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Posted: September 30 2010 at 07:24
drums tomas haake of meshuggah (he's very good not just fast double bass drums) guitars
jonny greenwood of radiohead (and occasional keyboards and other
instruments/electronics) i love his guitar sound, and robert fripp bass (and occasionally electronics) tom jenkinson (squarepusher)
o'yes. but it ain't gonna happen.
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Posted: September 30 2010 at 01:34
Let's see... For me:
Vocals/guitar/occasionally piano/keys: SW Full time keys/piano: Kevin Moore (ex-DT, Chroma Key, OSI) Drums: Gavin Harrison/Christ Maitland Bass: Tony Levin 2nd Guitar: Steve Hackett
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Posted: September 29 2010 at 17:01
As you may know the guys in byron are major PT fans, and recently they seem to have included "The Sound Of Muzak" in their setlist. Here are two versions of it, one electric and the other acoustic:
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Posted: September 27 2010 at 08:59
Originally posted by Antennas
<It always makes me *cringe* to see inconsiderate fans act like they sort-of own the
celebrity. Fortunately, most people over here (Utrecht-Amsterdam, NL)
mostly act like the folks in L.A. Also because most of us tend to be
rather down-to-earth people, realizing that the musicians aren't 'gods'
or anything the like. >
I agree completely. The celebrities I have met in person have been, almost to a person, very nice, humble and down-to-earth people. And, as Steven Wilson has said, creative individuals are generally also quite sensitive. They deserve to be treated with respect like the rest of us.
<Yeah, a sensible choice for those of us who rather cherish their privacy
- I completely belong to that category, too. So I take it you're a
biologist or something the like? How funny - as I used to be one
myself!(changed my job after some 15 years spent in the lab growing
cancer cells - in test tubes, I mean, LOL!) >
Actually, although marine science was my first choice, and is still a great love of mine, I went into business for a number of years. For the past several years I have been an artist, writer and, most recently, a musician. My remaining elder sister told me that she considers me to be a flower child - an accurate assessment. I just bloomed a bit later than did our Mr. Wilson. ;-)
<It must have been a rather difficult choice for him to make, even the
more as I read that he actually had a very good job when he did. Giving
up your healthy career for something that is as insecure as a career in
the music business (and we all know how much Wilson 'likes' the
business-part of it ) is a very brave choice indeed, especially when you're a shy, nerdy personality, but of course I am very happy that he did!>
One the one hand it was a brave choice, but on the other I get the impression that he really had no choice, as it is what he felt he had to do. Happily No-Man's success came earlier than Porcupine Tree's, and allowed him to leave the computer job to concentrate on his music much earlier than might otherwise have been possible.
Funny. I spent most of 1988 in Luxembourg as the research assistant to a doctoral candidate studying the roles between banks in a banking consortium - I was a stockbroker at the time. One of my few regrets is that, although I did get as close as Knokke, Belgium, I never actually made it to the Netherlands. Marek and I will definitely be visiting your country in the not-too-distant future.
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Posted: September 27 2010 at 06:37
Keyspoet wrote:
You sound like a Los Angeleno! ;-)
- well, a elderly Dutchie progfan that acts likewise, I think!
Growing up in L.A., I saw a lot of celebrities growing up, and unfortunately I witnessed a lot of them being accosted by rude and inconsiderate fans. As a result, I, along with the vast majority of L.A. natives, generally respond to celebrity just as you described - we smile to acknowledge them, then leave them unmolested.
It always makes me *cringe* to see inconsiderate fans act like they sort-of own the celebrity. Fortunately, most people over here (Utrecht-Amsterdam, NL) mostly act like the folks in L.A. Also because most of us tend to be rather down-to-earth people, realizing that the musicians aren't 'gods' or anything the like.
