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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

 
..and your point is?

 

Our painter was much better.
Stern Smile joking aside... (...) Jesus is often depicted being flanked by angels (which is also true of your Kosovo fresco, though that is not clear in the poor quality image you posted) (...)

"Poor quality image" I posted? LOL
ok here's a very poor quality video about the frescoes in Visoki Dečani the monastery (painted 1335 AD):




Due the fact that you see just a naive art painter's vision of two avarage angels who are drivers of the Sun and the Moon, I presume that you will be so satisfied to see thIs Glorification on the Eucharist, painted 1600 AD; today it hangs in San Lorenzo church in San Pietro, Italy:




Dont worry, Dean. Any similarity with Sputnik satellite was accidental LOL






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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

I've been interested in the UFO Phenomenon for over 30 years and while posting in the 'what have you read lately ' thread I noticed another member mentioned the ufo phenom so I  thought I would start a thread about the enigma.
The phenom covers several aspects including but not limited to the following: day and night sightings of ufos, close encounters with ufos as well as 'aliens', and the so-called abduction phenomenon. These have been classified as CE (close encounters) 1,2,3, and 4. There are also paranormal events often associated with the enigma which makes it even more interesting in some cases that are usually called 'high strangeness' cases.
Many books have been written over the last 50 years covering all of the various better known cases, events,  and theories which include the ETH-extraterrestrial hypothesis, the  EDH-extradimensional hypothesis, and the PSH-the psychosocial hypothesis. There are of course many books  on famous cases like the Roswell event, the Rendlesham-Bentwaters events,  the Walton abduction and the Hill abduction. There are also several good articles at Wiki and at various online web sites for those who want more background.
I suspect  that those who wish to get into this probably have a working knowledge of the subject already but if anyone wants me to point them to some books or web sites just give me a heads up.
 
I think the best place to start is for those who want to disucss this to say right up front what their position or belief is about the phenom. For me I'll say that the UFO phenom for me is a legitimate phenom that has been experienced worldwide for a very long time . I believe, as does Dr J Vallee who's ideas I tend to agree with, that the phenom has been with mankind for millenia in one form or another . Whatever is behind what we call the UFO enigma is not new and only a modern phenom but something that has been appearing to humans for thousands of years .
Some think it's space aliens/ET-the ETH, some think it's a paranormal/occult issue or interdimensional beings-the EDH, while others think it's merely a figment of human imagination, folklore, mythology, and psychological problems-the PSH.
 
What do you think?
 

Wow, that's incredible! I never imagined that here it was possible to speak about this. 
This is a complex issue that could change seriously global structures.
I believe that we are, for a half,  the same seed of a population more advanced then ours. Some ancient populations have left to us so many clues. Is impossible that millennia-old testimonials are only religious belief? No, absolutely not!
The truth is that someone don't want that nobody knows. There are a lot of concept to say about this. A good start point I think is to read Zecharia Sitchin's book, I read them almost all. Another interesting writer is Mauro Biglino. A translator of Bible of Masoretic text code. 
Anyhow the UFO phenomenon are a concrete thing, a fact. These are tangible manifestations of their presence, a presence that exist on Earth by ever. Many many years ago there was a collaborations with us human. After having created us was happened something. The fact is that the collaborations broke up, caused also for our independence as human (Adamo and Eva), which today is controlled by a few powerful people that still in contact with an alien race.

Ok stop there are so many things to say. Anyway if you want you could search our roots in Sumerian civilization...

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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

 
..and your point is?

 

Our painter was much better.
Stern Smile joking aside... I don't want to assume, presume, guess, presuppose, conjecture or speculate the point you are attempting to make in posting an image without any accompanying expression in your words of what your opinions and thoughts are on the image.

You could, for example, be illustrating that medieval fresco painters liked to add extraneous detail into their artwork that is not contained within any of the literary texts associated with the biblical event that the painting is supposed to describe. However, comparing the painting with other medieval paintings of the crucifixion shows that Jesus is often depicted being flanked by angels (which is also true of your Kosovo fresco, though that is not clear in the poor quality image you posted), such as this one:


 but also by the Sun and Moon, as shown here:
and here:

and these celestial bodies are sometimes show with faces:
and here

and sometimes they are shown as containing angels, such as here:

SO....

