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Manunkind
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Posted: February 15 2006 at 14:20 |
Greg W wrote:
Manunkind wrote:
Greg W wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Manunkind wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
Greg W wrote:
eugene wrote:
When I suddenly discovered this site, it was like finding hidden treasure for me. Lots of very interesting bands I have never heard of, entertaining discussions on the forums about commonly little known stuff. I was offered by this site a lot of information about very obscure but extremely talented bands and musicians. I thought that the purpose of this site is to tell those who is interested to hear something more about hidden treasures of progressive music. When a friend was asking me about some unknown band, I would tell him or her to check ProgArchives, as the probability is high that the band is listed there if they are playing good music but not very popular or heard of on about every corner.
This site was bearing some elitist features, very much to my likings, and I could find here a lot of interesting info that I could not find anywhere else.
Now IMO site is changing it's direction and tries to cover each and every possible rock/jazz and pop groups of all ages and origines. It is flooded by huge number of all sorts of metal bands, hard & heavy, AOR and rock'n'roll, country and folk, electronics and EMO, dancing music and pop, jazz, avant-guarde, chanson, world/ethnic music - anything and everything - you name it, plus still very good portion of prog.
This site is getting huge and growing by the day, but "huge" is not always (maybe never)synonymous to "great", and I personally is rapidly loosing interest in this site. (Yes, I realise, this is MY problem)
Don't get me wrong, Queen where my favourite band when I was 14-15 years old, I was fanatical about Deep Purple, Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin in my late teens, in my 20's I was Heavy Metal fan. Beatles to me were always one of very important bands in development and world-wide recognition of rock music in general, and to me their music is not bad - just uninteresting. I still listen to the music of above bands occasionally, and I like what I hear. I firmly believe that in every musical genre there are great musician capable to produce masterpieces, but this was not about this site to list all of them here.
This site probably will become biggest encyclopedia of music in the world, and it's name will be changed to something more appropriate in this respect, and I wish all good luck to the founders of the site and to collabs in achieving this goal, but this will never be same ProgArchives it used to be for me.
To me it's like once a small and cozy club, where intelligent people were gathering to consume some rare, expensive, highest quality drinks and to exchange their opinions and impressions they got from it, this club suddenly turned into a huge drunk parlour crowded by people consuming vodka by wine glasses and trying to shout down each other in stupid debate as to who can drink more.
Sad, isn't it?
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I agree. This is an elitist site who welcomes people with only the most mature music in rock history. By including Prog Related and Proto Prog, we have essentially invited the unruly commoners to pillage our fair site with their stupidity and ignorance.
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That is the most elitist,snobbish comment I have read yet.
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Probably also one of the most ironic ones.
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I don't think he (Greg W) was joking.
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I wasn't joking. It goes with the territory. Tell me how many times you hear a song on the radio and think it is absolute rubbish? What is worse is when witnessing someone who is enjoying the stupidity that is playing on the radio or a dance club. Tell me you just aren't a tad nauseated by the whole experience? We are all music elitists. We demand better, and there is nothing wrong with admitting you have better tastes in music than the masses. Trust me, they won't agree with you, but we know better.
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I enjoy music by people like Cecil Taylor, Ornette Coleman, Gyorgi Ligeti, Iannis Xenakis etc. Damn, how noble I am because of this, Jesus and Buddha don't dare untie my shoelaces.
But that is beside the point.
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...and I like Carly Simon and many of the singer/songwriters, but here we must keep a closed mind and stick our noses up in the air...
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... so that we can sniff the butts of more elevated artists, such as the people I've mentioned. There is some truth to what you say, but I have no intention of changing my opinions and tastes together with the monicker I go under and the image I'm associated with every time I log into PA.
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"In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun
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Tony R
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Joined: July 16 2004
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Posted: February 15 2006 at 14:20 |
One thought-please,we do not want to see any Beatles protest reviews on the front page.
I neednt remind people here of how the front page is sacrosanct and our reviews need to be of the highest standard possible.
