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Abstrakt 
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I hate myself for not doing anything worth mentioning since last monday
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Ricochet
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rushfan4
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Posted: June 24 2009 at 14:55 |
 mr.cub wrote:
rushfan4 wrote:
Raff wrote:
I am curious, you know.... What do you think the right mindset to enjoy DT is? I've never seen it in terms of mindset.... Just a question of personal reaction to music, as always happens in my case. |
Good question, that I probably don't have a good answer for. There are many bands that I have to be "in the mood" for. I don't really know what that means, but I kind of relate that to mindset. My comment towards Pat is that he currently has an RIO/Avant mindset. His brain and/or ears are tuned in to whatever it is that makes RIO/Avant special to him, and whatever those ideas are, aren't present in Dream Theater's music. His mindset going in was something along the lines of "I used to like Dream Theater, but I really don't anymore and I haven't liked the last few albums that they did, but I guess I should try this one because people are saying they like it more than the previous couple of albums". If his mindset were more I am in the mood for some guitar, drum, and keyboard solos that are played at the speed of light with words sung in a high pitched squelch then the new DT album might be exactly what he was looking for.
Don't ask me how one gets the right mindset for liking or disliking a particular band. Don't ask me how Alex thought that the Animal Collective was the worst band in the history of bands on his first listen and the best thing since sliced Henry Cow on his 2nd listen. As you say, it may just be a personal reaction to the music.
In that sort of similar but different argument, Dream Theater is often compared to ELP for their dare I say, instrumental w**kery. Why does Micky love ELP but hate Dream Theater? One would think that they would take the same mindset to appreciate. Could Micky's dislike of Dream Theater be as much about his distaste for the attitude of all of the hormonally challenged acne inflicted teenage boys who worship the ground that Petrucci and company walk upon? Could it be a case of Dream Theater's popularity within the mainstream? Could it be because they sing in unintelligible English instead of in Italian? Beats me. I know that I like DT, but that I also have to be in the mood for them. |
I personally have never been able to get into Dream Theater. They certainly have a distinctive sound, but their riffs, compositions and solos never struck me as anything novel and never hit me on an emotional level |
Part of it might be from a historical music listening perspective as well. My musical mindset was developed on classic rock, 80's hair metal and NWOBHM. Classical music and jazz have historically barely registered on my listening charts. But add two parts Metallica, one part Rush, and a 1/2 part of Stravinsky and wow, that is something that will blow my socks off. (I'm no say that there is any Stravinsky within Dream Theater in case that would be insulting to Rico. I am just using that name because it is one that I have seen mentioned within the forums, but I suspect would be more appropriate to RIO/Avant). Does that mean that others of this musical background should like DT? Again, beats me. I can understand people not liking DT because of LaBrie's voice. Again, I have to be "in the mood" for it. His voice is not one of my favorites, but I think that it is quite excellent, when I am "in the mood" for it. I don't understand the complaints about too much speed or musical w**kery however. In many ways, that is kind of what prog is. I don't mean RIO/Avant jazzy prog, or Camel (yawn) prog but I mean ELP, Rush, Yes, Jethro Tull, King Crimson at their heaviest moments prog.
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Evolutionary Sleeper
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Posted: June 24 2009 at 14:49 |
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Pekka
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Posted: June 24 2009 at 14:49 |
Faith No More rocks 
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Raff
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Posted: June 24 2009 at 14:47 |
Well, the only time I saw Black Sabbath live was on that notorious performance at Reading Festival '83, when they had just released Born Again (which is not a bad album by an means).. Let's just say I was rather underwhelmed when they played "Smoke on the Water" as an encore. Talk about Deep Sabbath  !
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mr.cub
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Posted: June 24 2009 at 14:43 |
rushfan4 wrote:
Raff wrote:
I am curious, you know.... What do you think the right mindset to enjoy DT is? I've never seen it in terms of mindset.... Just a question of personal reaction to music, as always happens in my case. |
Good question, that I probably don't have a good answer for. There are many bands that I have to be "in the mood" for. I don't really know what that means, but I kind of relate that to mindset. My comment towards Pat is that he currently has an RIO/Avant mindset. His brain and/or ears are tuned in to whatever it is that makes RIO/Avant special to him, and whatever those ideas are, aren't present in Dream Theater's music. His mindset going in was something along the lines of "I used to like Dream Theater, but I really don't anymore and I haven't liked the last few albums that they did, but I guess I should try this one because people are saying they like it more than the previous couple of albums". If his mindset were more I am in the mood for some guitar, drum, and keyboard solos that are played at the speed of light with words sung in a high pitched squelch then the new DT album might be exactly what he was looking for.
