.Anyway, I hope you like Douwe Eisenga.About King Crimson: you might want to try their "Larks' Tongues In Aspic" album, for the title track is one of their most experimental pieces of music. My personal favourite is "Discipline", but it has a lesser connection with Avant-Prog. King Crimson are influenced by the Talking Heads on that one, while keeping a distinctive own sound. But for now that's irrelevant; I think "Larks' Tongues" is the album that might get you "into" King Crimson.



Haha... he most likely does not have a reputatution outside, it probably just me. I only stumble upon him by accident I was searching Lastfm for minimalist piano composers and stumble on a thread solely dedicated to these types of composers. After doing a lot of searching he turned out to be one of my favourite ones. Unforunately I have not been able to get my hands on anything, as I mostly rely on what my store has in or is able to order and he doesn't seem to be available through either method.

Yes I think you should get around to watching "Goodbye Lenin" something everybody should watch both coming from the film in general and the music. I will not tell you what it is about, I assume you already know so I don't want to spoil anything for you.

Hmmm... that sounds like a wonderful concert. This is not live but I have seen somebody play their guitar with a drill before, you never know it could have been footage of the concert you went to.

Thanks for the information abotu King Crimson I will give them another good, maybe not right now as there is so much new stuff on my list thank to this thread.

I will get back to you soon what I think about Douwe Eisenga.
    


The internet certainly makes the world a lot smaller... somebody in Australia listening to Simeon ten Holt and Douwe Eisenga... who would've though it.

About the concert with the drill: it was not filmed, so you must've seen some other show. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 06:12
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In light of DallasBryan's recommendation of Material I thought this link could be of some interest.

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In light of DallasBryan's recommendation of Material I thought this link could be of some interest.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2006 at 17:13
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Originally posted by eugene eugene wrote:

Originally posted by Root Pepper Root Pepper wrote:

I am a HUGE HUGE HUGE Zorn fan. I could talk endlessly about him, and there's endless places to begin. If I can assist about Zorn in any way, I'd love too.
 
Ok then, maybe it's wrong to ask "HUGE HUGE HUGE Zorn fan", but what is your opinion about his Duo with Fred Frith, which I was talking about above. To me it sounds like guys taking a "micky" - I mean there is no music there and it sounds like a joke or something.
 
  


I think it's a REALLY awful idea to buy Zorn recordings on a whim. They cover every angle. I learned too that you never really just see a Zorn album in the store, form a preconcept of what it will be, and then buy it. If you're going to get some Zorn without knowing what it'll be beforehand, don't allow other musical ideas to get in your head. I don't own this recording myself because it's far too noisy for my liking, but I don't think it's any less of an album. It's a 100% improvised show Frith and Zorn did, and it's quite an interesting recording - just not worth enough repeated listens to own. For future reference, definitely sample Zorn recordings on amazon.com or something of the like before buying. His 50th ann. series vary all over the place, much of which are improvised noise like shows. Some crash and burn, but others, such as Hemophiliac or Painkiller (vol.s 6 an 12), shine brilliantly. This post is a little rushed (I have to be somewhere very soon!) but I hope it answers your question! I wanted to get back to you as quickly as possible.
 
Well, thanks RP. If HUGE fan finds it to be "not worth enough repeated listens to own" and "noise like show" - I guess my first impresion was quite correct. I have no slightest regret in buying it - just wanted to check other people's opinion about it. It is far too noisy for my likings too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2006 at 17:06
Originally posted by eugene eugene wrote:

Originally posted by Root Pepper Root Pepper wrote:

I am a HUGE HUGE HUGE Zorn fan. I could talk endlessly about him, and there's endless places to begin. If I can assist about Zorn in any way, I'd love too.
 
Ok then, maybe it's wrong to ask "HUGE HUGE HUGE Zorn fan", but what is your opinion about his Duo with Fred Frith, which I was talking about above. To me it sounds like guys taking a "micky" - I mean there is no music there and it sounds like a joke or something.
 