Ironically this is also why I chose against the music business growing up, even though I was a musician from an early age and, through my parents, knew a fair number of people in the business. It's that Scorpio thing again. From seeing so many celebrities being accosted, I knew two things early on - 1.) I LOVE my privacy, and am not willing to give it up; and 2.) seeing so many wannabes bashing their heads against the proverbial wall, I knew I didn't want to be in the business that badly, and would be much happier going off to sea to study whales and sharks.
Yeah, a sensible choice for those of us who rather cherish their privacy - I completely belong to that category, too. So I take it you're a biologist or something the like? How funny - as I used to be one myself!(changed my job after some 15 years spent in the lab growing cancer cells - in test tubes, I mean, LOL!)
Happily for all of us Steven Wilson chose differently.
It must have been a rather difficult choice for him to make, even the more as I read that he actually had a very good job when he did. Giving up your healthy career for something that is as insecure as a career in the music business (and we all know how much Wilson 'likes' the business-part of it ) is a very brave choice indeed, especially when you're a shy, nerdy personality, but of course I am very happy that he did!
Jesus never managed to figure out the theremin either
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Posted: September 27 2010 at 00:42
<Well, I've had two chances of meeting the guy, but I didn't, as I already thought it a better idea to just leave him at ease >
You sound like a Los Angeleno! ;-)
Growing up in L.A., I saw a lot of celebrities growing up, and unfortunately I witnessed a lot of them being accosted by rude and inconsiderate fans. As a result, I, along with the vast majority of L.A. natives, generally respond to celebrity just as you described - we smile to acknowledge them, then leave them unmolested.
Ironically this is also why I chose against the music business growing up, even though I was a musician from an early age and, through my parents, knew a fair number of people in the business. It's that Scorpio thing again. From seeing so many celebrities being accosted, I knew two things early on - 1.) I LOVE my privacy, and am not willing to give it up; and 2.) seeing so many wannabes bashing their heads against the proverbial wall, I knew I didn't want to be in the business that badly, and would be much happier going off to sea to study whales and sharks.
Happily for all of us Steven Wilson chose differently.
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Posted: September 26 2010 at 10:08
Keyspoet wrote:
Marek first met Steven Wilson in 1999, at the Knitting Factory in NYC during the Stupid Dream tour, and another time in-between, and said that Wilson is a very nice fellow but lives almost completely inside his head - not surprising to me, especially since I am a fellow Scorpio, and have that wall-within-a-wall personality quirk myself.
Ironically, Wilson seemed to be much more at ease on stage answering questions, and less so when he got up close and personal with the fans. But he was very charming and nice regardless of his own discomfort.
Again, exactly the way I imagined him to be!
Well, I've had two chances of meeting the guy, but I didn't, as I already thought it a better idea to just leave him at ease - before his gig in the Paradiso in Amsterdam (with Anathema as a support act, double the pleasure for me!), I think it was in 2007 or so (2005? Time Flies!), I saw him sitting on a Leidseplein terrasse some hours before the gig. Completely on his own, and I realized that that was most probably the way he liked it at that very moment, so I let him be and decided not to bother him.
And after that particular concert, me and my maties were heaving a final drink at a nearby pub, and guess what... at the moment we left, in came ALL of the guys of both Porcupine Tree and Anathema! We just nodded something like "great concert guys, thanks!' to them. It was kind of funny though!
Jesus never managed to figure out the theremin either
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Posted: September 26 2010 at 09:54
<Keyspoet, thanks for your info on the Insurgentes movie. I at
first doubted to get it (as being a PT fan is a massive attack at the
contents of your wallet anyways ), but after reading your posts, I've just ordered it!>
Always happy to help out a fellow SW & PT fan!
<I guess you can tell that I like the fellow.>
I do as well.
Marek first met Steven Wilson in 1999, at the Knitting Factory in NYC during the Stupid Dream tour, and another time in-between, and said that Wilson is a very nice fellow but lives almost completely inside his head - not surprising to me, especially since I am a fellow Scorpio, and have that wall-within-a-wall personality quirk myself.
