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Mushroom Sword
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 28 2010 Status: Offline Points: 426 |
Posted: June 11 2011 at 22:10 | ||
I'm pretty sure it's illegal to cold call to a cell phone. Thanks for that link, but it does say it's illegal in England, and so, could he report it? I know this is off-topic. Sorry. |
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: June 11 2011 at 08:20 | ||
The British Gas call that started all this was also amusing in its own right: "As a loyal British Gas customer you are entitled to a fantastic money saving offer..." "Okay, tell me more...." "By switching your Electricity supply to us we can offer you a saving on your quarterly bill and give you a £35 cash back payment..." "Interesting, if I don't switch will you send me £17.50 cash back and give me a still discount on my Gas bill?.." "No, you need to switch to duel-fuel tariff to take advantage of this offer..." "But I don't want to switch, I'm happy knowing that an expert in the field of electricity supply is supplying me with my electricity and an expert in the field of gas supply is supplying me my gas. Mixing Gas and Electric doesn't sound safe to me..." "The electricity board will still be supplying your electricity and we will still supply your gas, you just pay one bill and that saves you money..." "So if I switch then you discount my bill and give me £35 cash back...." "Yes" "But if I don't switch I don't get any cash back and you charge me a higher rate for my Gas supply..." "....erm, well, no, we continue to charge you our standard tariff..." "So the £35 you give to people who do switch comes from the extra money I pay you to supply my gas..." "...the £35 cash back comes from the savings we make by offering customers duel-fuel tarrifs..." "Oh, so it is cheaper for you to supply gas and electric than it is to supply just gas." "yes, the consolidated bill reduces admin and associated costs" "Sorry, but I don't see how, you don't incur the admin costs of processing my electricity bill at the moment and the admin costs of processing a duel-fuel bill must be higher for you..." "...the costs are also cheaper for you because you are only paying one bill instead of two..." "But I pay both by direct debit, the admin costs for me are negligible..." "Don't you want to save money on your fuel bills?" "No." "Everyone wants to save money and this offer could save you £75 on your annual fuel costs...." "If you want to save me money, just reduce what you charge me for my gas supply... and send me a £17.50 cash back for being a loyal British Gas customer." "You need to switch to duel-fuel tariff to take advantage of this offer..." "Does Southern Electric have a similar duel-fuel offer" "Yes" "Okay, I think I'll go online and see what they offer." *click*
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Icarium
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: March 21 2008 Location: Tigerstaden Status: Offline Points: 34076 |
Posted: June 11 2011 at 07:38 | ||
I don't know what Xenophobia is so i don't know when I step over that boarder (RANT RANT RANT RANT)
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: June 11 2011 at 07:16 | ||
That's really the problem with the TPS scheme - it doesn't stop BT, British Gas or AOL from cold calling because I am a customer of theirs and those are the three main villains.
I was contacted by an opt-out scheme a few months back after I complained to BT about their cold-calling (I asked if I should put them on my Friends & Family list as they called me so often). We reached an impasse when guy on the other end of the phone wanted my credit card details as confirmation of who I was: "You know who I am because you phoned me..." "we just need your credit card details to confirm who you are..." "I know who I am and I don't give those kind of details over the 'phone, that's the whole point of opting out, I don't buy anything over the phone..." "if we can confirm who you are then you'll be put on the list and you won't be called by 'these people'..." "I don't want to block 'these people', I just want to block BT from trying to sell me stuff I don't want..." "If you just confirm the credit card you pay your BT bill with then we can continue..." "But I don't pay BT by credit card..." *click*
BT are indeed my favourite of all the cold-callers, they even pestered me when I was ex-directory: "Why are you calling me? I pay you to be ex-directory to stop these kind of calls..." "Then you can be assured that only BT will call you..." "But I don't want BT to call me, if you've something to sell, send me a letter..." "But we're BT..." "And if being ex-directory doesn't stop BT from calling me then there is little point me paying you to be ex-directory is there?..." "we only contact you with offers to save you money on your bill..." "My call charges are less than the line-rental, if you want to save me money the only way to do that is reduce the line rental charge, or remove me from the ex-directory list..." *click*
The PC scam one are easy to spot and I do admit having fun with them - I was called by Microsoft Security Response Centre once over a 'Report this to Microsoft' report I'd apparently sent them: "So, which App did I report?..." "The one you sent the report for..." "You must know which one, it's part of the report message details..." "We have several registered to you..." "Really, I never send any reports..." "Someone in your household did..." "I don't think that is possible." *silence* "So how did you get my telephone number?..." "It is included in the report..." "No it isn't" *more silence* "You're not really Microsoft are you?" *click*
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chopper
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20031 |
Posted: June 11 2011 at 06:00 | ||
We registered with the TPS a few years ago (http://www.mpsonline.org.uk/tps/) and it does stop the majority of cold calls (unless you're a customer that is, so it doesn't stop Virgin phoning us all the time).
