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Capello would never succeed. No foreigner has ever won a world cup as a coach. Check the 4 semifinalists. Capello's style is ultra-italian, they need to give 2737282828282828 to Alex Ferguson and make him their coach.
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

England is the smallest of the big ones, I will say then. 


With that I agree, they have had many great teams but usually didn't win at top level, which leaves behind other trophy  holders.
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Can't argue with that Teo.

England's record at tournaments is abysmal.
 
There was genuine belief in the country that Capello would continue the form the team showed in qualification but yet again they froze on the big stage. It defies all logic.
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The English have a style that I usually like, leaving me with great memories after many matches, whether they won or lost. Such great matches that I saw: England-Argentina at WC1998, England-Romania at WC1998 and Euro2000, England-Germany at Euro1996, England-Portugal at Euro2000 and Euro2004, and some other great matches in the qualifying stages for various tournaments. Not to mention many other great games from WC1986&1990 (great team), WC 1970, etc. They are a high profile team at least because of this aspect.  
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World cup statistics: (England 7th)
TeamTitlesRunners-upThird placeFourth place
 Brazil5 (1958, 1962, 1970, 1994, 2002)2 (1950*, 1998)2 (1938, 1978)1 (1974)
 Italy4 (1934*, 1938, 1982, 2006)2 (1970, 1994)1 (1990*)1 (1978)
 Germany^C3 (1954, 1974*, 1990)4 (1966, 1982, 1986, 2002)3 (1934, 1970, 2006*)1 (1958)
 Argentina2 (1978*, 1986)2 (1930, 1990)——
 UruguayIII2 (1930*, 1950)——2 (1954, 1970)
 France1 (1998*)1 (2006)2 (1958, 1986)1 (1982)
 England1 (1966*)——1 (1990)
 NetherlandsC—2 (1974, 1978)—1 (1998)
 Czechoslovakia#—2 (1934, 1962)——
 Hungary—2 (1938, 1954)——
 Sweden—1 (1958*)2 (1950, 1994)1 (1938)
 Poland——2 (1974, 1982)—
 Austria——1 (1954)1 (1934)
 Portugal——1 (1966)1 (2006)
 Chile——1 (1962*)—
 Croatia——1 (1998)—
 Turkey——1 (2002)—
 United States——1 (1930)—
 Yugoslavia#———2 (1930, 1962)
 Belgium———1 (1986)
 Bulgaria———1 (1994)
 Korea Republic———1 (2002*)
 Soviet Union#———1 (1966)
 SpainC———1 (1950)

Euro (England 9th)
Team&amp;#8595;P&amp;#8595;W&amp;#8595;D&amp;#8595;L&amp;#8595;GF&amp;#8595;GA&amp;#8595;Dif&amp;#8595;
 West Germany (1960–1988)
 Germany (1992–)		38191095539+16
 Netherlands3217875532+23
 France2814774634+12
 Spain3013983831+7
 Portugal2312473422+12
 Italy27111242718+9
 Czechoslovakia (1960–1980)
 Czech Republic (1996–)		2511593632+4
 Soviet Union (1960–1988)
 CIS (1992)
 Russia (1996–)		27115113136−5
 England237793128+3
 Denmark2466122638−12
 Croatia115331413+1
 Sweden144551916+3
 Greece12426913−4
 Belgium124261320−7
 Turkey123271118−7
 Yugoslavia (1960–1984)
Serbia and Montenegro FR Yugoslavia (2000)		143292239−17
 Scotland621345−1
 Romania13148817−9
 Switzerland9126513−8
 Republic of Ireland3111220
 Norway3111110
 Bulgaria6114413−9
 Hungary410356−1
 Slovenia302145−1
 Austria301213−2
 Poland301214−3
 Latvia301215−4


England is the smallest of the big ones, I will say then. 
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

^No, England played horribly. Horribly. AGREE They would've never won any important game. AGREE  They couldn't beat the US remember? BUT FOR ONE AWFUL MISTAKE THEY WOULD HAVE 

England won ONE world cup centuries ago with help from referees. COMMON MYTH AND VERY WRONG They have never won a Euro. AGREE England is up there with the big ones only because of their 1966 win.  They are, statistically, not even close to Germany, Italy or even France. CHECK THE ACTUAL STATS, I THINK THEY SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES Tongue Wink
 
England's Record against Italy       Clean Sheet Goal Scored Two Goals                  
      P22  W7-D6-L8  F28-A26  Record: 45.45%
 

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ENGLAND'S COMPLETE RECORD

Played 27 W 12 D 5 L 10 F 47 A 34

World Cup matches

Played 6 W 2 D 1 L 3 F 12 A 7

European Championships

Played 4 W 1 D 1 L 2 F 2 A 4

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Played 4 W 3 D 1 L
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^No, England played horribly. Horribly. They would've never won any important game. They couldn't beat the US remember? 