Ironically, Wilson seemed to be much more at ease on stage answering questions, and less so when he got up close and personal with the fans. But he was very charming and nice regardless of his own discomfort.
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Posted: September 26 2010 at 09:40
Keyspoet, thanks for your info on the Insurgentes movie. I at first doubted to get it (as being a PT fan is a massive attack at the contents of your wallet anyways ), but after reading your posts, I've just ordered it!
Your description on how Steven comes across on Insurgentes is EXACTLY how I imaged the guy myself. A hugely talented, shy, nerdy (as illustrated by his dark humour as well as his occasional bluntness in the press) but friendly fellow. Me likes! And yes, as I saw him perform live for the first time in 1998, I totally recognize that shyness he used to have. He still has, at times - I was at the concerts in Tilburg where the recording of the Anesthetize-DVD took place, and at the first of the two nights, the first thing he did was knock over his microphone. He reacted very embarrassed, mumbling something about being "all those camera's around..." He obviously felt intimidated by them. I kind of regret it that they didn't leave that bit in on the DVDs, as it shows so well the very 'human' side of this near-to-perfect musician.
As for his humor - I don't remember which show it exactly was, I think it was during the Deadwing-tour but I might be mistaken - a few young metal fans started headbanging and even tried an attempt of creating a mosh-pit during Blackest Eyes, and a certain point, Steven stopped playing, bowed down towards those kids and said something like, "hey, keep it cool guys, I'd like to remind you that this is NOT a Slipknot-gig!"
I guess you can tell that I like the fellow.
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Posted: September 26 2010 at 09:37
<It'd make a good ROABP CD, although that's a little too hopeful I think>
Nothing wrong with a little hope.
I can relate too - I was extremely shy as a kid, and actually got an incomplete in drama (which a close friend and true drama queen convinced me to take) for refusing to set foot on stage. The irony here is that I grew up in L.A. and was born in the heart of Hollywood.
Fortunately, as I have gotten older, I have come to care less and lless what other people think, which is the only reason that I can now perform in front of a group, which was unthinkable when I was younger. Of course, even that does not happen often.
That's an amazing setlist. Perfect. Wish I could have been there. I'm glad SW was able to overcome his crippling shyness, and make some amazing music. I can relate, I'm a pretty shy guy myself.
Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while...
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Posted: September 25 2010 at 11:27
<progkidjoel
That's an awesome set list! As an SW fanboy I am very jealous of your past few days It's SO exciting to hear they're playing The Sky Moves Sideways Pt 1. and Dislocated Day live again!
Man that sounds like a special show. It's really awesome to hear they
played Stranger By The Minute too, one of my favourites from that era. Sounds like an absolutely insane show! >
It was indeed. It was great to hear so many of their old songs that I had never before heard them perform live.
<Antennas
"Steven Wilson: 'Are you sure you know these songs?"
"You may notice that John Wesley keeps leaving the stage, but it is
because we used to be a four piece band, not because he is
incontinent.'
This had me in stitches!!! ">
I am always pleasantly surprised by how funny Steven Wilson is onstage. He is a quiet guy, and not exactly cracking jokes all the time, but his wry sense of humor definitely makes itself known. ;-)
<ptkc123
I would love to see that setlist as a DVD release. It'd be amazing.
>
It would be incredible, I agree. The only thing I would add would be a complete performance of "The Incident," since I really believe it is worthy of being preserved in its entirety.
That said, I was VERY happy when they played the long version of Time Flies - that, the long version of Even Less and Arriving Somewhere were the highlights of the concert for me, though it was all outstanding.
<Finnforest
Keyspoet, very sorry to hear about your sister, that is just awful.
If you don't mind expanding, what does Wilson say about having kids? Does he plan to take a break to start a family? >
Thanks for your thoughts about my sister. It did make for a really weird couple of weeks, as you can imagine, especially since I had been talking to her about the concert for months, and about Steven Wilson, Porcupine Tree and his many other projects for at least three years.