Don't ask me how one gets the right mindset for liking or disliking a particular band. Don't ask me how Alex thought that the Animal Collective was the worst band in the history of bands on his first listen and the best thing since sliced Henry Cow on his 2nd listen. As you say, it may just be a personal reaction to the music.
In that sort of similar but different argument, Dream Theater is often compared to ELP for their dare I say, instrumental w**kery. Why does Micky love ELP but hate Dream Theater? One would think that they would take the same mindset to appreciate. Could Micky's dislike of Dream Theater be as much about his distaste for the attitude of all of the hormonally challenged acne inflicted teenage boys who worship the ground that Petrucci and company walk upon? Could it be a case of Dream Theater's popularity within the mainstream? Could it be because they sing in unintelligible English instead of in Italian? Beats me. I know that I like DT, but that I also have to be in the mood for them. |
I personally have never been able to get into Dream Theater. They certainly have a distinctive sound, but their riffs, compositions and solos never struck me as anything novel and never hit me on an emotional level
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Abstrakt
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Posted: June 24 2009 at 14:31 |
I think i shall go count my CD's! GEEZ! I have 361 now! 
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Abstrakt
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Posted: June 24 2009 at 14:25 |
The Quiet One wrote:
Abstrakt wrote:
Abstrakt
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One six too much, but still 
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 Go now and play Sabbath's entire catalogue!
OR you could just simply put on Jazz from Hell |
I can't! I'm missing: And to a nerdier extent: - We sold our souls for rock n roll
- Born Again
- Cross Purposes Live
- Forbidden
- Reunion
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Ricochet
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Posted: June 24 2009 at 14:22 |
Evolutionary_Sleeper wrote:
GO QUERRY! CILIC SUCKS!
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Oh, another customer. 
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rushfan4
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Posted: June 24 2009 at 14:22 |
Raff wrote:
I am curious, you know.... What do you think the right mindset to enjoy DT is? I've never seen it in terms of mindset.... Just a question of personal reaction to music, as always happens in my case. |
Good question, that I probably don't have a good answer for. There are many bands that I have to be "in the mood" for. I don't really know what that means, but I kind of relate that to mindset. My comment towards Pat is that he currently has an RIO/Avant mindset. His brain and/or ears are tuned in to whatever it is that makes RIO/Avant special to him, and whatever those ideas are, aren't present in Dream Theater's music. His mindset going in was something along the lines of "I used to like Dream Theater, but I really don't anymore and I haven't liked the last few albums that they did, but I guess I should try this one because people are saying they like it more than the previous couple of albums". If his mindset were more I am in the mood for some guitar, drum, and keyboard solos that are played at the speed of light with words sung in a high pitched squelch then the new DT album might be exactly what he was looking for.
Don't ask me how one gets the right mindset for liking or disliking a particular band. Don't ask me how Alex thought that the Animal Collective was the worst band in the history of bands on his first listen and the best thing since sliced Henry Cow on his 2nd listen. As you say, it may just be a personal reaction to the music.
In that sort of similar but different argument, Dream Theater is often compared to ELP for their dare I say, instrumental w**kery. Why does Micky love ELP but hate Dream Theater? One would think that they would take the same mindset to appreciate. Could Micky's dislike of Dream Theater be as much about his distaste for the attitude of all of the hormonally challenged acne inflicted teenage boys who worship the ground that Petrucci and company walk upon? Could it be a case of Dream Theater's popularity within the mainstream? Could it be because they sing in unintelligible English instead of in Italian? Beats me. I know that I like DT, but that I also have to be in the mood for them.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: June 24 2009 at 14:21 |
Abstrakt wrote:
Abstrakt
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Location: Gadda-da-vida
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One six too much, but still
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Go now and play Sabbath's entire catalogue!
OR you could just simply put on Jazz from Hell
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Abstrakt
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Posted: June 24 2009 at 14:18 |
Abstrakt
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One six too much, but still
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Evolutionary Sleeper
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Posted: June 24 2009 at 14:17 |
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GO QUERRY! CILIC SUCKS!
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Abstrakt
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Posted: June 24 2009 at 14:16 |
ETT!
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The Quiet One
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Posted: June 24 2009 at 14:16 |
DOS
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Abstrakt
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Posted: June 24 2009 at 14:16 |
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TWOÖÔÕoöôõ
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Abstrakt
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Posted: June 24 2009 at 14:13 |
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NO!!! This countdown is for me only!
THRËÊ!
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horsewithteeth11
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Posted: June 24 2009 at 14:12 |
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Abstrakt
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Posted: June 24 2009 at 14:09 |
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