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Viajero Astral
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Posted: February 15 2006 at 14:19 |
But this is a big and complete ENCYCLOPEDIA of Progresive Rock, so I dont see the problem to put The Beatles here, and as a Proto-Prog band, of course that it is necessary to clarify that they are not prog rock, but that those bands just help to create Progresive Rock.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 15 2006 at 14:18 |
Greg W wrote:
...and I like Carly Simon and many of the singer/songwriters, but here we must keep a closed mind and stick our noses up in the air towards allowing such music in.
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You go ahead and keep a closed mind, if you think that this is a good thing for a prog music fan.
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Greg W
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Posted: February 15 2006 at 14:14 |
Manunkind wrote:
Greg W wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Manunkind wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
Greg W wrote:
eugene wrote:
When I suddenly discovered this site, it was like finding hidden treasure for me. Lots of very interesting bands I have never heard of, entertaining discussions on the forums about commonly little known stuff. I was offered by this site a lot of information about very obscure but extremely talented bands and musicians. I thought that the purpose of this site is to tell those who is interested to hear something more about hidden treasures of progressive music. When a friend was asking me about some unknown band, I would tell him or her to check ProgArchives, as the probability is high that the band is listed there if they are playing good music but not very popular or heard of on about every corner.
This site was bearing some elitist features, very much to my likings, and I could find here a lot of interesting info that I could not find anywhere else.
Now IMO site is changing it's direction and tries to cover each and every possible rock/jazz and pop groups of all ages and origines. It is flooded by huge number of all sorts of metal bands, hard & heavy, AOR and rock'n'roll, country and folk, electronics and EMO, dancing music and pop, jazz, avant-guarde, chanson, world/ethnic music - anything and everything - you name it, plus still very good portion of prog.
This site is getting huge and growing by the day, but "huge" is not always (maybe never)synonymous to "great", and I personally is rapidly loosing interest in this site. (Yes, I realise, this is MY problem)
Don't get me wrong, Queen where my favourite band when I was 14-15 years old, I was fanatical about Deep Purple, Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin in my late teens, in my 20's I was Heavy Metal fan. Beatles to me were always one of very important bands in development and world-wide recognition of rock music in general, and to me their music is not bad - just uninteresting. I still listen to the music of above bands occasionally, and I like what I hear. I firmly believe that in every musical genre there are great musician capable to produce masterpieces, but this was not about this site to list all of them here.
This site probably will become biggest encyclopedia of music in the world, and it's name will be changed to something more appropriate in this respect, and I wish all good luck to the founders of the site and to collabs in achieving this goal, but this will never be same ProgArchives it used to be for me.
To me it's like once a small and cozy club, where intelligent people were gathering to consume some rare, expensive, highest quality drinks and to exchange their opinions and impressions they got from it, this club suddenly turned into a huge drunk parlour crowded by people consuming vodka by wine glasses and trying to shout down each other in stupid debate as to who can drink more.
Sad, isn't it?
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I agree. This is an elitist site who welcomes people with only the most mature music in rock history. By including Prog Related and Proto Prog, we have essentially invited the unruly commoners to pillage our fair site with their stupidity and ignorance.
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That is the most elitist,snobbish comment I have read yet.
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Probably also one of the most ironic ones.
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I don't think he (Greg W) was joking.
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I wasn't joking. It goes with the territory. Tell me how many times you hear a song on the radio and think it is absolute rubbish? What is worse is when witnessing someone who is enjoying the stupidity that is playing on the radio or a dance club. Tell me you just aren't a tad nauseated by the whole experience? We are all music elitists. We demand better, and there is nothing wrong with admitting you have better tastes in music than the masses. Trust me, they won't agree with you, but we know better.
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I enjoy music by people like Cecil Taylor, Ornette Coleman, Gyorgi Ligeti, Iannis Xenakis etc. Damn, how noble I am because of this, Jesus and Buddha don't dare untie my shoelaces.
But that is beside the point.
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...and I like Carly Simon and many of the singer/songwriters, but here we must keep a closed mind and stick our noses up in the air towards allowing such music in.
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Greg W
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Joined: August 24 2004
Location: Chicago
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Posted: February 15 2006 at 14:12 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ please don't use the word "we" - we don't have much in common. |
but of course...i forgot what an enlightened open minded person you are. Please forgive my ignorance and please enlighten me some more with your wisdom.