When we see a medieval fresco painting that shows beings contained in orbs coursing through the sky that are radiating stylised rays of silver and golden light respectively do we conclude that they are medieval representations of the sun and moon and their guiding angels or do we apply a modern interpretation and presume they are showing ancient alien visitors to our planet?



So... I repeat:  

and your [effing] point is?


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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:


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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

</span><span style="line-height: 1.2;">A frescoes from Serbian monastery Visoki Dečani, 1335 AD

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An embroidery, Bayeux Cathedral 1476 CE.
..and your point is?



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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

A frescoes from Serbian monastery Visoki Dečani, 1335 AD


An embroidery, Bayeux Cathedral 1476 CE.





..and your point is?


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A frescoes from Serbian monastery Visoki Dečani, 1335 AD
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

 Regarding the tech itself, again it's impossible to say for certain how advanced such beings could be. They could easily be 100,000 years or more ahead of us (or even a million years) and have discovered laws of physics new to us or learned how to bend them.

I agree with this.

It's interesting to imagine what human tech will be like in one hundred years, let alone one thousand years or ten thousand years in the future.
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Originally posted by King Only King Only wrote:

Thanks @Dr Wu for making the thread. It's a topic I'm interested in too.

For me personally, two of the most convincing incidents that made me believe that UFOs were possibly extraterrestrial craft were the Thomas Mantell incident and the Rendlesham Forest incident.

My father is a retired British Royal Air Force pilot. I asked him several times about UFOs. He said that he had never seen anything himself but he had heard stories from other pilots, both civilian and military, that claimed they had seen UFOs.
The Rendlesham Forest incident has been discussed earlier in this thread and there are several plausible counter-explanations for the Mantell incident that do not involve extraterrestrial craft. Since all the evidence points to Cpt Mantell blacking out from hypoxia resulting in the crash and none from a hostile alien encounter the only unknown in the account is the exact nature of the object he was in pursuit of, though the speculation that it was a (then top secret) Skyhook weather balloon does present a plausible explanation. While neither of these accounts can be proven to be of natural causes, they cannot be proven to be an encounter with extraterrestrial craft either - this does not make for a good reason to call them 'convincing incidents'.
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Thanks @Dr Wu23 for making the thread. It's a topic I'm interested in too.

For me personally, two of the most convincing incidents that made me believe that UFOs were possibly extraterrestrial craft were the Thomas Mantell incident and the Rendlesham Forest incident.

My father is a retired British Royal Air Force pilot. I asked him several times about UFOs. He said that he had never seen anything himself but he had heard stories from other pilots, both civilian and military, that claimed they had seen UFOs.

One of my coworkers is retired US Air Force but he wasn't a pilot, he was a military airbase manager. He said he never saw any UFOs during his service.

I think the biggest problem with doing 'serious' UFO research is the huge number of con-men and hoaxers out there. There's a lot of dodgy writers and publishing companies making a ton of money from regularly churning out UFO literature.



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I believe in this UFO phenomenon:
"The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by MythosDreamLab MythosDreamLab wrote:

Wow, just found this thread and while I have only read the first and last pages, I echo what the original poster (Dr Wu) stated about being interested in UFO's since the late 60's/early 70's.

What always amazes me when UFO's are addressed on non-UFO sites is the strong opinions by people that have done little or no research.
It always amuses me the generalisations that some people are prone to make when the topic of UFOs comes up. What passes for research in this subject also raises a smile or two.

Yeah, "people that have done little or no research" was an unfortunate turn of phrase;  never assume anything about a poster's knowledge or background unless you have proof otherwise.   And even then don't assume.   As this is a site that caters to a music born in the late 1960s/'70s, many members here lived through the UFO pop culture of that same era and grew up reading anything available during that somewhat under-informed period.

