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Originally posted by James James wrote:


Steering away from Germany and focusing on the Netherlands again, I thoroughly recommend any avant-jazz fans check out The Willem Breuker Kollektief. Big%20smileThumbs%20Up


Seconded.
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Han Bennink happens to be the brother of saxophonist Peter Bennink, who ran workshops in Arnhem in the 1980s.  Peter is briefly mentioned in the Nine Tobs biography (courtesy of Han Buhrs).

Steering away from Germany and focusing on the Netherlands again, I thoroughly recommend any avant-jazz fans check out The Willem Breuker Kollektief. Big%20smileThumbs%20Up


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Originally posted by DataBase DataBase wrote:

anybody have any commentaries on some of the earliest avant-garde progressive jazz musicians from Germany?
Like Rolf Kuhh, Peter Trunk, Peter Herbolzheimer, Dieter Reith, Albert Mangelsdorff, etc?
 
 I think you mean Rolf Kühn , brother of Joachim (who is more known), both bros studied classical piano, Rolf switched then  to Clarinet & sax. Both played mainstream Jazz ,Free Jazz  (Rolf  played among others with with  Albert Mangelsdorff) and Jazz rock
 
Peter Trunk was an underrated double bassplayer  (he is considered by many as the best German DB player), who started with postbop before moving into Free Jazz playing among others with Manfred Schoof and the other artists you mentioned
 
Albert Mangelsdorff is the most famous German trombone player. he started after the war playing in mainstream  big bands, moved then into Free Jazz among others with Alexander  Schlippenbach's Globe Unity Orchestra and Peter Brötzmann and took part also in the United Jazz and Rock Ensemble
 
Peter Herbolzheimer (trombone & arranger) is mainly known for  his Rhythm Combination and Brass (RB&C), which he formed in 1966 , good mainstream big band jazz.
 
Dieter Reith (piano and organ) played  in the mainstream field like Herbolzheimer with whom  he played a lot
 
 
BTW Han Bennink and Peter Brötzmann are far more into AvantGarde Jazz
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Has anyone heard Zs' new EP? I'm interested and it's super cheap on eMusic.
 
What about Circulations by Pierre-yves Macé? I wasn't particularly impressed by his debut on Tzadik on my first listen, but I hear that one is better.
Originally posted by avalanchemaster avalanchemaster wrote:

I do not think there is any such thing as "Bad RIO/Avant prog"......

you may not like their style, but they are in no way BAD!


and what is with all the Thinking Plague dislike?  they are one of my faves!
They're too repetitive and I find the writing more than a bit dull. It's like they're trying to write pop/rock, but are making everything dissonant instead of consonant.


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Originally posted by avalanchemaster avalanchemaster wrote:

I do not think there is any such thing as "Bad RIO/Avant prog"......

you may not like their style, but they are in no way BAD!


and what is with all the Thinking Plague dislike?  they are one of my faves!


Why don't I like Thinking Plague?  Like you said, I just don't like their style. 

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Originally posted by avalanchemaster avalanchemaster wrote:

I do not think there is any such thing as "Bad RIO/Avant prog"......

you may not like their style, but they are in no way BAD!


and what is with all the Thinking Plague dislike?  they are one of my faves!


I agree with that sentiment, though I haven't heard all RIO/Avant Prog, of course.

I need to hear Thinking Plague; I haven't required any of their stuff yet.
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I do not think there is any such thing as "Bad RIO/Avant prog"......

you may not like their style, but they are in no way BAD!


and what is with all the Thinking Plague dislike?  they are one of my faves!

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anybody have any commentaries on some of the earliest avant-garde progressive jazz musicians from Germany?
Like Rolf Kuhh, Peter Trunk, Peter Herbolzheimer, Dieter Reith, Albert Mangelsdorff, etc?
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Just like Soft Machine.  

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Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

Wasn't Dedicated to You but You Weren't Listening a Soft Machine song? 
 
It was, and the album features a stellar line up of (at the time) past, present and future Soft Machine members. I haven't heard it in yonks, though, and I can't remember if a version of the Soft Machine song is actually on the album or not.


There's a 30 second version of Dedicated on there, without any vocals, if memory serves.

I have The Keith Tippett Group's first album too and it's just as excellent.

For anyone interested in Nucleus, you should all try and listen to some Graham Collier Sextet, which features John Marshall, Karl Jenkins and a few others.


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Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

Wasn't Dedicated to You but You Weren't Listening a Soft Machine song? 
 
It was, and the album features a stellar line up of (at the time) past, present and future Soft Machine members. I haven't heard it in yonks, though, and I can't remember if a version of the Soft Machine song is actually on the album or not.
'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'

Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom


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Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

Wasn't Dedicated to You but You Weren't Listening a Soft Machine song? 


Yes it was.

It was written by Hugh Hopper.

However, Robert Wyatt guests on The Keith Tippett Group's album Dedicated to You, But You Weren't Listening and of course, Tippett guested on King Crimson and Soft Machine albums and live performances.

Tippett was on Lizard, for example.

Tippett's project Centipede features all of Soft Machine and was produced by Robert Fripp and also featured Mel Collins I think... or did it?  I forget... but I think Lyn Dobson was on it and he's guested with Krimson.

So Tippett was just giving a nod to his friends in Soft Machine.

Oh and Elton Dean was also a guest on it.
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Originally posted by DataBase DataBase wrote:

does Keith Tippett's Dedicated To You But You Werent Listening or Manfred Mann's Chap. 3 vol. 1 qualify as Avant Fusion?


Hmmm, well I've heard both albums and they're excellent, especially the former.

I'd say Keith Tippett's later albums, such as Blueprints and his Centipede and Ovary Lodge projects are more avant-garde... not so much fusion though.

As for the latter, I'd have to give it another listen.
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Wasn't Dedicated to You but You Weren't Listening a Soft Machine song? 

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does Keith Tippett's Dedicated To You But You Werent Listening or Manfred Mann's Chap. 3 vol. 1 qualify as Avant Fusion?
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Originally posted by song_of_copper song_of_copper wrote:

Originally posted by James James wrote:

I don't have boxes of CDs... just a coffee table stacked with CDs and CD racks that are supposed to be organised.

At least my MP3s are better organised. LOLEmbarrassed

This house is a complete tip!

You're not alone.  I have a fridge magnet which says, "A clean house is a sign of a wasted life."

You could say I'm not wasting my life... Embarrassed LOL
 
Clap agreed - and an untidy desk is a sure sign of genius.
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Originally posted by song_of_copper song_of_copper wrote:

Originally posted by James James wrote:

I don't have boxes of CDs... just a coffee table stacked with CDs and CD racks that are supposed to be organised.

At least my MP3s are better organised. LOLEmbarrassed

This house is a complete tip!

You're not alone.  I have a fridge magnet which says, "A clean house is a sign of a wasted life."

You could say I'm not wasting my life... Embarrassed LOL


I'm certainly not.  Confused
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Originally posted by James James wrote:

I don't have boxes of CDs... just a coffee table stacked with CDs and CD racks that are supposed to be organised.

At least my MP3s are better organised. LOLEmbarrassed

This house is a complete tip!

You're not alone.  I have a fridge magnet which says, "A clean house is a sign of a wasted life."

You could say I'm not wasting my life... Embarrassed LOL
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Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

Originally posted by James James wrote:

NeBeLNeST

Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

Nebelenest


I really am their only fan here, aren't I? 


Not at all.

I like their most recent one.  It's mostly their debut I'm not overwhelmed by.
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