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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2006 at 14:22
A few recommendations, based on what I've listened to today:
 
John Zorn - Spy Vs. Spy - The Music Of Ornette Coleman
 
John here teams with Tim Berne(he's a good guy), and a rhythm section of a bassist and a couple of drummers. What you get on this record is intense playing of 17 Ornette Coleman's songs, with grindcore energy and prog-rock precision. While the concept is fun, it is pretty hard to make it through the whole record, because they rarely slow down or change the sounding. But what especially shines on this record is... the sax playing! The base melodies by ornette are very playful, and the improvisations rarely sounded better. The drumming is intense as well. Overall it doesn't have the wide range of styles covered by other bands, or anything to do with avantgarde music, but it is a very good record in it's style.
 
Patricia Dallio - Barbe Bleue
A solo album, by pianist and composer from Art Zoyd. Apparently it is a score for a play based on 'the Blue Beard'(or whatever that tale was called). This fact however does not limit the music at all as it's superb. Constructed of rather short movements which move between 1 till 8 minutes, with occasional vocals reading texts, but mostly instrumental. A look at the credits reveals that Patricio is responsible for programming, samplers and keyboards, and only a few singers working on the project. And the results are surprising since the works features many moods, sounds and has strong compositions with only her behind this all. Impressive to say the least! So, a question you've been asking until now: how close to Art Zoyd does it sound, and the answer is, that the music is in the same territory as late Art Zoyd's, but much more gentle and balanced between the electronics and the acoustic instruments, never going into unnecessary 'sound explorations.' Planning to listen to more of her work, and recommending this album to everyone.
 
Anthony Braxton - Five Compositions (Quartet), 1986
This was interesting because in Zorn's biography I've read that Anthony Braxton was an inspiration for John. The music here is somewhere between jazz and modern classical. The musique can be called unique, both because the compositions are of very unusual form, and the overall sound is unusual. Problem 'getting' the music on this album is that unlike some avant garde music which often aims to hit you in the face, this music simply goes somewhere, and what you hear is the path Anthony Braxton walks by, it is never as it was before but not in an entirely new place either. Anyways, he seems to be a very important figure in music, and you should check him out.
 
Mephista - Entomological Reflections
A trio of Susie Ibarra(drums), Sylvie Courvoisier(piano) and Ikue Mori(electronics). This is dense and experimental music from three masters in their respective fields. Released on Tzadik, this music completely fits, it is unclassifiable, experimental, having both improvisation and composition, mixed up and coming with something completely unique. While could have sounded like a big mess, the girls play very tight, while constantly experimentating, like playing inside the piano, or applying electronics to others playing to produce unusual results. It seems to be a short record, but one song could be nightmarishly long for those who do not 'understand'.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 22:18
PM me if you would like to check them out. Wink

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 22:14
Originally posted by Joren Joren wrote:

Originally posted by chamberry chamberry wrote:

Decibel is a good band. Although I have heard the albums two times, I've noticed they have strong space rock sound even though they are a RIO band. The album is pretty laid back and not quirky or anything like it. I can see alot of Krautrock fans liking this band.

Any other thoughts?


I haven't heard (of) them myself. I added them to the chart though:

http://www.ratingfreak.com/go/mer/($eUVq6FlUPAVGUblVBfBlIA$)/s,showPage,9_q1klWYtB,cxW0_xC1mxqZ6JrYc_a2_NrLmFa386WYmRH,4Fa0jtW3hxW2nB,8xa0nVX0_JH,nB,_tG.xhtml
 
Thanks, great news, have known them for a while. Then I went to have a look at what other people thought of them on this site and found out they are not here. It will be interesting to see what you guys think of them. Mexico is not exactly the home RIO if you know what I mean but they have come up with a quite decent album here. I have not heard their other albums but "EL Poeta Del Ruido" is sited as their best album.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 21:16
Originally posted by chamberry chamberry wrote:

Decibel is a good band. Although I have heard the albums two times, I've noticed they have strong space rock sound even though they are a RIO band. The album is pretty laid back and not quirky or anything like it. I can see alot of Krautrock fans liking this band.

Any other thoughts?


I haven't heard (of) them myself. I added them to the chart though:

http://www.ratingfreak.com/go/mer/($eUVq6FlUPAVGUblVBfBlIA$)/s,showPage,9_q1klWYtB,cxW0_xC1mxqZ6JrYc_a2_NrLmFa386WYmRH,4Fa0jtW3hxW2nB,8xa0nVX0_JH,nB,_tG.xhtml


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 21:15
Jacques Brel -> Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 17:31
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Well I believe he's more minamilistic in terms of voice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Walker_%28singer%29


His two most recent albums are classed as "avant-garde/experimental".

He's not prog though by the way. As I said, it's more in his voice technique that he experiments.

He also seems to have done an album of Jacques Brel covers.  Interesting (for Sean Trane anyhow).


I like Brel as well.

If you want an artist experimenting with their voice you shuold try Diamnda Galas.
www.diamandagalas.com

She has a very special deep, despairing voice which she plays with very skillfully.
Her music is prog-related  and experimental. It changes from one album to the other, but mainly she likes to accompany herself with a piano and a large part of her art is the show she does that completes the music.
 
The Brel Album is actually compiled from his 60s solo albums Scott 1 -3. These included a mixture of covers and originals, with no less than 9 Brel songs across the 3 albums (the classic Scott 4 was entirely originals). Jacques Brel himself approved of both the translations of his lyrics and Scott's interpretations, which apparently wasn't always the case.
 