And some of them are Vulcans.




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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by MythosDreamLab MythosDreamLab wrote:

Wow, just found this thread and while I have only read the first and last pages, I echo what the original poster (Dr Wu) stated about being interested in UFO's since the late 60's/early 70's.

What always amazes me when UFO's are addressed on non-UFO sites is the strong opinions by people that have done little or no research.
It always amuses me the generalisations that some people are prone to make when the topic of UFOs comes up. What passes for research in this subject also raises a smile or two.

Yeah, "people that have done little or no research" was an unfortunate turn of phrase;  never assume anything about a poster's knowledge or background unless you have proof otherwise.   And even then don't assume.   As this is a site that caters to a music born in the late 1960s/'70s, many members here lived through the UFO pop culture of that same era and grew up reading anything available during that somewhat under-informed period.

And some of them are Vulcans.
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Originally posted by MythosDreamLab MythosDreamLab wrote:

Wow, just found this thread and while I have only read the first and last pages, I echo what the original poster (Dr Wu) stated about being interested in UFO's since the late 60's/early 70's.

What always amazes me when UFO's are addressed on non-UFO sites is the strong opinions by people that have done little or no research.
It always amuses me the generalisations that some people are prone to make when the topic of UFOs comes up. What passes for research in this subject also raises a smile or two.

Originally posted by MythosDreamLab MythosDreamLab wrote:


It would be like a Country-Western music fan putting down Yes or Genesis after hearing one song by them. That is not to say everyone's opinions don't matter, but if you are sick you go to a Doctor (someone who has studied medicine) as opposed to to taking advice from the homeless dude hanging out in front of the 99-cent store (no offense).
Yet there are people who regularly visit practitioners of herbal and holistic medicine when they are sick even though those practitioners have no medical training or qualifications and there are others who believe that faith, prayer and the laying on of hands can cure the sick even though those preachers have no medical knowledge. Funny old world isn't it.

Originally posted by MythosDreamLab MythosDreamLab wrote:


I'll make some more comments as I go through the thread.
I shall endeavour to ensure that my breath is suitably baited as I wait. Evil Smile
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Wow, just found this thread and while I have only read the first and last pages, I echo what the original poster (Dr Wu) stated about being interested in UFO's since the late 60's/early 70's.

What always amazes me when UFO's are addressed on non-UFO sites is the strong opinions by people that have done little or no research.

It would be like a Country-Western music fan putting down Yes or Genesis after hearing one song by them. That is not to say everyone's opinions don't matter, but if you are sick you go to a Doctor (someone who has studied medicine) as opposed to to taking advice from the homeless dude hanging out in front of the 99-cent store (no offense).

I'll make some more comments as I go through the thread.

Cheers, and for the next song, I will be playing: Have You Seen the Saucers by Jefferson Starship
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Dean you've been on such a voracious stint of loquacious eructations and vocabularic purgatives that I forgive your clearly drug-induced reinterpretation of my post and embrace it wholeheartedly.

And "bolides" was a new one.
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

^ I thought paired with my drone post it made sense- 
Ah, right. The "and are not ... haphazard identifications of balloons or normal aircraft at tangential angles" threw me for a moment since I considered that to include all flying objects made on Earth by humans using engineering principles that do not defy any laws of physics, i.e. they are real and exist externally. I would also consider that "intentional hoaxes" are also real and exist externally.
 
If we take it that drones and experimental aircraft do not fit that category then I agree with that "At least we can agree that many of the aero-kinetic objects people are seeing are real".
 
So I would rephrase your comment as:
 
"At least we can agree that many of the aero-kinetic objects people are seeing are made on Earth by humans using engineering principles that do not defy any laws of physics;  that is, they exist externally and are not hallucinations, or disturbed visions; nor are they misidentified insects, birds, ball-lightning, St. Elmo's Fire, will-o'-the-wisp, marsh gas, bolides, contrails, clouds, lighthouses, beacons, radio masts, flares, fireworks, reflections, refractions or aurora."
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