England won ONE world cup centuries ago with help from referees. They have never won a Euro. England is up there with the big ones only because of their 1966 win. They are, statistically, not even close to Germany, Italy or even France. 
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Let's think England finished group stage as a leader.
Then they would have played against Ghana instead of Germany. Most probably win
Then Uruguay and probably win
Then Netherland in the semi final.

it was too close.  one accidental goal (hand of a clot) ruined the tourney for them.
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Although I wanted Uruguay to win, I shall support the Netherlands in the final.  I'm hoping it'll be a Netherlands vs. Spain final.  I dislike Germany and I dislike Spain.  I dislike Germany more.

I mean the teams, not the countries or the people in them.

Neither the Netherlands or Spain have won the World Cup so it would be great to see a new champion.
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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Yes tomorrow will be/should be a great game.....

Maybe FIFA should adopt the electronic eye line as tennis does now with balls hitting the line, for offsides....but then nobody will hear the beep over the bumblebee horns
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They did it (along with the artificial field) in the Sub-17 World Cup in Perú 2005 and didn't work, they had to shut them out and now we have to pay a lot of money to change the stadiums back to grass.
 
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Now they are ussing a mixture of artifial field and real grass and many players claimed that this kind of textures increase the risk of injuries, and it's evident. Grass is a natural soft texture that make softer the way of walking. The artificial fields do not protect the players feet...
 
Most of FIFA's changes in the game are complete cr*p, and those important helps by technology are still denied. Until Blatter leaves, this is not likely to change...
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The best team won, the final is already looking good. Now I hope tomorrow Deutschland beats Spain, for whom getting this far is good enough, in my view. The final should be Netherlands-Germany and then my heart will be torn. regularly, I'd want Germany to win. But maybe the world of soccer owes the Dutch a title... 
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Yes tomorrow will be/should be a great game.....

Maybe FIFA should adopt the electronic eye line as tennis does now with balls hitting the line, for offsides....but then nobody will hear the beep over the bumblebee horns
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They did it (along with the artificial field) in the Sub-17 World Cup in Perú 2005 and didn't work, they had to shut them out and now we have to pay a lot of money to change the stadiums back to grass.
 
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Congratulations to Uruguay. They qualified fifth in CONMEBOL and managed to reach semi-finals. Great work they did, they fought until the very last minute, so they have to be happy with their performance. Clap

Nice to see Holland in the final match, though I cannot say I like their football right now.

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Yes tomorrow will be/should be a great game.....

Maybe FIFA should adopt the electronic eye line as tennis does now with balls hitting the line, for offsides....but then nobody will hear the beep over the bumblebee horns
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I heard in the radio today that Fabregas was injured  during yesterday's training.
 
A bone injury has been ruled (They had to make scans) out, but he's in serious doubt for tomorrow.
 
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^  What's wrong with Fabregas?
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Now tomorrow's game is harder.
 
Both teams are almost with their best players, except Muller and Cesc Fabregas.
 
I believe Spain can surprise Germany, but not very likely.
 
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seen red cards because a chalaca or chilena a couple of times.

But again, it's discretion of the referee as the off side you claim, the two players were in the same line and the Dutch player doesn't even touch it, so it's not a robbed game.
 
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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

And com'on, how many red cards have you seen for "chilenas" kicking the faces of an opponent. I'm not quite sure what the rules said about it, but I seriously doubt it was a red card. What? the player of Uruguay have eyes on the feet or what...? Confused
 
In first place, thee's no such thing as Chilena, the official name is CHALACA and was invented in Callao - Perú in the second half of the XIX Century. http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilena_(f%C3%BAtbol)  Even in the FIFA,. the name Chalaca is the official, as a fact the hstorian Jorge Basadre describes the play as registered in August 3 1892 in a game between Lima and Callao.
 
Now, the back kick is illegal when a player is near because it's an extremely dangerous play.
 
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Jajajaja... I don't care who the hell invented it, Iván. I never thought I would see that a Perú player invented. I just know that right from Mexico down to Costa Rica we called "chilena", Mind you, what difference it is. And as you say, it's dangerous, why the defenses want to play kamikaze with it? the rule says nothing about red cards... so, sorry, it was a legal playing...  
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Get out of the kitchen if u don't like the heat...can't red card everytime someone falls down.
 
It's not falling down, it's a direct kick in the face Ouch
 
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