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Posted: June 14 2009 at 06:43
harmonium.ro wrote:
angelmk wrote:
i've read whole discussion and my view is that Hazards of love is undisputed masterpiece, one of this years best release , and surely it is Progressive , also i can say it Cranes wife is also Prog , other albums has some touch of prog, but what is Prog anyway ? just sound alike 70' bands ? not adding new , fresh sound .. i don't think so. Am i fooled , i don't care at all, it is very good music for me , and was the happiest fool in the world when first heard HoL
Hey man, you must be the only prog fan in Macedonia and I know that's not fun, but you sure have a great taste & opinion!
In Macedonia very very few people listen Prog, and particulary in my town Kocani nobody listens Prog, and that is frustrating, with noone to share love for Prog
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Posted: June 14 2009 at 04:20
russellk wrote:
That is, of course, WalterDigsTunes speak for 'If it was made after 1979 it's crap'. He wouldn't know. Just give it up, Walter. He asked a question you can't answer, as you're not a fan of the band.
Rogerthat, you might try either of their two most recent albums.
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Posted: June 14 2009 at 04:19
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
Sorry to go off topic but what would be the best album to start with this band?
Don't be fooled! Avoid them at all costs.
That is, of course, WalterDigsTunes speak for 'If it was made after 1979 it's crap'. He wouldn't know. Just give it up, Walter. He asked a question you can't answer, as you're not a fan of the band.
Rogerthat, you might try either of their two most recent albums.
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Posted: June 13 2009 at 23:19
angelmk wrote:
i've read whole discussion and my view is that Hazards of love is undisputed masterpiece, one of this years best release , and surely it is Progressive , also i can say it Cranes wife is also Prog , other albums has some touch of prog, but what is Prog anyway ? just sound alike 70' bands ? not adding new , fresh sound .. i don't think so. Am i fooled , i don't care at all, it is very good music for me , and was the happiest fool in the world when first heard HoL
Hey man, you must be the only prog fan in Macedonia and I know that's not fun, but you sure have a great taste & opinion!
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Posted: June 13 2009 at 21:58
Raff wrote:
~Rael~ wrote:
Raff wrote:
Now I understand! You don't like them, but want to make us look like fools for liking them. This has f-all to do with them being prog or anything... It's like I started a thread about how people are idiots for thinking Dream Theater are prog, just because I don't like them. I wonder if you or any of the other naysayers in this thread have ever heard about personal taste.
Dude, what the hell? What's with the sudden animosity? I put down honest opinions and thoughts in this thread.
Listen, there are bands I like a lot, and at one point I started equating what I liked with being progressive. I have learned this isn't the case, I thought maybe it was happening with The Decemberists. Some people pn here like them, and as such thought they were prog. After this thread, I realize this hypothesis was not only hasty, but wrong, as I am the one being fooled, in that it is my personal tastes and limitations preventing me from hearing the progressive qualities of thier music.
That will be my last defense of my opinions and thoughts concerning this thread.
As for what I listen to, here is a list (containing some bands I have listened to in quite a while, and many bands I mos tlikely forgot to list.) Taken from my Facebook page, lol.
Tool, Dream Theater, Kansas, Lamb of God, Mudvayne, Into Eternity, Canvas Solaris, Gordian Knot, Porcupine Tree, Coheed and Cambria, Pain of Salvation, The Flower Kings, Dimmu Borgir, Fleet Foxes, They Might Be Giants, Ekotren, Spock's Beard, Rage Against the Machine, Between the Buried and Me, Th3ee, Happy the Man, Pantera, Pink Floyd, Genesis, Yes, King Crimson, Opeth, Primus, The Mars Volta, Gentle Giant, System of a Down, Planet X, Bela Fleck and the Flecktones, Slipknot, Killswitch Engage, Pat Methany, Zappa, Evergrey, Spiral Architect, Rush, The Beatles, Jon Lennon, Metallica, A Perfect Cricle, Matisyahu, Wilco, Beatles, Led Zepplin, Sixteen Horsepower, Devin Townsend, Arsonists Get All The Girls, Divine Heresy, In Flames, August Burns Red.
