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Padraic 
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 Posted: December 31 2013 at 09:07 |
 horsewithteeth11 wrote:
Divisional:
Panthers over Eagles (Carolina's D I think is the edge.)
Seahawks over Packers (Unless they have to put up 30+, I don't see Seattle losing at home.)
Patriots over Chiefs (Pats. Foxboro. Divisional Round. Enough said.)
Bengals over Broncos (I might get laughed at for this one, but I could see both teams putting up 40 here. I have zero confidence in Denver's D, and I don't think they win a SB because of it. Von Miller was the only guy for them that I think worries other teams and he's out. I think which Dalton shows up here depends on who wins though.)
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If the Chiefs win, doesn't Denver face them and the Pats get Cincy?
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: December 31 2013 at 09:01 |
Padraic wrote:
ClemofNazareth wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
That's a terrible argument which addresses none of the points I made. They lost to three non-playoff teams? Yeah so does just about every team in the league. They're 10-6. They didn't need an interception to beat Dallas. They led the entire game. They needed to hold that lead. They did. Your counterpoint to my facts is that the Eagles didn't beat a divisional opponent convincingly enough?
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My argument is that they played a weak schedule in a weak division, went 1-3 versus playoff teams (beat a Packers team that was missing Rodgers and Cobb), and with the talent they have should have gone 13-3 or even 14-2. Wasted talent.
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A new coach comes in, having never coached a single game in the NFL, and because he didn't take a 4-12 team to 14-2 they have somehow wasted their talent. I expected them to be a .500 team this year and they have exceeded my expectations. Also, a lot of their losses came early when they were starting Vick and their defense was not playing as well as they are now. They were 7-1 in the latter half of the season; if a confident Nick Foles had been playing from Day 1 they may indeed have won at least 13 games (the Chargers were beatable, they blew that one, and had really subpar performances against Dallas and New York). |
Vick's boneheaded turnovers cost them that Chiefs game. I have little doubt that Foles would have won that one.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: December 31 2013 at 09:00 |
ClemofNazareth wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
That's a terrible argument which addresses none of the points I made. They lost to three non-playoff teams? Yeah so does just about every team in the league. They're 10-6. They didn't need an interception to beat Dallas. They led the entire game. They needed to hold that lead. They did. Your counterpoint to my facts is that the Eagles didn't beat a divisional opponent convincingly enough?
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My argument is that they played a weak schedule in a weak division, went 1-3 versus playoff teams (beat a Packers team that was missing Rodgers and Cobb), and with the talent they have should have gone 13-3 or even 14-2. Wasted talent.
Big offense numbers don't translate to Lombardi trophies, taking advantage of opportunities does. The '11 Saints had over 7,400 yards total offense but didn't make it to the division game. The '78 Pats had over 3,000 yards rushing but were one and done. Both teams gave up lots of turnovers and left points on the field.
The Eagles are average among playoff teams in turnover differential and would be much worse were it not for the hapless Bears. They're average in 3rd & 4th down conversions. I just don't see many indications they have the goods to win the 4 consecutive games against stiff competition it'll take to hoist a trophy.
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The Eagles' strength of schedule was higher than: Broncos, Chargers, Chiefs, Colts What talent is on the Eagles' roster? They were one of the worst teams in the league last year. The year before that they were 3-8 before winning meaningless slop games to even their record out. The team was terrible. It was a franchise worst defense and historically bad red zone defense. They're starting a second year Rd 3 QB. The defense transfered from a 4-3 wide nine to a 3-4 two gap system. Everything that you have said applies fivefold to the Chiefs, but you made no such comments. The Eagles have committed five turnovers in their last 12 games. They do not give the ball away. The Eagles are not average in turnover differential. They are tied for second in the league at +12. The Packers needed a 4th and nine blown coverage touchdown to come back and beat the Bears in the final game. The Eagles dominated them. They held them, the second best offense in the league at the time, to 11 points. Say that you don't think the Eagles will go far in the postseason. That's fine. I don't care. Don't say things that aren't true.
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Padraic
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Posted: December 31 2013 at 08:51 |
ClemofNazareth wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
That's a terrible argument which addresses none of the points I made. They lost to three non-playoff teams? Yeah so does just about every team in the league. They're 10-6. They didn't need an interception to beat Dallas. They led the entire game. They needed to hold that lead. They did. Your counterpoint to my facts is that the Eagles didn't beat a divisional opponent convincingly enough?
