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Evandro Martini 
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 Posted: July 10 2007 at 18:13 |
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Well, I'm one of those who care for the top 100, and I didn't like the new algo. Ok, Bacamarte and Harmonium on the top 20 is great, but I perferred the other list, where the grading were important but the amount of reviews too.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: July 10 2007 at 18:11 |
 OpethGuitarist wrote:
good thing theres still like all of my favorite albums NOT in the top 100
top 100 could be reversed to bottom 100 for me and I really would have few complaints, heh
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Damn Joey you must like some terrible music then if it's not even on the top 100.
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bhikkhu
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Posted: July 10 2007 at 18:11 |
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OpethGuitarist
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Posted: July 10 2007 at 18:06 |
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good thing theres still like all of my favorite albums NOT in the top 100
top 100 could be reversed to bottom 100 for me and I really would have few complaints, heh
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back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: July 10 2007 at 18:06 |
russellk wrote:
Benn thinking about this change this morning.
Many of us experienced prog-heads profess our disinterest in the Top 100 (doesn't stop us posting though). So who is the Top 100 for?
In my opinion it serves the newer prog-lover, someone looking to build up their infant collection.
That's why a weighting for popularity was very important in the old system. A newcomer to prog needs, surely, to listen to the most widely acclaimed progressive music before branching out. Yes, they should branch out, which is why the site has 'Top' lists in all the different and challenging prog genres. But listening to the top 100 should be the first aim.
That 'popularity' weighting has largely gone.
So what will happen now? Some of the more obscure albums lauded by a few are now in the Top 100. Newcomers to prog will purchase them. They may find the music too much for their uneducated ears, and put aside prog altogether, or at the least the genre from which the album they purchased comes from.
My point? The change is great for me: it highlights some new music to get hold of (I've not heard BACAMARTE, for example). But the Top 100 is not for me, a prog lover since the early '70s. It's for the newcomer, who will, I think, be somewhat disconcerted by some of the music they may inadvertently end up with. |
When I was getting introduced to prog and I found this site the first albums I bought were those from bands I had never heard of before. I cut my teeth on Pavlov's Dog, Gnidrolog, The Residents, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, PFM, and VDGG.
If someone is looking to explore prog they're doing so because they want something different, something they've never heard before. There's no danger of scarring off someone with this sort of exploratory mindset. On the contrary the danger is boring him so he thinks prog doesn't have the answer I'm looking for; at which point he goes looking for free jazz or whatnot to satisfy him.
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russellk
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Posted: July 10 2007 at 17:59 |
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Been thinking about this change this morning.
Many of us experienced prog-heads profess our disinterest in the Top 100 (doesn't stop us posting though). So who is the Top 100 for?
In my opinion it serves the newer prog-lover, someone looking to build up their infant collection.
That's why a weighting for popularity was very important in the old system. A newcomer to prog needs, surely, to listen to the most widely acclaimed progressive music before branching out. Yes, they should branch out, which is why the site has 'Top' lists in all the different and challenging prog genres. But listening to the top 100 should be the first aim.
That 'popularity' weighting has largely gone.
So what will happen now? Some of the more obscure albums lauded by a few are now in the Top 100. Newcomers to prog will purchase them. They may find the music too much for their uneducated ears, and put prog aside altogether, or at the least discard the genre from which comes the album they purchased.
My point? The change is great for me: it highlights some new music to get hold of (I've not heard BACAMARTE, for example). But the Top 100 is not for me, a prog lover since the early '70s. It's for the newcomer, who will, I think, be somewhat disconcerted by some of the music they may inadvertently end up with.
Edited by russellk - July 10 2007 at 18:03
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Dim
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Posted: July 10 2007 at 17:59 |
WYWH Does not belong in the top ten, I know some people can't seem to fing the difference between a good album and a good prog album. I totally agree we should do something about this apostrophy. 
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Dirk
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Posted: July 10 2007 at 17:55 |
Floyd on first position, PFM in top 10 and Bacamarte on14th position,Grobschnitt's Solar music live back in top 100, i'm definitely not complaining  . And indeed if this thread wasn't here i wouldn't have noticed for a month.
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Arsillus
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Posted: July 10 2007 at 17:51 |
The hidden faction of deviants to destroy PA is exposed. 
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Dean
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Posted: July 10 2007 at 17:48 |
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What?
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sleeper
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Posted: July 10 2007 at 17:47 |
Deathrabbit wrote:
I think it would be cool if the algorithm factored in sales of the albums somehow. Not too much, mind you, but it should get a tad bit of a say. Just a little. Really tiny adjustment.
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Well, considering that Dark Side Of The Moon is in the 30-40 million sales region and many/most albums here are sub 10 000, I fail to see the point.
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Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Failcore
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Posted: July 10 2007 at 17:33 |
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I think it would be cool if the algorithm factored in sales of the albums somehow. Not too much, mind you, but it should get a tad bit of a say. Just a little. Really tiny adjustment.
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Dean
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Posted: July 10 2007 at 17:23 |
chamberry wrote:
I was looking at one of my reviews giving the band a 3 star and the result is 3.53. I also gave the same band a 4 star on another album and the results is 3.54.
I'm not that good at math so that's probably why I didn't understood the wikipedia definition. 
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I guess the rating weights have changed. But with only 1 rating for each album the weighted average should be the same as the mean average which in turn should be equal to the rating you gave.
However, it does look like the Colaborator weighting has gone awry on your 4-star review.
Edited by darqdean - July 10 2007 at 17:28
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What?
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Yorkie X
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Posted: July 10 2007 at 17:20 |
98. EMERSON LAKE & PALMER (ELP)
Brain Salad Surgery 
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SFranke
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Posted: July 10 2007 at 17:18 |
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I'd like to know what the weights are. Before, a reviewer's review was worth 2, a review >200 words was worth 1.5, and short reviews and ratings were worth 1, I believe.
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oracus
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Posted: July 10 2007 at 17:08 |
Sorry for that, but i think the old one was more accurate.
ÄNGLAGÅRD's Hybris on 17th position? 
98. EMERSON LAKE & PALMER (ELP)
Brain Salad Surgery
That seems really strange. I'm not the biggest ELP fan in the world, but 98 position is definitely unfair..
Edited by oracus - July 10 2007 at 17:12
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Rocktopus
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Posted: July 10 2007 at 17:01 |
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First time I bothered to look art it in a long time. Better than I remembered. Some more non-british albums, and PFM in top ten is great.
Robert Wyatt and Peter Hammill in too, and Brain Salad Surgery on its way out for good!
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darkshade
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Posted: July 10 2007 at 16:57 |
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ITCOTCK will forever remain at #7 haha
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micky
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Posted: July 10 2007 at 16:57 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: July 10 2007 at 16:56 |
^ I come here to keep a count of how many anti-US government remarks I hear a day
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