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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2008 at 21:01
Originally posted by PROGMONSTER2008 PROGMONSTER2008 wrote:

Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

1.  Obtain a copy of Dream Theater - Images & Words
2.  Listen to it.
3.  Report back.
 
Dream theatre are like Bonjovi meets Gentle Giant. You won't get much enjoyment from that apart from complexity Tongue
 
Just because you and half the forum here don't like Dream Theater doesn't mean the other half hates them as well. They don't sound anything like Bon Jovi, so you're just insulting them.
 
And I'd like to say that something like "Metropolis" or "Six Degrees" would be more representative of prog-metal.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2008 at 21:00
Originally posted by PROGMONSTER2008 PROGMONSTER2008 wrote:

Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

1.  Obtain a copy of Dream Theater - Images & Words
2.  Listen to it.
3.  Report back.
 
Dream theatre are like Bonjovi meets Gentle Giant. You won't get much enjoyment from that apart from complexity Tongue
 
Natural Science brings up a great point. You may insult bands freely and so can I, though you have not addressed the issue he brings up. Nothing was said of the progressive (or lack thereof) elements on Images and Words by Dream Theater.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2008 at 20:59
Seriously, I can't imagine anything good coming out of this thread.
It will just be pointing fingers and bickering.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2008 at 20:56
Originally posted by PROGMONSTER2008 PROGMONSTER2008 wrote:

Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

1.  Obtain a copy of Dream Theater - Images & Words
2.  Listen to it.
3.  Report back.
 
Dream theatre are like Bonjovi meets Gentle Giant. You won't get much enjoyment from that apart from complexity Tongue


An absolutely absurd statement.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2008 at 20:55
Originally posted by PROGMONSTER2008 PROGMONSTER2008 wrote:

Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

1.  Obtain a copy of Dream Theater - Images & Words
2.  Listen to it.
3.  Report back.
 
Dream theatre are like Bonjovi meets Gentle Giant. You won't get much enjoyment from that apart from complexity Tongue


If you don't find prog in that album, I don't think there's much more that can be discussed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2008 at 20:54
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

1.  Obtain a copy of Dream Theater - Images & Words
2.  Listen to it.
3.  Report back.
 
Dream theatre are like Bonjovi meets Gentle Giant. You won't get much enjoyment from that apart from complexity Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2008 at 20:53
Most prog is riff and rhythm based. What difference does it make if the guitars are heavily distorted- eg DT POS, even those like Neal morse use heavily distorted guitars to effect (and Yes, before Steve forgot that he had distortion pedals). Guess you have to like guitars.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2008 at 20:51
Black Sabbath - Die Young. One of the best and earliest examples of a successful blend of heavy metal and prog elements...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2008 at 20:49
Originally posted by PROGMONSTER2008 PROGMONSTER2008 wrote:

I've always known prog to be rock music played in a jazz/classical format. Eg. mainly jazz/classical melodies with jazz like guitar/drums/bass and classical keys. It's melody based music with a very even contribution of jazz/classical based instruments such as the usual guitar, bass and drums plus plenty of wind, brass and keys. The guitar is quite often background guitar chipping in within a complex melody or rythm and the drums have plenty of cymbal and snare work, while the bass is busy and really has alot of control of the melody. This music is interesting for many listens because of the melodies and the instruments along with the complexity. This was named PROG by the critics. But metal is the complete opposite. guitar dominated music, usually rythm and riff based where the guitar is up front and louder, the bass tends to just hold the rythm together rather than control it and the drums are mainly based on the toms and keeps the rythm interesting enough until you get bored of it after 2 listens Big smile, while there is almost a complete lack of keys. This is metal, but someone called it prog because it's being inventive. But i never thought about prog as being inventive, it's just exciting and it seemed inventive in 1970 because it wasn't standard hard rock Smile



Music, or indeed, prog does not have to be melodic.
Anyway, there is pretty much already a topic on this subject.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2008 at 20:48
1.  Obtain a copy of Dream Theater - Images & Words
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I've always known prog to be rock music played in a jazz/classical format. Eg. mainly jazz/classical melodies with jazz like guitar/drums/bass and classical keys. It's melody based music with a very even contribution of jazz/classical based instruments such as the usual guitar, bass and drums plus plenty of wind, brass and keys. The guitar is quite often background guitar chipping in within a complex melody or rythm and the drums have plenty of cymbal and snare work, while the bass is busy and really has alot of control of the melody. This music is interesting for many listens because of the melodies and the instruments along with the complexity. This was named PROG by the critics. But metal is the complete opposite. guitar dominated music, usually rythm and riff based where the guitar is up front and louder, the bass tends to just hold the rythm together rather than control it and the drums are mainly based on the toms and keeps the rythm interesting enough until you get bored of it after 2 listens Big smile, while there is almost a complete lack of keys. This is metal, but someone called it prog because it's being inventive. But i never thought about prog as being inventive, it's just exciting and it seemed inventive in 1970 because it wasn't standard hard rock Smile

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