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My argument is that they played a weak schedule in a weak division, went 1-3 versus playoff teams (beat a Packers team that was missing Rodgers and Cobb), and with the talent they have should have gone 13-3 or even 14-2. Wasted talent.
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A new coach comes in, having never coached a single game in the NFL, and because he didn't take a 4-12 team to 14-2 they have somehow wasted their talent. I expected them to be a .500 team this year and they have exceeded my expectations. Also, a lot of their losses came early when they were starting Vick and their defense was not playing as well as they are now. They were 7-1 in the latter half of the season; if a confident Nick Foles had been playing from Day 1 they may indeed have won at least 13 games (the Chargers were beatable, they blew that one, and had really subpar performances against Dallas and New York).
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ClemofNazareth
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Posted: December 31 2013 at 08:28 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
That's a terrible argument which addresses none of the points I made. They lost to three non-playoff teams? Yeah so does just about every team in the league. They're 10-6. They didn't need an interception to beat Dallas. They led the entire game. They needed to hold that lead. They did. Your counterpoint to my facts is that the Eagles didn't beat a divisional opponent convincingly enough?
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My argument is that they played a weak schedule in a weak division, went 1-3 versus playoff teams (beat a Packers team that was missing Rodgers and Cobb), and with the talent they have should have gone 13-3 or even 14-2. Wasted talent.
Big offense numbers don't translate to Lombardi trophies, taking advantage of opportunities does. The '11 Saints had over 7,400 yards total offense but didn't make it to the division game. The '78 Pats had over 3,000 yards rushing but were one and done. Both teams gave up lots of turnovers and left points on the field.
The Eagles are average among playoff teams in turnover differential and would be much worse were it not for the hapless Bears. They're average in 3rd & 4th down conversions. I just don't see many indications they have the goods to win the 4 consecutive games against stiff competition it'll take to hoist a trophy.
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Posted: December 31 2013 at 00:13 |
Even though I waxed lyrical, yet again, I'm sure I'll be bashed for my one slightly negative comment against Seattle LOL as always seems to happen!
In news no one cares about, reports are Giants OC Kevin Gilbride is likely to be fired. I hope so! Honestly, we won in spite of him more than because of him. Even though the deep pass game is well suited for Eli has always has played his best ball in the no huddle. I NEVER got why they kept with the old school huddle, go to line, audible (oh sh*t get ball with .01 seconds left) offense. Esp with our crap O line! These line and stagnation issues could've been tempered with more no huddle.
I'd love nothing more than a 3 WR, no huddle Eli offense. That'd be great, but in my dreams  Defense ended up 8th ranked I think. Surprising turn around, esp in the secondary. Some strong new players and Rolle randomly had a good year WTF. Get some better pass blockers and color me cautiously optimistic
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Posted: December 31 2013 at 00:01 |
It stands to reason and year long play that the playoffs will end like this:
Seattle vs San Fran or Seattle vs Saints
Regardless: Seattle takes the NFC title
Hawks really are the best team I think in the whole NFL and their rigged stadium (lol sorry no other way to put it) is a fortress. San Fran has their full arsenal AND are not limping in the playoffs but at full health. I see them as a mild darkhorse. Let's see what Kap really has.
The Saints are the obvious other choice but they do look off, if not anemic, on the road away from their fantasy dome and Brees has struggled more away from home this year than usual. With that I DO see a pretty solid chance Philly goes deep. Defense may not be great but certainly solid enough, plenty of weapons and Foles has had a glorious run. I see them as a legit sleeper.
That said, I say no one tops Seattle. Crushing defense. All 3 levels are STACKED with great players. They stuff the run, pass rush, cover, tackle. No D plays like them this year. Wilson and co are solid with enough skill to up their game beyond "manager" mode. I like this team.
AFC: Denver vs Pats
What else could it be? Dalton is inconsistent, I guess he can throw together an Eli/Rodgers/Flacco run. All he needs is a few good games. Intriguing, but not sold.