Okay, spoiler time, anyone who doesn't want to know Steven Wilson's thoughts on having children please stop reading now. ;-)
In the discussion of the Victorian death photographs, Wilson commented that there was a sentiment at the time that by photographing the dead, something could be preserved of their souls. So many of the photographs were so carefully and beautifully done that it at first appears that the children, especially the babies, are in repose or sleeping, but underneath you can tell that there is something wrong. He went on the say that it is for this reason that he has always been afraid to have children, for the fear of losing them in childhood, and of how hard it would be to come back after dealing with such a terrible loss, concluding that perhaps it is simply easier not to have children in the first place. As I mentioned before, at least for Marek and me, it was the single most poignant and moving moment in the film, and Lasse's close-in filming while he is speaking underscores the feeling of intimacy.
One of the things that made the moment and the film so special is the obvious friendship and trust that Wilson shares with Lasse Hoile. The question I asked him on Tuesday was whether, during the filming of "Insurgentes," he found Lasse's style of filmmaking influencing his songwriting. Although he never directly answered in the affirmative, he did so indirectly, stating that during the writing process of his upcoming solo album, the only two people with whom he is sharing the tracks for their input are his manager, Andy Neff, and Lasse Hoile.
He reiterated what he said in an earlier interview, that Lasse Hoile is the only person with whom he shares such a huge range of musical and film references that when he is describing what he is thinking of in terms of visuals for his songs, Lasse immediately knows the reference and what he is after, which is something he does not share with the other members of the band. As he has said, a bond of that depth is something only rarely found, and he clearly treasures the understanding they share. He and Lasse also share a darkly twisted sense of humor, which comes through often in the film, lifting it from its otherwise often sombre tone.
Lest I give the wrong impression, there is a lot of humor in the film, as during the scenes when Wilson visited his old grammar school in Hemel Hempstead. Commenting that he was good at music, not at sports, and that he had never known anyone to be good at both, he said that as a child he was a big fan of football, and his parents sent him to a school that played rugby. Upon going outside to see the sporting grounds, he said "This is where I got my *ss kicked, every day of the week, because I was tiny." In another scene, while walking past the gym, he said, "I've never been in that room," which got a big laugh.
They also visited the auditorium where he gave his first concert with his very first band, at the age of twelve or thirteen, and he was so terrified that he couldn't stand, because his legs were shaking so badly, and so he sat on the edge of the stage and played his guitar and sang, all the while looking at his shoes. He said he also spent the first several years performing with Porcupine Tree while staring at his shoes, and they included a film clip from around 1995 of him doing so. Although he said it has gotten easier for him over the years, his innate shyness has still not left him, as Marek pointed out; as Wilson was shading his eyes to look for people in the audience whom he knew, his hand was shaking.
I am very glad that he overcame his shyness enough to produce so much wonderful music over the years.
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Kashmir75 wrote:
Er, sorry. I am a DT fan, just kidding) Failing him, give Gavin a call
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) is a very brave choice indeed, especially when you're a shy, nerdy personality, but of course I am very happy that he did!>
- well, a elderly Dutchie progfan that acts likewise, I think! 
) is a very brave choice indeed, especially when you're a shy, nerdy personality, but of course I am very happy that he did! 
), but after reading your posts, I've just ordered it! 
And yes, as I saw him perform live for the first time in 1998, I totally recognize that shyness he used to have. He still has, at times - I was at the concerts in Tilburg where the recording of the Anesthetize-DVD took place, and at the first of the two nights, the first thing he did was knock over his microphone. He reacted very embarrassed, mumbling something about being "all those camera's around..." He obviously felt intimidated by them. I kind of regret it that they didn't leave that bit in on the DVDs, as it shows so well the very 'human' side of this near-to-perfect musician. 