  


I think it's a REALLY awful idea to buy Zorn recordings on a whim. They cover every angle. I learned too that you never really just see a Zorn album in the store, form a preconcept of what it will be, and then buy it. If you're going to get some Zorn without knowing what it'll be beforehand, don't allow other musical ideas to get in your head. I don't own this recording myself because it's far too noisy for my liking, but I don't think it's any less of an album. It's a 100% improvised show Frith and Zorn did, and it's quite an interesting recording - just not worth enough repeated listens to own. For future reference, definitely sample Zorn recordings on amazon.com or something of the like before buying. His 50th ann. series vary all over the place, much of which are improvised noise like shows. Some crash and burn, but others, such as Hemophiliac or Painkiller (vol.s 6 an 12), shine brilliantly. This post is a little rushed (I have to be somewhere very soon!) but I hope it answers your question! I wanted to get back to you as quickly as possible.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2006 at 09:29
I would like to bring to the attention to the Mexican RIO band called Decibel. For what I can see they are not the site but from what I have read they were one of the bands to join the moment.

Here is a little bit of information aboout the band, all four of their albums are available from:

www.forcedexposure.com

"A Chamber/Experimental/RIO & Progressive rock band from Mexico. The band started in 1974 as a trio and then they became a sextet. The band were influenced by European acts like Magma, Faust, Henry Cow and also by Avant-Garde composers like Pierre Henry, Kagel, Stockhausen. In 1978 they recorded their masterpiece 'El Poeta Del Ruido' which is considered by many as a Masterpiece. They evolved then into Nazca and only in the 90's formed back. The box set features a 28 pages booklet in a thick carton box with three CD's (Each more then 74 minutes). CD #1 is made from the 70's and featured for the 1st time the complete unedited 'El Poeta Del Ruido', Unreleased UNAM sessions which one of them was on the ReR sampler and never on CD plus the 1st RIO Festival live performance. CD #2 features the 90's material including the bands favorite improvised album Furtuna Virilis and other unreleased material. CD #3 is a new live performance of new material never on CD and with great interest plus 30 minutes if Archives from the 1977-1978."

Also if people are interested you are able to have a bit of a listen to there acclaimed album "el Poeta del Ruido" on this site. You have to scroll down a little to find it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2006 at 09:23
Thanks vogre for all the information, have been having some real trouble trying to find any information whatsoever on the band so this is a good start. I will have a read through the Record Heaven article sometime soon. A lot of read but I interested in this scene so I think it is going to be work my while.


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Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

Ah... I have been waiting for somebody with the knowledge of this album. Back many pages ago we were having the discussion about Zypressen the Chamber Rock group somewhat similar to Art Zoyd. While I was doing a bit of research about the band I stumbled across this band Lacrymosa and heard they were likened to Zypressen. If it is not too much trouble do you think you could go into a little more detail about this band. Do they have two albums out? or is this the only one? Any information about the band would be more than appreciated.
The small bits I could find:
Quote Lacrymosa – these guys played a mostly sedate form of RIO that leans towards chamber music, but with a bit of an avant-garde edge. They’re often compared to Univers Zero. They released several albums that I know of, ‘Lacrymosa’ [1984], ‘Bugbear’ [1984], ‘Gishin Onki’ [1985] and ‘Joy Of The Wrecked Ship’ [1994].
Quote Chihiro S.: bass, fretless bass, e-bow, voc, perc
Masa Sasaki: drums, perc
Mitsuo Koshiba: alt sax, bass clarinet, ac guit
Ayumi Matsui: violin
Satoshi Watanabe: flute, wind synth
Takeshi Naganuma: perc, drums, gloken, tabla
Keiko Koyama, Kozue Ueda:voc
Hiroyuki Ikebe: el piano, CS 15, harpsichord
Naohiro Yamazaki: piano
Tsuyoshi Nakagawa: recorder
 
Quote LACRYMOSA - Lacrymosa 1st (LLE 1008) 1984, LP
LACRYMOSA - Bugbear (SSE-8021, LLE-D001) 1994, CD
LACRYMOSA - Joy of the Wrecked Ship (SSE-4033, LLE-D002) 1994, CD
From what I've read it appears that Bugbear is a reissue of the s/t with bonus tracks\live versions.
While searching I found that Joy Of The Wrecked ship is available on ReR Megacorp.
If you wish also to listen to some of their music, PM me.
 