It doesn't stop all calls but then you can threaten them with legal action because you're registered with the TPS (if they've heard of it, that is). It also doesn't stop the people who ring up to tell me I have a virus on my PC but then I pretend that I don't know anything about computers and keep them on the phone for ages. |
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Henry Plainview
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 26 2008 Location: Declined Status: Offline Points: 16715 |
Posted: June 10 2011 at 20:18 | ||
Jim's location says South England...and it is not illega in America. |
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Mushroom Sword
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 28 2010 Status: Offline Points: 426 |
Posted: June 10 2011 at 19:58 | ||
Technically that's called, "cold-calling" and is illegal in America. I have no idea if you're from America or not... just sayin' |
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: June 10 2011 at 19:46 | ||
British Gas (and Electric)
I'm having this minor (and oh-so trivial) run-in with British Gas marketing department. A few weeks ago I got fed-up with their unsolicited telephone marketing calls offering me discounts on dual-fuel tariffs so I went to the British Gas website looking for a means of removing my name and number from their marketing list. The only thing I found was a general "complaints" form, which I duly filled in and had to provide a telephone number before the form would "submit" itself which was a little ironic since given the nature of my complaint. I also had to provide a valid email address which is fair enough I guess, for communication to take place it is necessary to provide a conduit for verbal exchange to occur and email is a far more reliable medium than telephone in many respects. Also given that I was initially requesting that all unsolicited telephonic sales communication from British Gas to myself could perhaps be reduced in number, email is indeed preferable to telephone. Still, at least the email acknowledging my complaint began with the line:
"Thank you for your recent email. I’ve tried to telephone you today but unfortunately you were not available."
Which I found amusing, but not as amusing as the email that arrived nine hours later:
"You recently gave us your email address so we thought we would let you know that..."
For those that don't know British Gas, they are a utility company that has two products, Natural Gas, one they "manufacture" and Electricity, one they simply sell-on. So the choices on offer to me are basically four: I can buy the product that is an inherent part of the company name, and to be honest the one they are famous for; or I can buy the product that they are not famous for, yet forms an essential part of the utilities requirement for my domestic domicile if only for providing illumination on dark winter nights since the abject failure of gaslight to be a viable source of lighting in the twenty-first century (and most of the twentieth as I recall); or I can buy both products simultaneously; or I can elect to pay someone else for the privilege of pretending supplying these utilities. It's that last bit that irks me - I can pay someone else but it is still British Gas that physically pumps the natural gas from the storage tanks down the pipes into my house and it is still The Southern Electricity Board who feeds the electricity from the national grid down the wires into my fuse box. So while we have "deregulated" something, I'm still in the dark (reading Fanny By Gaslight) as to what it is we have in fact deregulated, but never mind, I'm sure hat intelligences greater than our own do understand and with intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic regard our fuel-bills with envious eyes and slowly, and surely, draw their plans against us. Laaa-ooooooo!
