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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2006 at 16:20
After Assaf's query about Francois Thollot, it made me think this name sounded very farmilar. And this was to be some what correct. I was having a look through some of my CD's and came across a compilation album containing about 15 rare recordings from various bands. I don't know if these two names have any ties. But I bumped into Jacques Thollot, another french musican. This is a quite a good CD and somewhat progressive. So I decided to put it on for another spin only to plesantly surprised with a very good CD. Anyway here is some information.

Jacques Thollot - Quand le son devient aigu, jeter la girafe à la mer

(which translates nicely to: When the sound becomes acute, to throw the giraffe with the sea)



1/ Cécile (3:55)
2/ Position Stagnante de Réaction Stationnaire (1:25)
Enlevez les Boutons, le Croiseur se Désagrège (2:22)
4/ Mahagony Extraits (3:07)
5/ Qu'ils se Fassent un Village, ou Bien c'est Nous qui s'en allons (2:17)
6/ Aussi Long que Large (5:06)
7/ Quiet Days in Prison (2:43)
8/ De D.C. par J.T. (1:34)
9/ Virginie ou Le Manque de Tact (3:42)
10/ N.G.A. (1:19)
11/ Aussi Large que Long (9:47)
12/ Quand Le Son Devient Aigu, Jeter la Girafe à la Mer (4:51)
13/ Marche (1:18)
14/ A Suivre (0:32)

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Studio Europasonor, Gaîté, Paris, March 8, 1971

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Jacques Thollot (battery, percussions, piano, organ, violin, effects electronic)

A translated review from www.gutsofdarkness.com

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progressive jazz//unclassable UFO

Enormous album that this “When the Sound Becomes Acute, Jeter the Giraffe with the Sea”. Enormous by the title, the surrealist approach, and the excellence of its matter. Extremely snuffed for its scarcity (like much of discs published on the Futura label), it is born finally in republication Cd for the greatest happiness of some nostalgic and especially, I hope for it, of good numbers of curious, always ready to be sent across the ears musical parts on which time does not have a catch. Fruit of the work of the only Jacques Thollot, beater of his state, which revêt here all the caps, the album has paces of dreams hallucinogens powdered with connotations jazz largely inspired of the free. What does not prevent it from surprising us, initially, for better grabbing us, in the second time, with its boîteuses melodies, adulterated, rearranged by, accelerated, recomposed triturated magnetic tapes and/or decelerated (“Remove the Buttons, the Cruiser Disaggregates”). There with a saving in means suitable for the technology of time, Thollot draws perhaps without the knowledge what two decades later the cantors of the electronic abstraction will évertueront themselves to create while pressing only on the Enter key of their computer (splendid “the Cecile”). One comes very close to chamber music on “Calm Days in Prison” and his plaintive violin behind piano always such a solemn, when it is not shown feverish and cheating in percussives attacks in Cecil Taylor (“As Broad as Long”). A point of progressive approach in these alambiquées constructions (the very short “N.G.A.” or “To follow”, or the beach titrate, relatively Zappaesque). In the majority of the cases, most of the titles presented here remain a single opportunity for the beater to show all its know-how behind barrels and cymbals, armed with brushes or rods. A properly unclassable disc, which must as much with the jazz as with the contemporary music, with the progressive music that with the first steps of the electronic music.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2006 at 15:39
Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

I saw a reference to a Japanese Zeuhl band which isn't listed in PA called AMYGDALA. Has anyone here heard their music?I know of their s/t album which was released through SOLEIL ZEUHL.Another one is the French musician FRANCOIS THOLLOT. His albums are released in the same label and he is also described as making Zeuhl music. Anyone familiar?What about OLIVE MESS ? Listed here but with no biography and no reviews. Any info on the above artists would be appreciated.