Originally posted by Joren Joren wrote:

Hi vogre! Nice to see that more and more people are joining this thread. Impressive list you've got there. I have only heard Flat Earth Society myself. I remember they sounded quite a bit like the Willem Breuker Kollektief. Do you agree with that?
Never heard of the Kollektief. Will have to check them out.

Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

I have not made my mind on whether I shuold buy their first 3 albums seperately or in the Boxset where there is additional bonus songs.

What say you , dear fellows?
As you have said the bonus tracks are interesting only from historical point of view, as the Art Zoyd of then is close to the Captain Beefheart music. So, if you don't really need three seperate CDs, and there isn't much difference between the prices, there is no reason for you not to buy the boxset.


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Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:


 

You lucky man  

 

I have not made my mind on whether I shuold buy their first 3 albums seperately or in the Boxset where there is additional bonus songs.

What say you , dear fellows?
Are the first three albums available seperately? I didn't know that. Are you sure?I only found the boxset (I got it when I saw Art Zoyd in concert). The bonus tracks on the 2CD set are pretty nice, and interesting from a historical point of view, but they are by far not as good as the music on the albums themselves.


Even though I don't not have this boxset it does seem like a great deal, especially with the bouns material. Though to tell you the truth I an not one to be drawn in by this sort of thing, most of the time I never end up listening to all the bonus extras. Unforunately I don't have the first three albums in CD format yet. I have most of there CD's in other formats and have been slowly picking up albums here and there. But I would have to stay their first three albums contain some of their best material they have produced (in light of the Chamber rock side of things). So what I am trying to say is I don't think you can go wrong with this boxset.
    
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Thank you, Joren for going into such indepth detail about all the works you own. I did find the time to read it, being a big John Zorn fan. I only have 5 of his albums, most of which I enjoy immensely (even if I have give some of them quite low ratings on here), but that being said his stuff is not for everybody.

Try giving Pool some more time, his game pieces are really something that take a lot of time and dedication to appreciate fully. They are unknown territory in contemporary music. I own Cobra which is his third game piece if I remember correctly. I think it took me a good two years to get into this album now even though I enjoy it greatly it is not one of those albums you would put into the player for days on end. I have done a review for this album and in hidesight am probably lucky to make it out the other side with my sanity. When reviewing it I listen to the album on repeat for a whole day which I would not recommend anybody test out for themselves.

Other than this Game piece I have a few albums which seem to tend towards the Art Rock side of things. These being "The Big Gun Down" and the seconded in the 'Romance series', which are both very commendable albums.

This is a very good guide to John Zorns material and has from what I have seen he has done a lot of experimental works with the ideals of pushing the boundries of instrumental technical and these are not the place to start with his works.

It seems we have a few John Zorn fanatics around here, so if you put all our information together we may be able to come up with a very complete ideal of all the works he has done over the years. I must wish you luck with your holiday task, it seems like you have a busy time ahead of you. If there very comes time when you need some help I'm sure there are many people on this thread who are will to give a helping hand.   
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Lacrymosa - Joy Of The Wrecked Ship (1993)A japanese chamber-rock band, which plays energetic music with many  acoustic instruments.



Ah... I have been waiting for somebody with the knowledge of this album. Back many pages ago we were having the discussion about Zypressen the Chamber Rock group somewhat similar to Art Zoyd. While I was doing a bit of research about the band I stumbled across this band Lacrymosa and heard they were likened to Zypressen. If it is not too much trouble do you think you could go into a little more detail about this band. Do they have two albums out? or is this the only one? Any information about the band would be more than appreciated.

Quote
By the way has anyone heard the last Art Zoyd album Le Champ Des Larmes or excited about the release? Or am I the only Art Zoyd junkie here?


Unforunately I have not brought the new album yet. I'm still trying the catch up on everything I missed over the years. I was a late starter into the world of Art Zoyd, but it has done nothing but make me falling love with their music. The lastest album I have by them is "Metropolis" which I enjoy thoroughly. So as you can see I enjoy both sides of there music, the earlier Chamber rock ablums along with there latter more electronic film music. I have been meaning for a while to watch some of the films they have done sound tracks for as sometimes while listening to these later albums I feel I am missing an integral part of their music by not doing so.