Nothing else impresses me. Indy? Meh. Chargers LOL they shouldn't even be in here. Chiefs, if they can return to soul crushing defense AND Alex Smith and co maintain their new spark who knows! I hate Denver's defense, they are fairly poor and sans Von Miller but hey, they can get by and AFC is weak.
Denver takes the AFC for a Broncos/Seahawks SB
Can't call a winner, but that'd be one f**kin epic game. Defense vs potent offense, the legend vs upcoming star
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: December 30 2013 at 21:28 |
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That's a terrible argument which addresses none of the points I made. They lost to three non-playoff teams? Yeah so does just about every team in the league. They're 10-6.
They didn't need an interception to beat Dallas. They led the entire game. They needed to hold that lead. They did. Your counterpoint to my facts is that the Eagles didn't beat a divisional opponent convincingly enough?
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Posted: December 30 2013 at 21:21 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
ClemofNazareth wrote:
Wildcards:Saints beat Eagles (the only team who can find more ways to waste talent than Philly is Dallas) |
Lol
wot? The Eagles just set franchise records in yards. Had a player set a
franchise record in rushing yards and yards from scrimmage. Had that
same player win the league rushing title. Their QB leads the league in
quarterback rating and posted the third best season quarterback rating
of all time. Their two WRs both set career bests in TDS, yards, and
receptions. They led the league in yards per play. They set a NFL record
for most plays of 20+ yards. They're second in the league in yards and
fourth in points. So lol wha? |
And lost to three non-playoff teams and needed a turd INT from a career backup QB with two minutes to go at the end of the season to stumble their way into the playoffs. Like I said, wasted talent.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: December 30 2013 at 20:54 |
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
With Geno Atkins, I'd take the Bengals. Without him, I really just don't trust Andy Dalton enough.
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You know the Bengals are 8-0 at home, their last 5 home scores have been 34, 42, 42, 41 & 49 and they've already beaten San Diego in San Diego? While San Diego just squeaked by the Chiefs B team at home in a game they should have lost? |
Yes. I do watch football. I think the Chargers win a shootout.
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horsewithteeth11
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Posted: December 30 2013 at 20:50 |
I did, yes. Thank you for that.
*Facepalm*
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Posted: December 30 2013 at 20:45 |
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^ You mean Seahawks over Packers...right?
Edited by Catcher10 - December 30 2013 at 20:45
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horsewithteeth11
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Posted: December 30 2013 at 20:31 |
Wildcard Rd:Packers over SF (Even though they're #21 in DVoA, I think the Packers scrape a win a home.)Eagles over Saints (Saints are a different team on the road than at home.)Chiefs over Colts (I think it's nuts the Colts are getting -2.5 in this game.)Bengals over Chargers (Cincy can put up 30-45 at home easily.)Divisional:Panthers over Eagles (Carolina's D I think is the edge.)Seahawks over Packers (Unless they have to put up 30+, I don't see Seattle losing at home.)Patriots over Chiefs (Pats. Foxboro. Divisional Round. Enough said.)Bengals over Broncos (I might get laughed at for this one, but I could see both teams putting up 40 here. I have zero confidence in Denver's D, and I don't think they win a SB because of it. Von Miller was the only guy for them that I think worries other teams and he's out. I think which Dalton shows up here depends on who wins though.)Champ:Seahawks over Panthers (Given neither of these teams score big points and both have great defenses, I'll take the home team.)Bengals over Pats (They already beat the Pats in Cincy, and I think Brady's done an incredible job of hiding the major inefficiencies they have offensively. I don't see it being enough to get them to another SB.)SB: Seahawks over Bengals
Yes, I probably picked the 2 deepest teams. But I'm at the point where I think those are the teams that tend to win Super Bowls. Because let's face it, probably about 20-40% of the best players on all these teams are injured or beat up in some way. And you don't need a great defense or a superstar QB to make it to or win a SB.
Edit: Assuming either of my SB picks screw this up, it's because either Seattle gets dragged into a shootout, or the wrong Andy Dalton shows up to a game and throws 4 picks like he did last week.
Edited by horsewithteeth11 - December 30 2013 at 20:51
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Posted: December 30 2013 at 20:06 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
With Geno Atkins, I'd take the Bengals. Without him, I really just don't trust Andy Dalton enough.
