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Is Trout Mask Replica really that essential? I've heard parts of it on Youtube because someone kindly uploaded most of the album, and I wasn't too impressed. I can see why it was important in 1969, but I didn't really like it. It all seemed to me to either be mostly standard blues with a few twists or cacophony that I didn't find very moving. Maybe I need to try again, I don't know.

I first heard it and I was like "WTF?! This sucks!" and then listened  to it again and one song (Moonlight on Vermont) clicked, so I put the album on again and a few more songs clicked and so on and so on and now it's one of my favorites ever.

Hehe, it was exactly the same way for me.  It clicked for me on the very same song!  (I remember finding myself whistling it!)  I tend to think there are two important things to note about TMR: first, don't expect to like it - or even process it as 'music' - the first few times you hear it.  Second, afterwards, your confidence with 'difficult' music (if you lacked it in the first place) will soar.

But don't mind me, I love TMR. Embarrassed
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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Is Trout Mask Replica really that essential? I've heard parts of it on Youtube because someone kindly uploaded most of the album, and I wasn't too impressed. I can see why it was important in 1969, but I didn't really like it. It all seemed to me to either be mostly standard blues with a few twists or cacophony that I didn't find very moving. Maybe I need to try again, I don't know.

 
 
TMR was a very confusing and VERY different listen for me first time. It's pretty much the kind of album that must grow on you, I had to give it at least ten spins before it clicked for me, and I was veyr unsure about  if I was going to like it at all in the beginning. I wasn't very familiar with avantgardistic music either back then, but it certainly helped me appreciating Avant music easier. Considering you like Henry Cow and the likes, you should give it a closer listen and you might get surprisedSmile
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Is Trout Mask Replica really that essential? I've heard parts of it on Youtube because someone kindly uploaded most of the album, and I wasn't too impressed. I can see why it was important in 1969, but I didn't really like it. It all seemed to me to either be mostly standard blues with a few twists or cacophony that I didn't find very moving. Maybe I need to try again, I don't know.



I first heard it and I was like "WTF?! This sucks!" and then listened  to it again and one song (Moonlight on Vermont) clicked, so I put the album on again and a few more songs clicked and so on and so on and now it's one of my favorites ever. 

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Originally posted by YesFan72 YesFan72 wrote:

Has anyone here ever listened to Oliver Messiaen? Henry Cow cites him as an influence, and from listening to his music, it's what I consider "RIO Classical." It's very very similar to Henry Cow in my opinion.


I heard his only electo-acoustic piece ever and it's unfortunate that it's his only electro-acoustic ever because it's my favorite electro-acoustic piece ever.

If that makes sense. 

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Originally posted by YesFan72 YesFan72 wrote:

Has anyone here ever listened to Oliver Messiaen? Henry Cow cites him as an influence, and from listening to his music, it's what I consider "RIO Classical." It's very very similar to Henry Cow in my opinion.


I have Turangalila-symphonie and Quatuor pour le fin du temps and both are excellent.  I've only heard them twice and need to give them a lot more listens.

I need to try hear those Cow sounds though. Big%20smile
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Originally posted by YesFan72 YesFan72 wrote:

Does anyone have any recommendations for bands similar to Henry Cow, Univers Zero, Present, and Shub-Niggurath? By the way, this thread does need more bassoon. Wink
 
 
Mamma Non Piangere (very HC reminiscent) and Combo FH (another bassoon user band).
 
For bands similar to UZ/Present and the likes, Sotos and Zaar are essential. If you like Shub Niggurath you should also check out SN guitarist Frank Fromy's solo album Quatre Axes Mutants from 1988. About equally as dark and threatening. And let's not forget Yog Sothoth, a very dark and brooding band (also from France) that released one (excellent) album in 1984, very similar to SN in sound! Smile
 
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Has anyone here ever listened to Oliver Messiaen? Henry Cow cites him as an influence, and from listening to his music, it's what I consider "RIO Classical." It's very very similar to Henry Cow in my opinion.
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Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Is Trout Mask Replica really that essential? I've heard parts of it on Youtube because someone kindly uploaded most of the album, and I wasn't too impressed. I can see why it was important in 1969, but I didn't really like it. It all seemed to me to either be mostly standard blues with a few twists or cacophony that I didn't find very moving. Maybe I need to try again, I don't know.