There is no band I would love to see live more. They have play at the Adelaide festival (which is in Australia), but unforunately I was not into their music when they were over here last. I'm hoping they still come over to Australia soon for the festival as I have heard their live shows are beyond amazing.

I'm sure you lurk around the Art Zoyd site as much as I do, but I have been been reading a lot of the articles about their live productions, it is amazing the time and effort they put into these shows. I love the whole artistic arua that is present about the band. After reading what there putting together for the live show of LE CHAMP DES LARMES I have no doubt this is an amazing album.   

Also good to see another RIO fanatic has joined the thread, from what I have seen you are going to fit in very nicely here.
    
    

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Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

My heart just skipped a beat them when you stated Douwe Eisenga has been likened to "Simeon ten Holt meets Yann Tiersen", that is going to be one hell of a sound. Simeon ten Holt is one of my favourite composers, I have a huge soft spot for pianists and minimalism so mixing the two together I was bound to like his work. When I first read over Yann Tiersen name it didn't mean much but was playing on my mind, then the mention of those two fantastic movies sparked my memory. I will have to watch Amelie sometime today to refresh myself on the specific style but I remember enjoying the soundtrack immensely (alongside the movie)... lust is the first word which comes to mind. It has been too long since I have seen "Goodbye Lenin" to comment on my thoughts about the pieces played in the movie.

I will have to give King Crimson another try. I have "In The Court of the Crimson King" and "Red" I heard so many RIO/avant prog artist likened to them, that I think it would be a shame if I were to let a band like this just slip by.     
Funny that you know Simeon ten Holt. I know him by name, but I don't really know his music (I have heard some, but I don't exactly remember - about time to refresh! ). Moreover, I didn't know he had some kind of reputation outide the Netherlands; I thought Louis Andriessen was much more well-known. About Yann Tiersen: I haven't seen Goodbye Lenin yet (shame on me, again), but I have seen Le Fabuleux Destin D'Amélie Poulin and I really liked that movie (AND the music). I recently saw Yann Tiersen live, on a festival for music that combined modern classical music and populare music. His concert was really good, but not fantastic. More important to mention, most of the stuff was nothing like the Amélie soundtrack. It was more like alternative/experimental rock, and I didn't know he played that kind of music as well (it was with a band). Pretty nice stuff... it was especially funny to see (and hear) one guy playing his electric guitar with an electrical drill.Anyway, I hope you like Douwe Eisenga.About King Crimson: you might want to try their "Larks' Tongues In Aspic" album, for the title track is one of their most experimental pieces of music. My personal favourite is "Discipline", but it has a lesser connection with Avant-Prog. King Crimson are influenced by the Talking Heads on that one, while keeping a distinctive own sound. But for now that's irrelevant; I think "Larks' Tongues" is the album that might get you "into" King Crimson.



Haha... he most likely does not have a reputatution outside, it probably just me. I only stumble upon him by accident I was searching Lastfm for minimalist piano composers and stumble on a thread solely dedicated to these types of composers. After doing a lot of searching he turned out to be one of my favourite ones. Unforunately I have not been able to get my hands on anything, as I mostly rely on what my store has in or is able to order and he doesn't seem to be available through either method.

Yes I think you should get around to watching "Goodbye Lenin" something everybody should watch both coming from the film in general and the music. I will not tell you what it is about, I assume you already know so I don't want to spoil anything for you.

Hmmm... that sounds like a wonderful concert. This is not live but I have seen somebody play their guitar with a drill before, you never know it could have been footage of the concert you went to.

Thanks for the information abotu King Crimson I will give them another good, maybe not right now as there is so much new stuff on my list thank to this thread.

I will get back to you soon what I think about Douwe Eisenga.
    
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2006 at 17:58
This thread moves awfully fast LOL. I agree I don't know alot of the RIO genre, but my curiosity for wierd music is always on the go and have some fairly good albums.
I think I'll get Moonchild next since it has Mike Patton (wich is a pluss for me). Thanks guys.