Thus, faced with four relatively simple choices the number of possible answers follows a similar mathematical relationship that by some quirk of logic also results in the number four. From my perspective this is not a one in four chance of guessing the right answer, once I select an option that is my final choice, no need to phone a friend or ask the audience. Choosing anything but option 2 puts British Gas into Mrs Doyle mode "You'll have some duel-fuel tarrif... are you sure you don't want any? Aw go on, you'll have some. Go on go on go on go on go on go on go on go on GO ON! "
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mystic fred
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 13 2006 Location: Londinium Status: Offline Points: 4252 |
Posted: November 02 2010 at 02:43 | ||
nearly every driver behaves like that in a car...that's why i like driving my Minibus......they keep their distance
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Epignosis
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32546 |
Posted: November 01 2010 at 22:26 | ||
They actually replaced the unit (after the fifth time it went out). It went out again Saturday, and the man said there must be a leak in between the outdoor unit and the indoor unit. They have to contract that work out. In the interim, the guy put more freon in the AC. Well now it's out again. It is hot. My wife bitched out the guy over the phone...it was a DAY-UM moment for sure. She doesn't mess around. She has bigger ones than I do. |
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A Person
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 10 2008 Location: __ Status: Offline Points: 65760 |
Posted: November 01 2010 at 21:57 | ||
It's out again? |
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Epignosis
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32546 |
Posted: November 01 2010 at 21:51 | ||
Our AC is out for the 7th time in a month. This is Florida.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
Posted: August 23 2010 at 07:09 | ||
I'd like to moan about Car Insurance companies.
Only due to the fact that my car has recently been hit up the back, when I wasn't in it and the other vehicle didn't stop and there's no witnesses (well, there is but they didn't see the other vehicle). It's looking likely that my lovely car may well be classed as a write-off due to its age. The damage isn't that bad and it's drivable but the repairs may exceed the price of the car. It just annoys me that an accident that was not my fault causes me to lose my car, when I cannot really afford to get another one right now. I realise they may send me a cheque, but still. Of course, I could get it repaired privately and yes it may cost me more than the car is worth but it's my car, I don't want it scrapped. Anyhow, we shall wait and see what happens... I think I may have to remove my car stereo though. Edited by James - August 23 2010 at 07:10 |
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Blacksword
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
Posted: August 23 2010 at 06:55 | ||
Yeah, that really p!sses me off. It happens a lot at the turn in to our local Sainsbury's. You can excuse learner drivers for misjudging the tight corner, but it;s usually people in 4x4's or bloddy great white vans, who dont give a toss about anyone else on the road. |
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: August 23 2010 at 06:29 | ||
I agree - stick 12% on the business rate openly and fairly - if we can't pay we'll downsize or move.
One council is proposing the levy on any company with more than 11 parking spaces - we have 14 spaces and 9 employees - so that's £390 per car, not £250. P&D machines would mean our visitors would also be expected to pay and our salesmen would have to pay in every company they visit in a day. As I said in the UK Pol thread - tabloid politics and not thinking things through is the bane of this country. Little wonder UK manufacturing has been in permanent recession since the 70s.
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Snow Dog
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
Posted: August 23 2010 at 06:17 | ||
Can I have a general rant at drivers who cut the corner while you are approaching a junction?
They are turning right from their road and as you swerve to avoid them they look at you as if you are in their way!!!! They cut onto my side of the road!!!!!!!
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Snow Dog
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
Posted: August 23 2010 at 06:14 | ||
^ If it was a green tax or levy, then the money raised should go too addressing green issues....planting trees or something....I don't know. In this case it obviuosly won't.
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Blacksword
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
Posted: August 23 2010 at 06:07 | ||
I can see large companies like ours bringing in Pay & Display machines to recoup this levy from their employees. Where I work, the bus service is appalling and expensive, and therefore not a viable alterantive to using the car, for most people. I'd be happier if they just said 'Look we need dosh, so we're going to raise it by doing this' rather than dressing it up as some good intentioned green initiative, which it is clearly not. |
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: August 23 2010 at 05:37 | ||
^ we pay £29,300pa to EHDC in business rates (£250 of which is for a "kitchen" measuring 4' by 8' that constitutes 1 sink and 1 electric kettle) - levying another £3500 for 14 parking spaces is just backdoor 12% rate hike.
/edit - of course this won't lead to motorists adopting public transport since the levy is on the available parking spaces and not on the cars that use them - what are we expected to do? Put lawn-chairs and picnic tables in the spaces and designate them "staff canteen"? - no doubt there is a business rate levy for that too. Edited by Dean - August 23 2010 at 05:41 |
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Snow Dog
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
Posted: August 23 2010 at 05:26 | ||
^depressing ain't it.
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