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Catcher10 
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VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17848 |
 Posted: July 06 2010 at 16:39 |
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Then it should be illegal to try period.......they were both going after the ball..no foul, no card at all was the correct call.
Get out of the kitchen if u don't like the heat...can't red card everytime someone falls down.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19535 |
Posted: July 06 2010 at 16:34 |
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In first place, thee's no such thing as Chilena, the official name is CHALACA and was invented in Callao - Perú in the second half of the XIX Century. http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilena_(f%C3%BAtbol) Even in the FIFA,. the name Chalaca is the official, as a fact the hstorian Jorge Basadre describes the play as registered in August 3 1892 in a game between Lima and Callao.
Now, the back kick is illegal when a player is near because it's an extremely dangerous play.
Iván Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - July 06 2010 at 16:37 |
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: July 06 2010 at 16:18 |
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Well, let's agree to disagree, we saw completely different matches.
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jampa17
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Joined: July 04 2009 Location: Guatemala Status: Offline Points: 6802 |
Posted: July 06 2010 at 16:15 |
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I am an Argenitan fan way more than Uruguayan man, but the way the lost was so clear who was better. Today Holland didn't play the way the want to, Uruguay take the lead after they make the goal and then it was a well balanced match until they committed a goal in a clear offside. Then of course, Holland played the way the wanted. Just like Brazil, when they are winning they do feel like they are great until they are down, then the team shows their weakness...
Again, Germany should crash them...
And you have to agree, Forlán is way more better than to so called "stars" from Holland...
BTW: dont' feel bad about it Alex, my team has never get into a WC. Guatemala has failed time and time again.   Edited by jampa17 - July 06 2010 at 16:17 |
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jampa17
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Posted: July 06 2010 at 16:09 |
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And com'on, how many red cards have you seen for "chilenas" kicking the faces of an opponent. I'm not quite sure what the rules said about it, but I seriously doubt it was a red card. What? the player of Uruguay have eyes on the feet or what...?
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: July 06 2010 at 16:06 |
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I understand Juan, he's a great fan of Uruguay and sees everything from the fan's perspective. I would have preferred being a supporter at this World Cup too, instead of an "objective spectator", but my team didn't even qualify at this World Cup...
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: July 06 2010 at 16:02 |
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I don't know what game you saw Jampa.
Uruguay only played the last 5 minutes, the rest of the game Netherlads played when they wanted.
They stopped afte the first goal and were tied, but after that, Netherlands was much better when they wanted.
Yes Van Bommel kicked everything that moves, but Uruguayans were no saints, in the minute 22 Pereira got yellow card that could well had been red and that back kick in the face of Demi de Zeeuw should had been red card.
At the end the referee allowed 3 extra minutes and went until 50:30.
Iván Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - July 06 2010 at 16:03 |
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Catcher10
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Posted: July 06 2010 at 15:55 |
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And I agree.....the officials have no clue on the stopage time....3 min to 5 min....why??
Good game, UY just began their push too late. Too bad....
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: July 06 2010 at 15:52 |
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I think it was obvious that Holland was better (let's remember that Uruguay missed three key players, Suarez, Lugano and Fucile). And if Van Persie doesn't touch the ball, he's not influencing the phase (because "the phase" is a shot on goal).
From Wikipedia: A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is touched or played by a team-mate is only committing an offside offence if, in the opinion of the referee, he becomes actively involved in play by
From his offside position, Van Persie does not touch the ball, does not interfere with an opponent, and doesn't gain an advantage by being in offside because the ball doesn't rebound. It wasn't an "offside offense". About Van Bommel, I didn't notice but I trust you guys. I do want the better team to win, which is why I would have wanted Ghana instead.  But even if Ghana was a bit better than Uruguay, I don't think they would have done better than Uruguay against Holland.Edited by harmonium.ro - July 06 2010 at 15:53 |
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jampa17
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Posted: July 06 2010 at 15:44 |
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: July 06 2010 at 15:39 |
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That's not correct, an offside position =/= offside offense. The referees whistle only offside offenses. If a guy is in offside position when his team scores, the goal is valid if he didn't take part in the phase. |
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b4usleep
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Joined: December 21 2009 Location: Istanbul Status: Offline Points: 620 |
Posted: July 06 2010 at 15:37 |
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In order to do that Germany should crash Spain first. |
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Really don't mind if you sit this one out.
My words but a whisper, your deafness a shout. |
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The Quiet One
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Joined: January 16 2008 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 15745 |
Posted: July 06 2010 at 15:37 |
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I wore my Netherlands t-shirt allthrough the school today
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: July 06 2010 at 15:36 |
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Not a clear offside, Only one leg if anything. I don't think the ref was wrong to give the goal.
Agree about Van Bommel. He had about 15 fouls in the game and he finally got one at the end of the game.
In the end Uraguay should have started to pressure the Dutch goal as soon as it was 3 1 not when they got to 3 2.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: July 06 2010 at 15:36 |
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I agree that Paraguay's disallowed goal was correct, Juan. Should have been 1-0 for them at that point.
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Lizzy
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Posted: July 06 2010 at 15:36 |
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Yay! Congrats to both teams! It was a close one towards the end!
I completely agree about van Bommel. He should've been booked at least 6 or 7 times in the past two matches and he finally got one for what? Protesting? Hmpf! Better than nothing! I also did not like Robben's performance. Happened in the game against Brazil as well. Why on earth does he have to show off with one or two extra dribblings instead of passing that darn ball? He knows he's going to lose it, yet insists with that. Thank heavens for that goal, but even that was basically placed on his head by Kuyt. But hey, my first desired finalist is through. Waiting for a good match from the Germans tomorrow. |
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The Quiet One
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Posted: July 06 2010 at 15:35 |
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HELL YEAH! What a great match, Uruguay played very well that they surprised me. However, like Ivan, I think that those extra extra minutes were wrong.
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jampa17
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Posted: July 06 2010 at 15:34 |
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: July 06 2010 at 15:31 |
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Stolen victory? You've seen the different match again, Juan
It wasn't offside, the player in offside position doesn't touch the ball. The replays showed it clearly. The qualification over Ghana, now that's what I'd call a "stolen victory" The obvious thing to happen happened today... But it was a good fight. |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: July 06 2010 at 15:31 |
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No Jampa, it wasn't off side, two players in the line is not off side.
Now, that referee was drunk, he gave 3 minutes but allowed 5.
Iván.
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