 

I seem to remember posting something about Amygdala a few weeks ago. They're a duo, and everything on their debut album is synth generated aside from lead guitar and some non synth keyboards. I actually quite liked it when I first heard it as background music, but it did not stand up quite so well to close listening. It's very Magma-esque, but if you're not keen on artificially generated drums it's probably best avoided.


Ah yes thanks for the refreashing of memory I was the one who asked about them in the first place . Assaf if you want to look at some of their material there are a few mp3's on the Soleil Zeuhl website. From the descriptions Syzygy it does sound like these are a bit deceiving so I would be wary when trying these guys out.
    
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2006 at 15:31
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

I saw a reference to a Japanese Zeuhl band which isn't listed in PA called AMYGDALA. Has anyone here heard their music?
I know of their s/t album which was released through SOLEIL ZEUHL.

Another one is the French musician FRANCOIS THOLLOT. His albums are released in the same label and he is also described as making Zeuhl music. Anyone familiar?

What about OLIVE MESS ?
Listed here but with no biography and no reviews.

Any info on the above artists would be appreciated.


 
I seem to remember posting something about Amygdala a few weeks ago. They're a duo, and everything on their debut album is synth generated aside from lead guitar and some non synth keyboards. I actually quite liked it when I first heard it as background music, but it did not stand up quite so well to close listening. It's very Magma-esque, but if you're not keen on artificially generated drums it's probably best avoided.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2006 at 15:18
Originally posted by eugene eugene wrote:

yeah, I am now at track 6 - Wujudkan - the song should/can only be listened to in the context of an album, I guess, as otherwise it's unbearable pop.
...interesting..... 


They are a very interesting band indeed. What are your opinions on Condissonance, IMO that is quite a perfect song. So open and playful and organic for a RIO song. If you are really enjoying this go out and get yourself their second album Tot Licht! which is almost devoid of the pukey Asian pop (however it contains some GOD AWFUL album artwork). I believe they also have an upcoming new album on the way!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2006 at 15:13
yeah, I am now at track 6 - Wujudkan - the song should/can only be listened to in the context of an album, I guess, as otherwise it's unbearable pop.
...interesting..... 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2006 at 15:08
Originally posted by eugene eugene wrote:

I am listening at the moment to quite an amazing music. As this is first listen, I am not ready to discuss it in details at the moment, but as long as this is "drop-in centre", I thought I rather metion the band now. Indonesian (repeat Indonesian) RIO/avant band called Discus. I just bought their first album called "1st" and it's playing right now. Anyone who is familiar with this band and this particular album is welcome with his/her comments about them.
 
 


Discus is a completely bizarre mixture, how they combined tasty RIO treats and pukey Asian pop in one album will always baffle me. Condissonance, System Manipulation, Violin Metaphysics, Doc's Tune, etc... all great pieces. But For This Love? Wujudkan? Anugerah? Blahhhh (I must admit however I really enjoy listening to Dua Cermin)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2006 at 15:04
I am listening at the moment to quite an amazing music. As this is first listen, I am not ready to discuss it in details at the moment, but as long as this is "drop-in centre", I thought I rather metion the band now. Indonesian (repeat Indonesian) RIO/avant band called Discus. I just bought their first album called "1st" and it's playing right now. Anyone who is familiar with this band and this particular album is welcome with his/her comments about them.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2006 at 14:36
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:


What about OLIVE MESS ? Listed here but with no biography and no reviews. Any info on the above artists would be appreciated.


Here is a Bio which I wrote up a while back.. which I submitted, I guess it will just take sometime for it to go through the works.

Olive Mess

In November 1998 Denis Arsenin (Bass), Edgar Kempish (drums) and Alexey Syomin (guitar) played their first joint rehearsal, leading to the formation of the Latvian band OLIVE MESS. The group named themselves in honour of the French 20th century composer Olivie Messian. For two years the band remained a three piece. Regularly performing at the music club called “Saxophone”, where they would play covers of King Crimson along with many of their own compositions.

