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https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=62931 - No track times, musicians information section could perhaps be improved.


Bandcamp times:

1. The Tree (30:22) 
2. Clockwork For Uncertain Times (24:20) 
3. Silence And Ecstasy (12:27) 

Total Time 67:09 

Discogs times:

1. The Tree (30:22) 
2. Clockwork For Uncertain Times (24:20) 
3. Silence And Ecstasy (12:20) 

Total Time 67:02

Discogs CDr version credits:

- Gerd Weyhing / electric guitar, bass, keyboards, drums

Composed by Gerd Weyhing
Recorded, mixed and produced by Gerd Weyhing
Artwork and liner notes by Gerd Weyhing

CDr Self-released (7 December 2018, Germany)
Digital album 7 December 2018

The digital version musician credits on Discogs just say:

- Gerd Weyhing / all instruments and loops

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This other album by Gerd needs a bit of a tweak too imho: https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=62933.


Total Time 136:07

- Gerd Weyhing / all instruments

Composed, recorded and mastered by Gerd Weyhing

All tracks composed, performed and recorded live, with the exception of 'Landscape and Memory', which was mostly recorded live in Wiesbaden on 13th April 2013, while the guitar was recorded live at home on 16th March 2014.

2xCDr Self-released (29 March 2014, Germany)
Digital album 29 March 2014

- E&O Team: Thanks David, done.


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Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

Now, going back to another Philhelmon related topic from July 2023 that was never really resolved definitively:
Originally posted by mbzr48 mbzr48 wrote:

https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=72418
The name of the band is Crusade not Philhelmon! Philhelmon was the nickname of one of Crusade member "Henk Bol" that 38 years later put out the new band (he created "Philhelmon" in 2006) 1st album, so you can't call the album "Small as Blue (As Crusade)" cause Crusade was a band by itself, sorry it was my oversight when I added Crusade here, either Crusade will have their own page or here on top it should be Crusade/Philhelmon and the albums from 2012 & 2018 should be next to the album's name (as Philhelmon)

Eugene responded thus:

Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

Lots of confusion, Mayer.
We have the US prog-metal band CRUSADE, but obviously it has nothing common with Dutch project PHILHELMON.

As for Small and Blue album, I see 2 options:
1. Delete it because there is no Dutch band CRUSADE on PA.
2. Leave it as it is (i.e. "Small as Blue (As Crusade)") in PHILHELMON discography. In this case we have to change its release year to 2000, because this page reads:
"In 1974 they started recording at the Rainbow Studios in The Hague. These sessions were to produce a first single and an album. Due to the world wide oil crisis this was, unfortunately, never to be. The disappointment eventually led to the break up of the band.
In 2000 Sound Art & Design restored these recordings and now you can enjoy them too." 

What do you prefer?

Mayer never replied to this question, and the album is included on the Philhelmon Bandcamp page as a 1974 release.

So, I think it is correct to leave it on the Philhelmon page at Progarchives released as 'Crusade' as it currently is, but I would be inclined to change the release year to 2000 as Eugene suggests in his reply above, since that is when the album finally saw the light of day, and include a note at the bottom to say that: This album was recorded in 1974 at the Rainbow Studios in The Hague, but due to the Worldwide oil crisis at that time it never got released and the resulting disappointment led to the break up of Crusade as a band. In 2000 Sound Art & Design restored the recordings and finally released the album.

Thanks, David, done.
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^^ Thanks, done.
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^

This is the line-up according to the Discogs LP cover image:

- Einar Solberg / vocals, keyboards
- Tor Oddmund Suhrke / guitar
- Robin Ognedal / guitar
- Simen Daniel Børven / bass
- Baard Kolstad / drums
- Raphael Weinroth-Browne / cello
- Chris Baum / violin

Blåsemafian Brass Ensemble featuring Nora Hannisdal:
- Sigurd Evendsen / trombone
- Stig Espen Hundsnes / trumpet
- Jørgen Lund Karlsen / saxophone
- Nora Hannisdal / French horn

As well as there being no mention of a Pål Gunnar Fiksdal on trumpet, I can't find Henriette Lindstad Børven (violin), Ellen Fjærvoll Samdal (violin) or Karen Suhrke (cello) - who are also currently listed on our page - shown on that cover image either.
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On "Aphelion", from Leprous, there are some instruments missing on PA.

Brass Blåsernafian featuring Nora Hannisdal
Trombone: Sigurd Evendsen
Trumpet: Stig Espen Hundsnes
Saxophone: Jørgen Lund Karlsen
French horn: Nora Hannisdal

The booklet of my CD doesn't have a Pål Gunnar Fiksdal at trumpet

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Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

Maybe we need to contact Kathy Keller at OOB Records, who presumably have an official press kit for the release, or perhaps contact Philhelmon on Facebook to ask the question?