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akin
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Joined: February 06 2004
Location: Brazil
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Posted: February 15 2006 at 14:12 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ can you post an example of such an article? I've
never read any article describing the Beatles as PRog Rock. Surely they
were progressive and experimental on their late albums, but never "Prog
Rock". |
Of course they are not considered prog rock like yes, because they had
a great career before, but search for progressive rock in the internet
and you can see every site talking about Beatles being progressive from
Sgt. Peppers on.
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Manunkind
Forum Senior Member
Joined: February 02 2005
Location: Poland
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Points: 2373
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Posted: February 15 2006 at 14:07 |
Greg W wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Manunkind wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
Greg W wrote:
eugene wrote:
When I suddenly discovered this site, it was like finding hidden treasure for me. Lots of very interesting bands I have never heard of, entertaining discussions on the forums about commonly little known stuff. I was offered by this site a lot of information about very obscure but extremely talented bands and musicians. I thought that the purpose of this site is to tell those who is interested to hear something more about hidden treasures of progressive music. When a friend was asking me about some unknown band, I would tell him or her to check ProgArchives, as the probability is high that the band is listed there if they are playing good music but not very popular or heard of on about every corner.
This site was bearing some elitist features, very much to my likings, and I could find here a lot of interesting info that I could not find anywhere else.
Now IMO site is changing it's direction and tries to cover each and every possible rock/jazz and pop groups of all ages and origines. It is flooded by huge number of all sorts of metal bands, hard & heavy, AOR and rock'n'roll, country and folk, electronics and EMO, dancing music and pop, jazz, avant-guarde, chanson, world/ethnic music - anything and everything - you name it, plus still very good portion of prog.
This site is getting huge and growing by the day, but "huge" is not always (maybe never)synonymous to "great", and I personally is rapidly loosing interest in this site. (Yes, I realise, this is MY problem)
Don't get me wrong, Queen where my favourite band when I was 14-15 years old, I was fanatical about Deep Purple, Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin in my late teens, in my 20's I was Heavy Metal fan. Beatles to me were always one of very important bands in development and world-wide recognition of rock music in general, and to me their music is not bad - just uninteresting. I still listen to the music of above bands occasionally, and I like what I hear. I firmly believe that in every musical genre there are great musician capable to produce masterpieces, but this was not about this site to list all of them here.
This site probably will become biggest encyclopedia of music in the world, and it's name will be changed to something more appropriate in this respect, and I wish all good luck to the founders of the site and to collabs in achieving this goal, but this will never be same ProgArchives it used to be for me.
To me it's like once a small and cozy club, where intelligent people were gathering to consume some rare, expensive, highest quality drinks and to exchange their opinions and impressions they got from it, this club suddenly turned into a huge drunk parlour crowded by people consuming vodka by wine glasses and trying to shout down each other in stupid debate as to who can drink more.
Sad, isn't it?
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I agree. This is an elitist site who welcomes people with only the most mature music in rock history. By including Prog Related and Proto Prog, we have essentially invited the unruly commoners to pillage our fair site with their stupidity and ignorance.
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That is the most elitist,snobbish comment I have read yet.
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Probably also one of the most ironic ones.
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I don't think he (Greg W) was joking.
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I wasn't joking. It goes with the territory. Tell me how many times you hear a song on the radio and think it is absolute rubbish? What is worse is when witnessing someone who is enjoying the stupidity that is playing on the radio or a dance club. Tell me you just aren't a tad nauseated by the whole experience? We are all music elitists. We demand better, and there is nothing wrong with admitting you have better tastes in music than the masses. Trust me, they won't agree with you, but we know better.
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I enjoy music by people like Cecil Taylor, Ornette Coleman, Gyorgi Ligeti, Iannis Xenakis etc. Damn, how noble I am because of this, Jesus and Buddha don't dare untie my shoelaces.
But that is beside the point.
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"In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 15 2006 at 14:06 |
^ please don't use the word "we" - we don't have much in common.
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Greg W
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Posted: February 15 2006 at 14:04 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Manunkind wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
Greg W wrote:
eugene wrote:
When I suddenly discovered this site, it was like finding hidden treasure for me. Lots of very interesting bands I have never heard of, entertaining discussions on the forums about commonly little known stuff. I was offered by this site a lot of information about very obscure but extremely talented bands and musicians. I thought that the purpose of this site is to tell those who is interested to hear something more about hidden treasures of progressive music. When a friend was asking me about some unknown band, I would tell him or her to check ProgArchives, as the probability is high that the band is listed there if they are playing good music but not very popular or heard of on about every corner.