In March 2001 the group released their first recording “Live without Audience” which pretty much acted as a demo. With the track “1572 (part II)” we start to see the group’s interest in Medieval French history. With the compositional basis formed around “St. Bartholomew’s day Massacre” occurring on August 23, 1572.

Later in 2001, the remaining members joined the group; including Ilze Paegle (classical trained soprano singer), Lilija Voronova (keyboards) and Sergey Syomin (Archlute, Baroque guitar). Now a full band the group prepared to start recording for their album “Gramercy” under the French label Soleil Zeuhl. The album consists of 5 long compositions. OLIVE MESS encompasses many elements in to their music; shifting between traditional medieval folk music and passages of complex avant-garde which hint strongly towards their King Crimson and Univers Zero influences. The album consists of 5 long compositions with Lyrics mainly focus on historical events in medieval France.

Well worth the investigation for those looking for something adventurous and highly original


Hope this is of some help, unfortunately I have not heard the other two bands.
    
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2006 at 14:32
Thanks for the mentions on Miriodor guys.

Yes, your description is perfect, Assaf.  I heard some Turkish/Eastern sounds in there, as well as jazz and even some Harmonium (they're both Québécois bands after all, so it's hard for Miriodor not to have heard Si on avait...).  Excellent stuff and as you said, most of the time rather cheerful.  A few tracks are quite haunting, but in a happier way.  One track in particular "L'allée des martyrs/Road to Martyrdom" is especially joyful.

I shall try and get the self-titled next.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2006 at 12:35
I saw a reference to a Japanese Zeuhl band which isn't listed in PA called AMYGDALA. Has anyone here heard their music?
I know of their s/t album which was released through SOLEIL ZEUHL.

Another one is the French musician FRANCOIS THOLLOT. His albums are released in the same label and he is also described as making Zeuhl music. Anyone familiar?

What about OLIVE MESS ?
Listed here but with no biography and no reviews.

Any info on the above artists would be appreciated.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2006 at 10:24
I just digged out Nicolas II and Triton and discovered that were released under "Soleil Zeuhl" label (numbers 05 and 04 respectively). By the time I got these albums (long time ago) I was not familiar with term "Zeuhl" at all, that's why Potemkin is not assosiated with Zeuhl for me. Thanks, Adam, for prompting me to rediscover this band again (now under Zeuhl label)LOL.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2006 at 10:02
Interesting again - I never considered Potemkin to be Zeuhl - jazz-rock fusion - that's what I thought. Now I am prompted to relisten to two albums I have, namely Triton and Nicolas II, again, and I will probably find Zeuhl influences in itSmile.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2006 at 07:56
^^^
I don't have it. I heard some bits of it a while ago, and liked it. You review reminded me that I should get it in one of my future purchases.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2006 at 07:37
Aww thanks

Do you have this album? What do you think? Do you agree with the statements I made? I do think I would be a great step into Zeuhl for people who are to frigthened to go the whole way. Though I do find this more of a Jazz fusion album rather than a solely Zeuhl orientated album. I would be interested to know what other people think about this view?

Anyway I'm off to bed now, up for an early start so I should be heading off. I will reply when I get up in the morning.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2006 at 06:07
Adam, good review on Potemkine - Triton.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2006 at 04:41
I have their self-titled and Jongleries Elastiques - pure RIO/avant to me, although quite accessible and very exciting.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2006 at 01:21
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

I've just finished listening to Miriodor - Rencontres (Encounters) and quite liked it.

However, I'm not absolutely sure whether it's RIO/Avant-Prog or not.  I found it rather jazzy with some avant moments.  Very easy on the ear too and not at all demanding.

Does anyone know whether their later albums are more avant-garde?

Also, your thoughts on this particular album are welcomed as well.
 