Henk Bol is a registered member here. He joined after Philhelmon was suggested for inclusion here by our old friend Svetonio in January 2013, when I was previously a member of the Crossover team, and he must have found the thread via an Internet search. However, his two posts in that thread were the only ones he ever made, and he's not logged into his account since early March 2013, so there's no point really in messaging him on here.

Anyhow, I sent a message to Philhelmon via their Facebook page, and let's see what happens. Maybe Henk will revive his PA account and respond in this thread, maybe Philhelmon will just supply the info I asked for via Facebook messenger, or maybe they won't pick the message up at all, in which case if we still can't find confirmation of the correct musicians credits via the Internet, I'll try Kathy Keller at OOB Records.

Now, going back to another Philhelmon related topic from July 2023 that was never really resolved definitively:
Originally posted by mbzr48 mbzr48 wrote:

https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=72418
The name of the band is Crusade not Philhelmon! Philhelmon was the nickname of one of Crusade member "Henk Bol" that 38 years later put out the new band (he created "Philhelmon" in 2006) 1st album, so you can't call the album "Small as Blue (As Crusade)" cause Crusade was a band by itself, sorry it was my oversight when I added Crusade here, either Crusade will have their own page or here on top it should be Crusade/Philhelmon and the albums from 2012 & 2018 should be next to the album's name (as Philhelmon)

Eugene responded thus:

Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

Lots of confusion, Mayer.
We have the US prog-metal band CRUSADE, but obviously it has nothing common with Dutch project PHILHELMON.

As for Small and Blue album, I see 2 options:
1. Delete it because there is no Dutch band CRUSADE on PA.
2. Leave it as it is (i.e. "Small as Blue (As Crusade)") in PHILHELMON discography. In this case we have to change its release year to 2000, because this page reads:
"In 1974 they started recording at the Rainbow Studios in The Hague. These sessions were to produce a first single and an album. Due to the world wide oil crisis this was, unfortunately, never to be. The disappointment eventually led to the break up of the band.
In 2000 Sound Art & Design restored these recordings and now you can enjoy them too." 

What do you prefer?

Mayer never replied to this question, and the album is included on the Philhelmon Bandcamp page as a 1974 release.

So, I think it is correct to leave it on the Philhelmon page at Progarchives released as 'Crusade' as it currently is, but I would be inclined to change the release year to 2000 as Eugene suggests in his reply above, since that is when the album finally saw the light of day, and include a note at the bottom to say that: This album was recorded in 1974 at the Rainbow Studios in The Hague, but due to the Worldwide oil crisis at that time it never got released and the resulting disappointment led to the break up of Crusade as a band. In 2000 Sound Art & Design restored the recordings and finally released the album.

Edit: Philhelmon have responded already to my message on Facebook, and are going to supply the correct musician credits for the 'Into the Mist of Time' album asap.


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Updated track listing for "Ocean Without a Shore" by Weather Systems.

Part One: First Steps
1. Synaesthesia (9:11)
2. Do Angels Sing Like Rain? (5:06)
3. Untouchable Part 3 (5:55)
4. Ghost In The Machine (4:53)
5. Are You There? Part 2 (5:58)

Part Two: Learning To Fly
6. Still Lake (5:58)
7. Take Me With You (6:09)
8. Ocean Without A Shore (7:17)
9. The Space Between Us (6:04)

Total Time 56:31

Progarchives - https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=87103
Discogs - https://www.discogs.com/release/31835846-Weather-Systems-Ocean-Without-A-Shore
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^ Good luck sorting that one out! 

Discogs hasn't got any info on the release as yet.

This is the Bandcamp and OOB Records version of it:

- Ky Fyfer / piano, lead guitar, bass guitar, drums, Mellotron, percussion, organ, synthesizers, GeoShred, lead vocals & vocal arrangements
- Henk Bol / all other instruments & arrangements
- Marlou Vriens / lead vocals & vocal arrangements (2,6-8)

- Tiger Brooke / backing vocals
- Margie Fifer-Hodgson / backing vocals
- Greg West / backing vocals
- Austin Wilson / backing vocals
- Dustin Rose / backing vocals

Featuring Guest Musicians:
- Cees Zoeteweij / organ, electric piano
- Greg den Hartog / lead guitar
- Ton Scherpenzeel / synthesizer solo
- Mels F. Bol / drums, poem
- Pjotr Jurtschenko / saxophone, flute
- John Voorbrood / lead guitar
- Hans Holema / lead guitar, synthesizer solo
- Mark Bogert / lead guitar
- Alessandro Bertoni / synthesizer solo - stage IV
- Martin Vermeulen /sonnet
- Cleem Determeijer / piano, keyboards, orchestral arrangements
- Nick Oosterhuis (R.I.P.) / music intro, piano intro