This site was bearing some elitist features, very much to my likings, and I could find here a lot of interesting info that I could not find anywhere else.
Now IMO site is changing it's direction and tries to cover each and every possible rock/jazz and pop groups of all ages and origines. It is flooded by huge number of all sorts of metal bands, hard & heavy, AOR and rock'n'roll, country and folk, electronics and EMO, dancing music and pop, jazz, avant-guarde, chanson, world/ethnic music - anything and everything - you name it, plus still very good portion of prog.
This site is getting huge and growing by the day, but "huge" is not always (maybe never)synonymous to "great", and I personally is rapidly loosing interest in this site. (Yes, I realise, this is MY problem)
Don't get me wrong, Queen where my favourite band when I was 14-15 years old, I was fanatical about Deep Purple, Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin in my late teens, in my 20's I was Heavy Metal fan. Beatles to me were always one of very important bands in development and world-wide recognition of rock music in general, and to me their music is not bad - just uninteresting. I still listen to the music of above bands occasionally, and I like what I hear. I firmly believe that in every musical genre there are great musician capable to produce masterpieces, but this was not about this site to list all of them here.
This site probably will become biggest encyclopedia of music in the world, and it's name will be changed to something more appropriate in this respect, and I wish all good luck to the founders of the site and to collabs in achieving this goal, but this will never be same ProgArchives it used to be for me.
To me it's like once a small and cozy club, where intelligent people were gathering to consume some rare, expensive, highest quality drinks and to exchange their opinions and impressions they got from it, this club suddenly turned into a huge drunk parlour crowded by people consuming vodka by wine glasses and trying to shout down each other in stupid debate as to who can drink more.
Sad, isn't it?
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I agree. This is an elitist site who welcomes people with only the most mature music in rock history. By including Prog Related and Proto Prog, we have essentially invited the unruly commoners to pillage our fair site with their stupidity and ignorance.
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That is the most elitist,snobbish comment I have read yet.
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Probably also one of the most ironic ones.
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I don't think he (Greg W) was joking.
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I wasn't joking. It goes with the territory. Tell me how many times you hear a song on the radio and think it is absolute rubbish? What is worse is when witnessing someone who is enjoying the stupidity that is playing on the radio or a dance club. Tell me you just aren't a tad nauseated by the whole experience? We are all music elitists. We demand better, and there is nothing wrong with admitting you have better tastes in music than the masses. Trust me, they won't agree with you, but we know better.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 15 2006 at 14:00 |
^ can you post an example of such an article? I've never read any article describing the Beatles as PRog Rock. Surely they were progressive and experimental on their late albums, but never "Prog Rock".
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Dick Heath
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Posted: February 15 2006 at 13:58 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ But on their later albums they made some songs that weren't about popularity at all. The whole White Album could even be called a very early manifestation of "Proto-RIO". We can only speculate on how progressive their albums would have gotten in the 70s if they had not split the band. |
If not popularity, I have to ask why did each copy of the "white Album" had an individual number stamped on it, especially when the numbers were well into 6 figures for the first pressing?
Come on you have a certain amount of evidence in what McCartney, Lennon and Harrison (sued successfully for stealing a Ronette's tune; even the presence of Derek & The Dominoes on the Apple Jams doesn't help), turn out separately when Apple Corps crumbled in disarray.
But you'll have to work much harder with the RIO connection. So intrigued to read Victorian and Edwardian musical hall (e.g. Bungalow Bill - you did write The Whole, MER!!), was a source of RIO. Revolution No 9, was inspired by Stockhausen. And so on.
I suppose we can live with the Beatles here - but I feel the validity of this site as a repository of things truly Progressive, dropped in credit rating yet again. Next the Rolling Stones, Kinks, Who, Small Faces who many could make a less unconvincing case for their inclusion here.