Same experience for me as well actually.
Wasn't that impressed by it.

Give it more listens. Wink

Although, I'm kind of in a rut right now. I want to listen to good music, but my job requires me to listen to 7 hours of terrible pop music every day, which prevents me from enjoying much good music or having the energy to listen to any music.
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Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Is Trout Mask Replica really that essential? I've heard parts of it on Youtube because someone kindly uploaded most of the album, and I wasn't too impressed. I can see why it was important in 1969, but I didn't really like it. It all seemed to me to either be mostly standard blues with a few twists or cacophony that I didn't find very moving. Maybe I need to try again, I don't know.



Same experience for me as well actually.
Wasn't that impressed by it.


Give it more listens. Wink
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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Is Trout Mask Replica really that essential? I've heard parts of it on Youtube because someone kindly uploaded most of the album, and I wasn't too impressed. I can see why it was important in 1969, but I didn't really like it. It all seemed to me to either be mostly standard blues with a few twists or cacophony that I didn't find very moving. Maybe I need to try again, I don't know.



Same experience for me as well actually.
Wasn't that impressed by it.
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Is Trout Mask Replica really that essential? I've heard parts of it on Youtube because someone kindly uploaded most of the album, and I wasn't too impressed. I can see why it was important in 1969, but I didn't really like it. It all seemed to me to either be mostly standard blues with a few twists or cacophony that I didn't find very moving. Maybe I need to try again, I don't know.
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Originally posted by Apsalar Apsalar wrote:

Well if you want to go along the lines of Henry Cow check out Lindsay Cooper's (bassoon/oboe player) solo albums. I listen to both Rags and Music for Other Occasions more than my Henry Cow vinyls. Another must is 'Neo Museum', the best Henry Cow soundalike I've heard. 


Hey Adam,

Dahlia has been acquainted with NEO Museum already, I believe.  She's aware of Cooper's work with the Cow but not sure if she's got her solo material.

I guess I should let her speak for herself here though. Embarrassed
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Speaking of the Cow...
 
TH's band The Work...thoughts?
 
Wayside makes it seem like greatness stacked on top of awesomeness inside of wowzawoo. It indeed sounds interesting and something I should like but I've never heard of them before so I thought I'd inquire to the experts.
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Well if you want to go along the lines of Henry Cow check out Lindsay Cooper's (bassoon/oboe player) solo albums. I listen to both Rags and Music for Other Occasions more than my Henry Cow vinyls. Another must is 'Neo Museum', the best Henry Cow soundalike I've heard. 
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Originally posted by YesFan72 YesFan72 wrote:

Does anyone have any recommendations for bands similar to Henry Cow, Univers Zero, Present, and Shub-Niggurath? By the way, this thread does need more bassoon. Wink
 
I've just been listening to Blast - Altrastrata, parts of which could be out takes from Unrest (no bassoon, but some very nice sax). You might also want to try U-Totem, who use a variety of reed instruments and have the classic RIO sound.
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Does anyone have any recommendations for bands similar to Henry Cow, Univers Zero, Present, and Shub-Niggurath? By the way, this thread does need more bassoon. Wink
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Fantastic review, Assaf! Clap
 
I haven't checked out Red Masque myself yet actually, but Im eager to hear them. They might be included in one of my next Avant orders!
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Originally posted by mecca mecca wrote:

 
Also, to anyone that's checked it out yet, is the new Red Masque album good?
 
Wrote a review for it here in PE (and it also appears in the band's website and in PE).
 
A very good album, very worth my time, dark, intense, heavy (atmosphere wise), dramatic...
Unlike their previous works, it is more song-oriented and there is a sort of connecting thread in theme and sound between all songs.
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