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You know the Bengals are 8-0 at home, their last 5 home scores have been 34, 42, 42, 41 & 49 and they've already beaten San Diego in San Diego? While San Diego just squeaked by the Chiefs B team at home in a game they should have lost?
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Posted: December 30 2013 at 19:59 |
Mellotron Storm wrote:
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Mellotron Storm wrote:
Wow i'm surprised that a few think Green bay will beat the 49ers. I just have a feeling they will go all the way this year. Maybe it's just because they have ended the season on a run and I think it will continue.I'm going with the 49ers, Bengals, Chiefs and Saints in the first round. |
Well I'm a Seahawks fan so I'd rather not see the 49ers again. |
I've disliked the 49ers for as long as I can remember so i'd love to see the Seahawks beat them which they should at home. I just have this feeling but I hope i'm wrong. |
Seahawks fan also, behind the Saints......this is exactly why I picked the 49ers over Sea....a gut feeling. I think Harbaugh is a bit better coach than Carroll is right now too.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: December 30 2013 at 19:46 |
ClemofNazareth wrote:
Wildcards:
Saints beat Eagles (the only team who can find more ways to waste talent than Philly is Dallas)
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Lol
wot? The Eagles just set franchise records in yards. Had a player set a
franchise record in rushing yards and yards from scrimmage. Had that
same player win the league rushing title. Their QB leads the league in
quarterback rating and posted the third best season quarterback rating
of all time. Their two WRs both set career bests in TDS, yards, and
receptions. They led the league in yards per play. They set a NFL record
for most plays of 20+ yards. They're second in the league in yards and
fourth in points. So lol wha?
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Posted: December 30 2013 at 19:26 |
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Mellotron Storm wrote:
Wow i'm surprised that a few think Green bay will beat the 49ers. I just have a feeling they will go all the way this year. Maybe it's just because they have ended the season on a run and I think it will continue.I'm going with the 49ers, Bengals, Chiefs and Saints in the first round. |
Well I'm a Seahawks fan so I'd rather not see the 49ers again. |
I've disliked the 49ers for as long as I can remember so i'd love to see the Seahawks beat them which they should at home. I just have this feeling but I hope i'm wrong.
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Posted: December 30 2013 at 18:57 |
Mellotron Storm wrote:
Wow i'm surprised that a few think Green bay will beat the 49ers. I just have a feeling they will go all the way this year. Maybe it's just because they have ended the season on a run and I think it will continue.I'm going with the 49ers, Bengals, Chiefs and Saints in the first round. |
Well I'm a Seahawks fan so I'd rather not see the 49ers again.
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Posted: December 30 2013 at 18:02 |
ClemofNazareth wrote:
Wildcards:Packers beat 49ers (Green Bay is way better than their record, Gore is out of gas, SF lost 6 of 8 on the road this year)
Saints beat Eagles (the only team who can find more ways to waste talent than Philly is Dallas)
KC beats Colts (really this one could go either way)
Bengals over Chargers (Chargers only beat KC's junior varsity team 'cause Succop gagged)
Division round:Packers beat Panthers (Carolina has played way beyond their capabilities and Rodgers is in fighting form)
Seahawks beat Saints (all 5 Saints losses this year were on the road)
Patriots beat Bengals (Andy Ginger gets his ass handed to him)
Broncos crush KC (C'mon, we all know how this season turns out)
Conference finals:Seahawks beat Packers (Lacy goes down in Carolina and suddenly one-dimensional Rodgers throws 3 picks)
Broncos beat Patriots (like I said...)
Super Bowl: Denver wraps up game by halftime. Brock Osweiler starts third quarter, torches Seattle D for 3 scores, Browns withdraw their interest in Dan Quinn for their newly vacated head coaching position. Manning announces retirement, shows up in workout gear next fall at the Meadowlands. Favre hires Eli as special teams coach for his high school team. |
There is legit and real, better information in this post than what ESPN could ever report on......
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Posted: December 30 2013 at 17:40 |
Wow i'm surprised that a few think Green bay will beat the 49ers. I just have a feeling they will go all the way this year. Maybe it's just because they have ended the season on a run and I think it will continue. I'm going with the 49ers, Bengals, Chiefs and Saints in the first round.
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