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Manunkind
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Joined: February 02 2005
Location: Poland
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Posted: February 15 2006 at 13:58 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Manunkind wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
Greg W wrote:
eugene wrote:
When I suddenly discovered this site, it was like finding hidden treasure for me. Lots of very interesting bands I have never heard of, entertaining discussions on the forums about commonly little known stuff. I was offered by this site a lot of information about very obscure but extremely talented bands and musicians. I thought that the purpose of this site is to tell those who is interested to hear something more about hidden treasures of progressive music. When a friend was asking me about some unknown band, I would tell him or her to check ProgArchives, as the probability is high that the band is listed there if they are playing good music but not very popular or heard of on about every corner.
This site was bearing some elitist features, very much to my likings, and I could find here a lot of interesting info that I could not find anywhere else.
Now IMO site is changing it's direction and tries to cover each and every possible rock/jazz and pop groups of all ages and origines. It is flooded by huge number of all sorts of metal bands, hard & heavy, AOR and rock'n'roll, country and folk, electronics and EMO, dancing music and pop, jazz, avant-guarde, chanson, world/ethnic music - anything and everything - you name it, plus still very good portion of prog.
This site is getting huge and growing by the day, but "huge" is not always (maybe never)synonymous to "great", and I personally is rapidly loosing interest in this site. (Yes, I realise, this is MY problem)
Don't get me wrong, Queen where my favourite band when I was 14-15 years old, I was fanatical about Deep Purple, Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin in my late teens, in my 20's I was Heavy Metal fan. Beatles to me were always one of very important bands in development and world-wide recognition of rock music in general, and to me their music is not bad - just uninteresting. I still listen to the music of above bands occasionally, and I like what I hear. I firmly believe that in every musical genre there are great musician capable to produce masterpieces, but this was not about this site to list all of them here.
This site probably will become biggest encyclopedia of music in the world, and it's name will be changed to something more appropriate in this respect, and I wish all good luck to the founders of the site and to collabs in achieving this goal, but this will never be same ProgArchives it used to be for me.
To me it's like once a small and cozy club, where intelligent people were gathering to consume some rare, expensive, highest quality drinks and to exchange their opinions and impressions they got from it, this club suddenly turned into a huge drunk parlour crowded by people consuming vodka by wine glasses and trying to shout down each other in stupid debate as to who can drink more.
Sad, isn't it?
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I agree. This is an elitist site who welcomes people with only the most mature music in rock history. By including Prog Related and Proto Prog, we have essentially invited the unruly commoners to pillage our fair site with their stupidity and ignorance.
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That is the most elitist,snobbish comment I have read yet.
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Probably also one of the most ironic ones.
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I don't think he (Greg W) was joking.
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I don't really think so either, but I am still hoping he was ironic, since the way that statement of his was written makes it almost impossible to take seriously. "Most mature music in rock history", "unruly commoners", "pillaging" etc.
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"In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun
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sleeper
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Posted: February 15 2006 at 13:58 |
I think we should finish this debate, there here and that's not going to change, you can either embrace them, ignore them or leave in disgust, your choice.
BTW Greg, you should check my edited post.
Edited by sleeper
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Greg W
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Location: Chicago
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Posted: February 15 2006 at 13:58 |
sleeper wrote:
Greg W wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
Greg W wrote:
eugene wrote:
When I suddenly discovered this site, it was like finding hidden treasure for me. Lots of very interesting bands I have never heard of, entertaining discussions on the forums about commonly little known stuff. I was offered by this site a lot of information about very obscure but extremely talented bands and musicians. I thought that the purpose of this site is to tell those who is interested to hear something more about hidden treasures of progressive music. When a friend was asking me about some unknown band, I would tell him or her to check ProgArchives, as the probability is high that the band is listed there if they are playing good music but not very popular or heard of on about every corner.
This site was bearing some elitist features, very much to my likings, and I could find here a lot of interesting info that I could not find anywhere else.
Now IMO site is changing it's direction and tries to cover each and every possible rock/jazz and pop groups of all ages and origines. It is flooded by huge number of all sorts of metal bands, hard & heavy, AOR and rock'n'roll, country and folk, electronics and EMO, dancing music and pop, jazz, avant-guarde, chanson, world/ethnic music - anything and everything - you name it, plus still very good portion of prog.