Scott's first 4 solo albums are well worth investigating, by the way - by the time you get to Scott 4 you're deep into the rarely explored avant-lounge territiory. His 1980s album Tilt (coming after the Walker Brother's 70s comeback) moves more in the direction of his last 2 albums, and is also worth a listen.
'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 16:48
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Well I believe he's more minamilistic in terms of voice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Walker_%28singer%29


His two most recent albums are classed as "avant-garde/experimental".

He's not prog though by the way. As I said, it's more in his voice technique that he experiments.

He also seems to have done an album of Jacques Brel covers.  Interesting (for Sean Trane anyhow).


I like Brel as well.

If you want an artist experimenting with their voice you shuold try Diamnda Galas.
www.diamandagalas.com

She has a very special deep, despairing voice which she plays with very skillfully.
Her music is prog-related  and experimental. It changes from one album to the other, but mainly she likes to accompany herself with a piano and a large part of her art is the show she does that completes the music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 16:40
I will have to look more into it. I'm always interested in person who experiment with music. I think this is why RIO and Kraut Rock are my favourite genres.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 16:37
Well I believe he's more minimalistic in terms of voice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Walker_%28singer%29


His two most recent albums are classed as "avant-garde/experimental".

He's not prog though by the way. As I said, it's more in his voice technique that he experiments.

He also seems to have done an album of Jacques Brel covers.  Interesting (for Sean Trane anyhow).


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 16:31
Originally posted by chamberry chamberry wrote:

Decibel is a good band. Although I have heard the albums two times, I've noticed they have strong space rock sound even though they are a RIO band. The album is pretty laid back and not quirky or anything like it. I can see alot of Krautrock fans liking this band.Any other thoughts?


It has been a while since I have listed to the album, but from what I remember most of what you said is pretty correct. I will have a listen to it sometime soon and write some more about it later.
    
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 16:29
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

To go off topic for a moment...Adam, have you checked out Scott Walker's latest album?  I think this is rather minimalistic with it's sound and you may appreciate it.  Having said that, you may hate it!


That name just went straight over my head. I cannot say I have have never heard of him before. Could you tell me a little about him? Minimalistic sounds good!

don't fear, even if I don't like him I will give reasoning to it. I not one to say things without backing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 16:19
Decibel is a good band. Although I have heard the albums two times, I've noticed they have strong space rock sound even though they are a RIO band. The album is pretty laid back and not quirky or anything like it. I can see alot of Krautrock fans liking this band.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 16:13
To go off topic for a moment...

Adam, have you checked out Scott Walker's latest album?  I think this is rather minimalistic with it's sound and you may appreciate it.  Having said that, you may hate it!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 14:46
Also has anybody other that chamberry tried out Decibel? I'm not they're the best thing ever but they were a part of the RIO moment back in the late '70s early '80s, so they hold some historical values. I'm just surprise they seemingly have pretty much just been forgotten.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 14:42
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:


Assaf, defend me about Taal in the Taal thread! Well, if she's with other musicians, she may not be that bad... can it really hurt?  You may miss out on something excellent, or you may witness something awful.  Take your pick!


I have seem there has been a little arguements in the Taal thread. But i Don't think I am going to be of much help

Assaf, with the concert, it's really is not that much. But for me I'm not really much of a concert goer if it is not a band that I love. If I think it is going to be risky I would prefer to spend the money on a new CD. But I guess the decision is up to you if it was me personally I would not bother going (to put it bluntly). Also I think I am the same with the Charming Hostess, listed to it a few times now and it really isnot doing much for me, though better than their later works.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 12:39
Assaf, defend me about Taal in the Taal thread! LOL

Well, if she's with other musicians, she may not be that bad... can it really hurt?  You may miss out on something excellent, or you may witness something awful.  Take your pick!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 12:37
Off topic for a second. We talked abuot Jewlia Eisenberg and Charming Hostess before and it appears she will perform here at the end of July with local musicians. The problem is I don't really know what to expect. It's not too expensve either (13-15$). But from what I heard by Charming Hostess, I am not convinced I shuold go. Plus, I am not sure my wife will go with me. She will perform in Belgium afterwards.

You can go back to Taal and the rest.

How about those atonalities, eh?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 09:53
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Oh you need to listen to Mister Green more.  I prefer Skymind also (but it's a close call), but Mister Green is very rewarding.

Both albums are around 4.5 or so for me.  I find the opening track on Skymind drags on a bit too long, but apart from that, there aren't any real problems.

It's more progressive than many albums in my collection and possibly more progressive than many RIO/Avant-Prog albums too.

And I wouldn't really compare it to KC's LTiA!


I didn't mean to compare the actual music. I only meant the "avant-gardeness" (what a word LOL) of the material at hand. Taal's music is not as dissonant and foreboding as say, Univers Zero, but it's experimental in a way that LTiA is... then again LtiA is much older, so more avant-garde for that time. Taal is more of an eclectic band really... Anyway, I hope you know what I mean now... LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 09:25
Oh you need to listen to Mister Green more.  I prefer Skymind also (but it's a close call), but Mister Green is very rewarding.

Both albums are around 4.5 or so for me.  I find the opening track on Skymind drags on a bit too long, but apart from that, there aren't any real problems.

It's more progressive than many albums in my collection and possibly more progressive than many RIO/Avant-Prog albums too.

And I wouldn't really compare it to KC's LTiA!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2006 at 09:11
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

How are enjoying Mister Greem, Joren?


It's very nice, although I like Skymind better. Then again, I have only listened to Mr. Green once now, and I've played Skymind a few times already.

Anyway, IMO: Taal = nice, but not as good as some of the reviewers say. I think I agree with Hugues Chantraine's reviews (as I do surprisingly often Embarrassed), only I would consider rewarding Skymind with 3,5 or 4 stars.

Thanks to the people who "recommended" Wink the albums to me!


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