I don't know Recontres, but I do have Jongleries Elastiques and Mekano and I also have Parade but I haven't properly listened to it yet, so I won't comment on that album.
Those two have a typical Miriodor sound which means a melange of different sounds as jazz, ethnic (gypsy) music, some rock moments, classical music leanings and then some. Their music is not complex and quite accessible imo, as opposed to say, Thinking Plague which has layers of sounds in their music created by the instruments playing seemingly contradicting tunes that with each play sound more and more appropriate together and you can perceive more of the music. With Miriodor, there is also depth to the music, but in another way than ThPl and other of that style. Their music can remid you of circus music at times, due to its apparent siliness and at other times it can have a more serious tone. But most of the time it is music that gives you the feeling that the musicians are enjoying themselves and have fun. This is why their albums are mostly not depresing as others in this genre, but they still have a weird feeling in them, as if you have enetered another realm, penetrated into the minds of some weird people. Just look at the story in pictures in the booklet of Mekano or at other pictures of the band memmbers and you'll see what I mean.
Of hose two I prefer Jongleries. I like better the melodies and it is more interesting than Mekano. Mekano seems to lose some of its power of attraction after half the album, but it is still a good release. I think I am in a minority here, cause it seems that most prefer Mekano.
I said I wouldn't but from what I remember from Parade, it was very good and a slight change for the better than Mekano. Plus it has a Live at Nearfest 2002  cd with it.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2006 at 20:38
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Patricia Dallio - Barbe Bleue

A solo album, by pianist and composer from Art Zoyd. Apparently it is a score for a play based on 'the Blue Beard'(or whatever that tale was called). This fact however does not limit the music at all as it's superb. Constructed of rather short movements which move between 1 till 8 minutes, with occasional vocals reading texts, but mostly instrumental. A look at the credits reveals that Patricio is responsible for programming, samplers and keyboards, and only a few singers working on the project. And the results are surprising since the works features many moods, sounds and has strong compositions with only her behind this all. Impressive to say the least! So, a question you've been asking until now: how close to Art Zoyd does it sound, and the answer is, that the music is in the same territory as late Art Zoyd's, but much more gentle and balanced between the electronics and the acoustic instruments, never going into unnecessary 'sound explorations.' Planning to listen to more of her work, and recommending this album to everyone.


Wow thanks for all those recommendations, especially in the detail you have gone into. 'Patricia Dallio - Barbe Bleue' is the one which has stuck out for me. I have follow here work closly in Art Zoyd, and have read much about her on the Art Zoyd page but have never gotten around to listening to her material. After this recommendation I think it will be inevitable for me to try and track down some of her works. Thanks you for refreshing my memory on yet another artist I have been meaning to check out.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2006 at 20:34
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I've just finished listening to Miriodor - Rencontres (Encounters) and quite liked it.However, I'm not absolutely sure whether it's RIO/Avant-Prog or not.  I found it rather jazzy with some avant moments.  Very easy on the ear too and not at all demanding.Does anyone know whether their later albums are more avant-garde?Also, your thoughts on this particular album are welcomed as well.


I still only have heard a few songs by this band. Mostly their later stuff which sounded quite RIO orientated to me. On Cuneiform records there is selection of about 5 songs spanning their career so this should give you little idea what their current albums are like.

I was so close to buying "Jongleries Elastiques" when I was in Russia last (I brought about 20 CD's in one day over there ) it was sitting on the shelf and the cover looks so farmilar yet I had no idea who the band was at the time. Upon getting back I did some research and found more out about the band and was quite disappointed I didn't pick it up. I mean when is the next time I am going to see a Miriodor CD stting in a store?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2006 at 20:02
I've just finished listening to Miriodor - Rencontres (Encounters) and quite liked it.

However, I'm not absolutely sure whether it's RIO/Avant-Prog or not.  I found it rather jazzy with some avant moments.  Very easy on the ear too and not at all demanding.

Does anyone know whether their later albums are more avant-garde?

Also, your thoughts on this particular album are welcomed as well.


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