Compositions by Henk Ph.J. Bol & Cees Zoeteweij (1)
Lyrics by Henk Ph.J. Bol & Ky Fifer

Proggnosis agrees with Mayer's version, giving details of the different track numbers that the various guest artists perform on, but where this originally came from I have no idea, since I can't make out this kind of information printed on any of the CD booklet images I could find (though I didn't find a version that I could zoom in on and read properly). However, Proggnosis and Mayer's version disagrees with Bandcamp and OOB Records regarding the instruments that the two leading musicians played, so what the truth actually is I just don't know. Confused

Edit: There's a review of the album here by a Dutch guy which also backs up the Mayer/Proggnosis take on the matter, but why would Bandcamp and OOB Records have a different one?

Maybe we need to contact Kathy Keller at OOB Records, who presumably have an official press kit for the release, or perhaps contact Philhelmon on Facebook to ask the question?


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^ Thanks Mayer, both done.

except I'm confused with the first line of the line-up/musicians:

- Henk Bol / all instruments but..., Mellotron (3), percussion (3), organ (3), synthesizers (3), GeoShred (3)

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https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=86645

1. Into the Mist of Time (6:26)
2. Carousel (4:53)
3. A Piece of the Machine (3:32)
4. Diamond Eyes (6:18)
5. Shades of Autumn - Winter Storm (6:28)
6. A World Encased in Glass (4:59)
7. Dreamtime (6:51)
8. Burning Bridge (4:19)
9. Dreams Without an End (15:10)
10. Time Flies (7:27)
11. She (3:23)

Total Time 69:52
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https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=86422

1. Promises (5:16)
2. The Great Unknown (7:03)
3. The Wake (7:29)
4. Solitude (5:27)
5. From Ashes (5:35)
6. Final Call (6:10)
7. Blank Pages (5:02)
8. ...of Endless Echoes (14:21)

Total Time 56:23
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^^ Thanks, Mayer, both done.
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https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=86292

1. Chaos (11:36)
2. Paralyzed (8:58)
3. Westminster Bridge (7:12)
4. Requiem for the Last One (9:53)
5. Crossroads (10:18)
6. The Miracle (5:46)
7. Burning and Drowning (7:23)
8. Failing (9:42)

Total Time 70:47
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https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=86696

1. Waltz for the Dead  (1:53)
2. Proof of Life (2:49)
3. Seeds (2:39)
4. Unearth (4:21)
5. Intermission 3 (0:52)
6. Stone Faces (3:15)
7. Paradigm Lost (6:24)
8. Ascend (3:14)
9. Being (9:00)

Total Time 34:13
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@YamYam and Logan,

Thank you. indeed I see it now with the new image.

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Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

^ It looks as though someone has already done that for you. The image that is currently on your page and the Bandcamp one that you link to above are identical when viewed in adjacent browser windows.

There is apparently a delay when an artist image is updated. A similar situation occurred a few days ago when a Special Collaborator updated an artist image. When he looked back at the page to check the results of his action, all he saw was the same image that he was trying to change - even several hours later - and he thought that his efforts had failed.

One of our E&O Team members who updates artist images regularly on here wrote this to explain what had happened:

Originally posted by projeKct projeKct wrote:

From experience, updating an album cover is a matter of seconds, but updating an artist image takes a few hours. And even then, sometimes you need to do a full refresh in your browser (Ctr+F5) to see the changes.


If you are still seeing the old image on your page, maybe you could try a full browser refresh as suggested there.


Thanks for that, I was the one who had changed it but thought the image had not taken. Not only had I tried a browser reset, I even tried it another browser and still got the same image. I should have tried clearing cookies if I had not already.
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^ It looks as though someone has already done that for you. The image that is currently on your page and the Bandcamp one that you link to above are identical when viewed in adjacent browser windows.

There is apparently a delay when an artist image is updated. A similar situation occurred a few days ago when a Special Collaborator updated an artist image. When he looked back at the page to check the results of his action, all he saw was the same image that he was trying to change - even several hours later - and he thought that his efforts had failed.

One of our E&O Team members who updates artist images regularly on here wrote this to explain what had happened:

Originally posted by projeKct projeKct wrote:

From experience, updating an album cover is a matter of seconds, but updating an artist image takes a few hours. And even then, sometimes you need to do a full refresh in your browser (Ctr+F5) to see the changes.


If you are still seeing the old image on your page, maybe you could try a full browser refresh as suggested there.
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hello

can you please remove the image from this page: https://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=9405

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this is the official one in my bandcamp page: handwrist.bandcamp.com

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