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Right, this is it. I’ll talk about the John Zorn albums I know and which I can recommend. I have read in this thread that some people might be interested in this, so I hope this will be of help. Smile Here it goes.

These are the ones I own:

(1980) - Pool
I have only played this once yet, and I can’t say I really “get” it. I’ll keep on trying though. Pool is his earliest “solo” release and, like most of his early works, it is a game piece. It features a group of people improvising, but with a set of rules or something. It’s clear that I don’t fully get this either. The mathematical liner notes don’t make it easier. I think I’ll soon dive into the world of his game pieces and try to figure out what it’s all about. Not recommended to newcomers, but essential for people interested in the development of Zorn’s music. For the ear, this is best compared to free jazz improvisation I think, but apparently that’s not the way this music comes to be.

(1983) - Locus Solus
This is also very crazy stuff, but it is definitely more accessible than Pool. Very noisy, and at times comparable to the most crazy stuff that Zappa did with the early Mothers. Because it’s so noisy (and also includes sproken word), it has some similarities with Smegma as well. Free jazz/avant-noise… Not for beginners either.

(1983, 1986) - The Classic Guide To Strategy - Volumes One & Two
John Zorn on saxes, clarinets and gamecalls. It’s a solo free jazz improvisation album, so in that aspect comparable to Peter Brötzmann’s 14 Love Poems. Both reed-players have a different style though. This is a very difficult to listen to as well, but I like this better than Pool or Locus Solus. Still not recommended to newcomers though. Only for people who already like extreme free jazz.

(1987) - Spillane
Just got it; haven’t listened to it yet.

(1990) - Naked City
My first John Zorn album and also the only one I have reviewed yet. Masterpiece. For more info see my review.

(1995) (Dekoboko Hajime) & Yamantaka Eye - Nani Nani
Just got it; haven’t listened
to it yet.

(1996) - Film Works V - Tears Of Ecstacy
The first album I got from the Film Works series. Very eclectical. All different kinds of music (surf/noise/jazz/world/metal) written for a music about aliens having anal sex (if I recall correctly from the liner notes). I still have to see this movie! The music is very nice, but Zorn has released better stuff, also in the Film Works series.

(1996) - Film Works VI - 1996
Just got it; haven’t listened
to it yet.

(2001) - The Gift
A strange one for Zorn, because it’s not scary or agressive in any way. A nice collection of surf/easy listening/world/jazz tunes, mostly guitar-driven. Only two track sound a bit foreboding, one of them including vocals by Mike Patton. Apart from that, the music is very relaxing. Of course there always has to be something disturbing, so Zorn included some pretty provocative artwork inside the deceptively innocent-looking package. A nice album, which shows Zorn’s soft side. Not one of my favourites, but worth checking out if the description appeals to you.

(2001) - Songs From The Hermetic Theater
This is the real meat. Including one ear-splitting piece of electronic music and one ear-splitting piece of computer music (are those mouse-clicks I’m hearing?), this probably features some of the most annoying music ever recorded. I love it. The other tracks are a foreboding and rumbling tribute to filmmaker Maya Deren and a tribute to artist Joseph Beuys. The latter is absolutely beautiful. It features numerous everyday objects (such as metal pipes, honey, mud, pencil, lightbulb etc.) used as musical instruments, together with a few conventional instruments. The result is a fascinating piece that, just like a radio play, evokes images. This CD is both challenging and beautiful. I recommend it, but only to very adventurous listeners.

(2002) - Film Works XII - 2002 Volume Two - Three Documentaries
Now this is the CD that I would most highly recommend. It’s accessible, beautiful and still challenging to the ear. Featuring the scores to three short films, the music is diverse, but not without a flow. The music for the first film is varied. The music for the second film is focused on beautiful guitar music. I once read somewhere that Morricone taught Zorn that you only need one theme to write a complete soundtrack. There is indeed one theme that runs through the score here, and I don’t get tired of it. The music for the third film is focused on the cello. Both quiet and intense music. In short, this is my favourite Film Works release and one of my favourite JZ CD’s overall. Highly recommended.