This site is getting huge and growing by the day, but "huge" is not always (maybe never)synonymous to "great", and I personally is rapidly loosing interest in this site. (Yes, I realise, this is MY problem)
Don't get me wrong, Queen where my favourite band when I was 14-15 years old, I was fanatical about Deep Purple, Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin in my late teens, in my 20's I was Heavy Metal fan. Beatles to me were always one of very important bands in development and world-wide recognition of rock music in general, and to me their music is not bad - just uninteresting. I still listen to the music of above bands occasionally, and I like what I hear. I firmly believe that in every musical genre there are great musician capable to produce masterpieces, but this was not about this site to list all of them here.
This site probably will become biggest encyclopedia of music in the world, and it's name will be changed to something more appropriate in this respect, and I wish all good luck to the founders of the site and to collabs in achieving this goal, but this will never be same ProgArchives it used to be for me.
To me it's like once a small and cozy club, where intelligent people were gathering to consume some rare, expensive, highest quality drinks and to exchange their opinions and impressions they got from it, this club suddenly turned into a huge drunk parlour crowded by people consuming vodka by wine glasses and trying to shout down each other in stupid debate as to who can drink more.
Sad, isn't it?
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I agree. This is an elitist site who welcomes people with only the most mature music in rock history. By including Prog Related and Proto Prog, we have essentially invited the unruly commoners to pillage our fair site with their stupidity and ignorance.
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That is the most elitist,snobbish comment I have read yet.
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Yes...when it comes to music I am an elitist and whether you admit it or not...so are you. That is why we are all here...isn't it?
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I think we are all elitists (I know I am) but to that extent? I look to prog because its were the cream of the crop has gone but to ignore one band because "its not prog" is stupid and bigoted.
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in your own musical world...yes..like what you want. I once again love the Beatles as well as many other non prog acts. In my personal life I do not ignore and exclude good music just because they are not prog.
Here...on the PROGrock Archives we need to be more exclusive, however.
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akin
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Posted: February 15 2006 at 13:54 |
Max and Roni are doing fine by accepting opinion of lots of people.
There are lots of albuns and bands I would never consider progressive,
but I'm not complaining about them here. The only mistake is probably
which genre the bands are (classification). Beatles are accepted as
prog in every serious articles and compilations about progressive rock.
Why not here? Because some people don't consider them prog?
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 15 2006 at 13:54 |
Manunkind wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
Greg W wrote:
eugene wrote:
When I suddenly discovered this site, it was like finding hidden treasure for me. Lots of very interesting bands I have never heard of, entertaining discussions on the forums about commonly little known stuff. I was offered by this site a lot of information about very obscure but extremely talented bands and musicians. I thought that the purpose of this site is to tell those who is interested to hear something more about hidden treasures of progressive music. When a friend was asking me about some unknown band, I would tell him or her to check ProgArchives, as the probability is high that the band is listed there if they are playing good music but not very popular or heard of on about every corner.
This site was bearing some elitist features, very much to my likings, and I could find here a lot of interesting info that I could not find anywhere else.
Now IMO site is changing it's direction and tries to cover each and every possible rock/jazz and pop groups of all ages and origines. It is flooded by huge number of all sorts of metal bands, hard & heavy, AOR and rock'n'roll, country and folk, electronics and EMO, dancing music and pop, jazz, avant-guarde, chanson, world/ethnic music - anything and everything - you name it, plus still very good portion of prog.
This site is getting huge and growing by the day, but "huge" is not always (maybe never)synonymous to "great", and I personally is rapidly loosing interest in this site. (Yes, I realise, this is MY problem)
Don't get me wrong, Queen where my favourite band when I was 14-15 years old, I was fanatical about Deep Purple, Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin in my late teens, in my 20's I was Heavy Metal fan. Beatles to me were always one of very important bands in development and world-wide recognition of rock music in general, and to me their music is not bad - just uninteresting. I still listen to the music of above bands occasionally, and I like what I hear. I firmly believe that in every musical genre there are great musician capable to produce masterpieces, but this was not about this site to list all of them here.
This site probably will become biggest encyclopedia of music in the world, and it's name will be changed to something more appropriate in this respect, and I wish all good luck to the founders of the site and to collabs in achieving this goal, but this will never be same ProgArchives it used to be for me.