Well, if you had paid attention to things here on the forums, you should know that I am a woman, not a 'dude'.
As to my 'animosity', perhaps you should read the title of your thread again... Personally, anything that questions my integrity (as a listener, in this case), or implies that I am easily manipulated and can't form my own opinions, gets my goat up big time. After having listened to prog for almost 40 years, I can hear very clearly that The Decemberists don't sound like Yes and Genesis - however, neither do most of the bands you listed above. And, I am sorry to say, I still don't understand the connection between people liking them and their being prog. I suppose this is a limitation of mine too.
If you payed attention to things here on the forum, which I suspect you do being a collaborator and having nearly 16,000 posts, you would know I am not here often. So, no, I was not aware you are female.
Frankly, at this point I could care less about your precious integrity, as I have explained myself more than enough.
I never claimed all, or even the majority, of the bands I listed were prog.
I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress . . .
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Posted: June 13 2009 at 19:34
Raff wrote:
~Rael~ wrote:
Raff wrote:
Now I understand! You don't like them, but want to make us look like fools for liking them. This has f-all to do with them being prog or anything... It's like I started a thread about how people are idiots for thinking Dream Theater are prog, just because I don't like them. I wonder if you or any of the other naysayers in this thread have ever heard about personal taste.
Dude, what the hell? What's with the sudden animosity? I put down honest opinions and thoughts in this thread.
Listen, there are bands I like a lot, and at one point I started equating what I liked with being progressive. I have learned this isn't the case, I thought maybe it was happening with The Decemberists. Some people pn here like them, and as such thought they were prog. After this thread, I realize this hypothesis was not only hasty, but wrong, as I am the one being fooled, in that it is my personal tastes and limitations preventing me from hearing the progressive qualities of thier music.
That will be my last defense of my opinions and thoughts concerning this thread.
As for what I listen to, here is a list (containing some bands I have listened to in quite a while, and many bands I mos tlikely forgot to list.) Taken from my Facebook page, lol.
Tool, Dream Theater, Kansas, Lamb of God, Mudvayne, Into Eternity, Canvas Solaris, Gordian Knot, Porcupine Tree, Coheed and Cambria, Pain of Salvation, The Flower Kings, Dimmu Borgir, Fleet Foxes, They Might Be Giants, Ekotren, Spock's Beard, Rage Against the Machine, Between the Buried and Me, Th3ee, Happy the Man, Pantera, Pink Floyd, Genesis, Yes, King Crimson, Opeth, Primus, The Mars Volta, Gentle Giant, System of a Down, Planet X, Bela Fleck and the Flecktones, Slipknot, Killswitch Engage, Pat Methany, Zappa, Evergrey, Spiral Architect, Rush, The Beatles, Jon Lennon, Metallica, A Perfect Cricle, Matisyahu, Wilco, Beatles, Led Zepplin, Sixteen Horsepower, Devin Townsend, Arsonists Get All The Girls, Divine Heresy, In Flames, August Burns Red.
Well, if you had paid attention to things here on the forums, you should know that I am a woman, not a 'dude'.
As to my 'animosity', perhaps you should read the title of your thread again... Personally, anything that questions my integrity (as a listener, in this case), or implies that I am easily manipulated and can't form my own opinions, gets my goat up big time. After having listened to prog for almost 40 years, I can hear very clearly that The Decemberists don't sound like Yes and Genesis - however, neither do most of the bands you listed above. And, I am sorry to say, I still don't understand the connection between people liking them and their being prog. I suppose this is a limitation of mine too.
Eh, if he's like and my group of friends, a dude is just a name for a person. EX: She's a pretty cool dude. He's an awesome dude.
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Posted: June 13 2009 at 19:29
~Rael~ wrote:
Raff wrote:
Now I understand! You don't like them, but want to make us look like fools for liking them. This has f-all to do with them being prog or anything... It's like I started a thread about how people are idiots for thinking Dream Theater are prog, just because I don't like them. I wonder if you or any of the other naysayers in this thread have ever heard about personal taste.