(2004) - 50th Birthday Celebration Volume 4 - Electric Masada
Excellent live fusion album. Masada with electrical power. If you’re not sure which Zorn album to get next, and you’re a fusion fan, get this one.

(2006) - Film Works XVII - Notes On Marie Menken - Ray Bandar - A Life With Skulls
Some guitar music in the same vein as Film Works XII here, together with some music for percussion. Also featured are a free jazz piece, and a piece of “ambient jazz” (or something), that sounds a bit like Masada meets Nils Petter Molvær. Very good, but not as good as Film Works XII.

(2006) (Mark Feldman and Sylvie Courvoisier) - Malphas - Book Of Angels Volume 3
This is beautiful. A selection of songs from one of the Masada songbooks, the Book Of Angels, performed by Mark Feldman and Sylvie Courvoisier (violin and piano, respectively). I was so lucky to see Feldman and Courvoisier perform it live two months ago, together with some other work of Zorn. It was one of the best concerts I had ever attended (lucky, lucky b*****d!). Soon afterwards I got this CD. It’s not as good as the concert, but close. Very passionate performance. Recommended.

(2006) - Moonchild
This is the most recent John Zorn release. Completely the opposite of the previous CD, Malphas, this is Mike Patton, Trevor Dunn and Joey Baron playing eleven “songs without words”. Very noisy, loud and aggressive assault of occult hardcore/rock/metal. If you love Naked City and Fantômas, this is for you.

In addition, I own Naked City (2002) - Live, Vol. 1 - Knitting Factory 1989. It’s basically the Naked City album performed live, with some extra material. Not as tight as the studio album, but the differences from the studio album are of course the reason why a fan would buy this. If you like the Naked City album already, then this is a good purchase, but I would buy some of Zorn’s other music first, to get a better impression of the different aspects of his career.

I have also listened a few times to Masada 5 - Hei and I really like it, but I don’t own it yet. I have also heard some Painkiller, but it’s too early for me to say much about that, except that it’s loud (but you probably knew that already LOL).


Phew, that sure took a lot of energy to write. Sleepy I hope some of you found the energy to read it as well and maybe even find it useful. Good luck and have fun exploring John Zorn’s catalogue! Tongue

Joren


PS: Now my holiday has begun, I recommenced my work at John Zorn's dicography on ProgArchives. (Avestin already knows this, but I thought the rest of you might also want to know.) A while ago, I had added a lot of albums without track listings or other information. Two days ago I started to add this missing information. I'm almost done with that. Then there are three more things to do. 1: I shall look at the additions somebody else has made (one member under the name of silentman has added a large number of albums), and update them where necessary, to make sure all the info is correct and in the same layout as the rest of the dicography. 2: I shall complete the dicography; quite a few albums are still missing. 3: I will add individual entries for some side projects, most notably Naked City and Painkiller. I intend to keep the Masada albums where they are. After that, I will probably (finally) add some RIO/Avant/Zeuhl bands. In other words, do what I'm supposed to do as a member of the RIO/Avant/Zeuhl team. LOL WinkLOLWink

PPS: One more thing: Next Wednesday I’m going to see John Zorn and Masada live in Rotterdam (same place where I saw Art Zoyd last year). I’m so excited!!!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2006 at 16:17
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:


 
You lucky man Shocked LOL
 
I have not made my mind on whether I shuold buy their first 3 albums seperately or in the Boxset where there is additional bonus songs.
What say you , dear fellows?


Are the first three albums available seperately? I didn't know that. Are you sure?

I only found the 2CD set (I got it when I saw Art Zoyd in concert). The bonus tracks are pretty nice, and interesting from a historical point of view, but they are by far not as good as the music on the albums themselves.


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Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

Aren't Flat Earth Society an offshoot of X-Legged Sally (or at least related in some way).
 
Yeah, that is what VOgre wrote:  "Flat Earth Society - Psychoscout (2006)
Another album from the belgish X-Legged Sally sister big-band. Lots of fun with this one, with some more serious themes as well."
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Aren't Flat Earth Society an offshoot of X-Legged Sally (or at least related in some way)?
 
Yep. Just checked. Very comparable sound too, judging by the samples. May have to gets me some... Big smile


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