To me it's like once a small and cozy club, where intelligent people were gathering to consume some rare, expensive, highest quality drinks and to exchange their opinions and impressions they got from it, this club suddenly turned into a huge drunk parlour crowded by people consuming vodka by wine glasses and trying to shout down each other in stupid debate as to who can drink more.
Sad, isn't it?
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I agree. This is an elitist site who welcomes people with only the most mature music in rock history. By including Prog Related and Proto Prog, we have essentially invited the unruly commoners to pillage our fair site with their stupidity and ignorance.
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That is the most elitist,snobbish comment I have read yet.
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Probably also one of the most ironic ones.
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I don't think he (Greg W) was joking.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 15 2006 at 13:52 |
eugene wrote:
This site is getting huge and growing by the day, but "huge" is not always (maybe never)synonymous to "great", and I personally is rapidly loosing interest in this site. (Yes, I realise, this is MY problem)
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Yes, that is indeed your problem - and your loss. Why can't you just ignore the Beatles? Adding the Beatles does not mean that other artists are dropped out of the database. Two days ago I bought a Guapo album, and at the same time I don't take any offense by this addition - not at all.
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Manunkind
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Posted: February 15 2006 at 13:51 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
Greg W wrote:
eugene wrote:
When I suddenly discovered this site, it was like finding hidden treasure for me. Lots of very interesting bands I have never heard of, entertaining discussions on the forums about commonly little known stuff. I was offered by this site a lot of information about very obscure but extremely talented bands and musicians. I thought that the purpose of this site is to tell those who is interested to hear something more about hidden treasures of progressive music. When a friend was asking me about some unknown band, I would tell him or her to check ProgArchives, as the probability is high that the band is listed there if they are playing good music but not very popular or heard of on about every corner.
This site was bearing some elitist features, very much to my likings, and I could find here a lot of interesting info that I could not find anywhere else.
Now IMO site is changing it's direction and tries to cover each and every possible rock/jazz and pop groups of all ages and origines. It is flooded by huge number of all sorts of metal bands, hard & heavy, AOR and rock'n'roll, country and folk, electronics and EMO, dancing music and pop, jazz, avant-guarde, chanson, world/ethnic music - anything and everything - you name it, plus still very good portion of prog.
This site is getting huge and growing by the day, but "huge" is not always (maybe never)synonymous to "great", and I personally is rapidly loosing interest in this site. (Yes, I realise, this is MY problem)
Don't get me wrong, Queen where my favourite band when I was 14-15 years old, I was fanatical about Deep Purple, Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin in my late teens, in my 20's I was Heavy Metal fan. Beatles to me were always one of very important bands in development and world-wide recognition of rock music in general, and to me their music is not bad - just uninteresting. I still listen to the music of above bands occasionally, and I like what I hear. I firmly believe that in every musical genre there are great musician capable to produce masterpieces, but this was not about this site to list all of them here.
This site probably will become biggest encyclopedia of music in the world, and it's name will be changed to something more appropriate in this respect, and I wish all good luck to the founders of the site and to collabs in achieving this goal, but this will never be same ProgArchives it used to be for me.
To me it's like once a small and cozy club, where intelligent people were gathering to consume some rare, expensive, highest quality drinks and to exchange their opinions and impressions they got from it, this club suddenly turned into a huge drunk parlour crowded by people consuming vodka by wine glasses and trying to shout down each other in stupid debate as to who can drink more.
Sad, isn't it?
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I agree. This is an elitist site who welcomes people with only the most mature music in rock history. By including Prog Related and Proto Prog, we have essentially invited the unruly commoners to pillage our fair site with their stupidity and ignorance.
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That is the most elitist,snobbish comment I have read yet.
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Probably also one of the most ironic ones.
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"In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun
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Greg W
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Location: Chicago
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Posted: February 15 2006 at 13:50 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
Greg W wrote:
sleeper wrote:
IProto-prog/Prog-related are not Prog rock!
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....and therefore do not belong on our fair site. Everything else you wrote is pointless.
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This is Roni and M@x's site.What they want,they get.They wanted this.
It's that simple.
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Yes...it seems they have done a fine job at plunging this once great site into mediocrity.
Congratuations M@x and Roni.
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