Dude, what the hell? What's with the sudden animosity? I put down honest opinions and thoughts in this thread.
Listen, there are bands I like a lot, and at one point I started equating what I liked with being progressive. I have learned this isn't the case, I thought maybe it was happening with The Decemberists. Some people pn here like them, and as such thought they were prog. After this thread, I realize this hypothesis was not only hasty, but wrong, as I am the one being fooled, in that it is my personal tastes and limitations preventing me from hearing the progressive qualities of thier music.
That will be my last defense of my opinions and thoughts concerning this thread.
As for what I listen to, here is a list (containing some bands I have listened to in quite a while, and many bands I mos tlikely forgot to list.) Taken from my Facebook page, lol.
Tool, Dream Theater, Kansas, Lamb of God, Mudvayne, Into Eternity, Canvas Solaris, Gordian Knot, Porcupine Tree, Coheed and Cambria, Pain of Salvation, The Flower Kings, Dimmu Borgir, Fleet Foxes, They Might Be Giants, Ekotren, Spock's Beard, Rage Against the Machine, Between the Buried and Me, Th3ee, Happy the Man, Pantera, Pink Floyd, Genesis, Yes, King Crimson, Opeth, Primus, The Mars Volta, Gentle Giant, System of a Down, Planet X, Bela Fleck and the Flecktones, Slipknot, Killswitch Engage, Pat Methany, Zappa, Evergrey, Spiral Architect, Rush, The Beatles, Jon Lennon, Metallica, A Perfect Cricle, Matisyahu, Wilco, Beatles, Led Zepplin, Sixteen Horsepower, Devin Townsend, Arsonists Get All The Girls, Divine Heresy, In Flames, August Burns Red.
Well, if you had paid attention to things here on the forums, you should know that I am a woman, not a 'dude'.
As to my 'animosity', perhaps you should read the title of your thread again... Personally, anything that questions my integrity (as a listener, in this case), or implies that I am easily manipulated and can't form my own opinions, gets my goat up big time. After having listened to prog for almost 40 years, I can hear very clearly that The Decemberists don't sound like Yes and Genesis - however, neither do most of the bands you listed above. And, I am sorry to say, I still don't understand the connection between people liking them and their being prog. I suppose this is a limitation of mine too.
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Posted: June 13 2009 at 18:40
Epignosis wrote:
~Rael~ wrote:
If you read my post, you'll see that there were other factors that made me think they weren't progressive other than personal taste.
What is progressive?
To him apparently, not the Decemberists. Get over it. Prog is a mindset toward music, one that explores the possibilities and doesn't factor anything out musically... and to a degree, a sound... that's the best I can describe it in simple terms... it's obviously hard to define, hence threads like this.
So that said, I think the Decemberists have some songs that have progressive tendencies but aren't totally prog, I don't care about them being added here though, prog isn't sacred to me. Does anyone else think that they should be in crossover though, since the majority of their songs don't really have much prog to them? Just wondering, since to me it seems like mostly they're an indie folk band with some songs that have influence from Tull and even Floyd etc like The Island that everyone mentions. Not a big deal either way though... as has become clear through all the "who cares if they're prog or not" posts.
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Posted: June 13 2009 at 18:28
~Rael~ wrote:
Sure.
". . . 18th century influences. Very interesting, I thought, and then
discovered those "18th century" influences were based on the song
beginning with a keyboard programmed to sound like a harpsicord, and
then it turned into a rather mundane rock song, with a poor Janis
Joplin impersonater thrown in."
And thanks for the link, Clem, I'll definitely check them out.
may i know which song are you talking about? is that The Wanting Comes in Waves ?
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Posted: June 13 2009 at 18:14
Sure.
". . . 18th century influences. Very interesting, I thought, and then
discovered those "18th century" influences were based on the song
beginning with a keyboard programmed to sound like a harpsicord, and
then it turned into a rather mundane rock song, with a poor Janis
Joplin impersonater thrown in."
And thanks for the link, Clem, I'll definitely check them out.
Edited by ~Rael~ - June 13 2009 at 18:15
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