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Originally posted by DamoXt7942 DamoXt7942 wrote:

I'm afraid there's kinda consumer boycott demonstration against Ryan?

No illegality nor violation but a bit annoying ...


From section 4 of the review guidelines:

"...Show respect for other reviewers, readers, the artists, and the CD and song titles. Do not belittle reviews posted by others, their opinions are as welcome and valid as yours. It is generally best to avoid commenting on other reviews altogether."


To me there is no question the final paragraph of the review violates the intent of this section and needs to be removed.

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^ It's just that it's offensive to be accused of writing a positive review because you must have a personal or financial connection to the band.   That's Trump-like paranoia.
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I'm afraid there's kinda consumer boycott demonstration against Ryan?

No illegality nor violation but a bit annoying ...
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I PMed this 'sniper-reviewer' this morning , shaming his lack of research as I have been dishing out 5 star reviews since day1 of my Progarchives "career", which according to his baiting and nihilistic logic means that I get thousands of envelopes of cash . Elon Musk, move over ....because I have arrived ! Really sad....So many people enamoured with negative put-downs, conspiracies, barbed wire sniping and self aggrandizement through slander. 
I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth.
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Given two reviews in a row with two stars makes me wonder if both profiles are same person

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Of course.
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^I'm going out on a limb and bet the person that liked it is the person who wrote the review with the same rating within 3 minutes of this one.

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^ Favoritism?  Payola?  How dare he.  I was okay with the review 'til that last paragraph (and he got a 'Like', too!) .
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This review includes an editorial hypothesizing the motivations of collaborator reviews. It is at very least irrelevant to an album review. It is most likely a violation of section 4 and 5 of the reviewing policy.

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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ Understood. I'll try to turn on the non-existent charm to offer some friendly advice (constructive criticism/ share concerns) when I get the chance. I am terrible at reviews writing, but it's often easy to see where others could be improved. Simple changes.

You have an easy way with words that I will never have, but then again I am a bit of an introvert. 
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^ Understood. I'll try to turn on the non-existent charm to offer some friendly advice (constructive criticism/ share concerns) when I get the chance. I am terrible at reviews writing, but it's often easy to see where others could be improved. Simple changes.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

We have discussed his reviews. Don't see manipulation, dealt with lots involving Greco Bastian, and while the reviews would benefit from plenty of improvement, don't think they require action for abuse. I might well try to contact him to advise, but I don't see that a warning is needed/ warranted.

A warning as in constructive criticism is what I meant. Maybe i chose my words poorly. Yes, some advice would fit nicely. 
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We have discussed his reviews. Don't see manipulation, dealt with lots involving Greco Bastian, and while the reviews would benefit from plenty of improvement, don't think they require action for abuse. I might well try to contact him to advise, but I don't see that a warning is needed/ warranted.
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Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

^If nothing else it's abuse to simple arithmetic. The individual song scores get no less than 65% on the presented 10 point scale, but the overall star score is 2, or 40%. That's some artistic math.

I giggled reading the first sentence. 
The guy seems to be constantly negative and some of his reviews are just not informative. He should be warned TBH. Ermm
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^If nothing else it's abuse to simple arithmetic. The individual song scores get no less than 65% on the presented 10 point scale, but the overall star score is 2, or 40%. That's some artistic math.

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It seems user WJA-K is posting reviews with no other intent other than lowering the overall rating of the albums as seen on the latest Greco Bastian and Collage albums. The reviews say absolutely nothing except that he doesn't like them. Is this abuse?

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Originally posted by wiz_d_kidd wiz_d_kidd wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

To me that black midi Cavalcade review appears permissible.

It is indeed, but I have said before that whilst the review might well fall within acceptable boundaries set by the site rules, it is not a review which is going to add to PA’s reputation in the music world. Indeed, I would venture that it will decrease it ever so slightly further.

I know none of you will take a blind bit of notice of this, but I will say it anyway. I feel it is time for a major overhaul of the way the reviews are done on PA, and that should include an end to the “Wild West” of anybody and everybody being able to publish reviews. There must be some form of quality control in that only trusted reviewers are able to publish without moderation and everybody else undergoes some form of probation where their work is moderated before publication and then allowed to become trusted.


I don't find your review of King Crimson's Construkction of Light (http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=201247) to be any different than the Cavalcade review everyone is ranting about.

Blimey! Written in January 2009. With nearly 400 reviews on this site, and hundreds on my own site (check it out, it is very good), that is all you could find? I'll take that, my dear chap, and evidently the good burghers of Prog Archives thought that I was good enough, because not long after they promoted me.
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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

To me that black midi Cavalcade review appears permissible.

It is indeed, but I have said before that whilst the review might well fall within acceptable boundaries set by the site rules, it is not a review which is going to add to PA’s reputation in the music world. Indeed, I would venture that it will decrease it ever so slightly further.

I know none of you will take a blind bit of notice of this, but I will say it anyway. I feel it is time for a major overhaul of the way the reviews are done on PA, and that should include an end to the “Wild West” of anybody and everybody being able to publish reviews. There must be some form of quality control in that only trusted reviewers are able to publish without moderation and everybody else undergoes some form of probation where their work is moderated before publication and then allowed to become trusted.


I don't find your review of King Crimson's Construkction of Light (http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=201247) to be any different than the Cavalcade review everyone is ranting about.
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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

I know none of you will take a blind bit of notice of this, but I will say it anyway. I feel it is time for a major overhaul of the way the reviews are done on PA, and that should include an end to the “Wild West” of anybody and everybody being able to publish reviews. There must be some form of quality control in that only trusted reviewers are able to publish without moderation and everybody else undergoes some form of probation where their work is moderated before publication and then allowed to become trusted.

Sounds good, incredibly challenging in practice I imagine.  Doesn't mean it's not worth considering [or even trying for a time] but both the amount of labor required to read, decide, possibly edit, ultimately judge whether someone's humble if naive or badly-written bit is worthy would be intensive;  as well as the toll it would take on the imaginary volunteers required for this task.

And let's not forget one of the main reasons this place became popular was because anyone could spontaneously post their own little article on a famous album and have a page with all their opins, rants & raves, and gushing praise.   Not to mention the flak we'd all get from the geniuses who think they're a lot better than they are.   Oh the humanity.




Edited by Atavachron - December 30 2022 at 17:13
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^ not sure if first impressions matter when reading reviews at least not for me they don't. ANyways, maybe someone could fix it. It would make more sense to have the newest reviews seen first.

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