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harmonium.ro 
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 Posted: September 26 2011 at 09:20 |
 The Monodrone wrote:
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I don't get it? I haven't heard Insurgentes in years but shoegaze? Post-punk? I don't recall hearing any of that. What I do recall is Steven Wilson releasing some of his most experimental (and dark) material of the past few years. |
It had several elements of shoegaze in it as did Fear of a Blank Planet.
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I agree... definitely had that dark, post-punk, shoegaze sound. |
I read him in an interview saying it was a tribute to 80s music, but it's probably a tribute from inside his own aesthetic because I didn't hear any post-punk, dream pop, shoegaze etc. on it.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: September 26 2011 at 09:19 |
Jake Kobrin wrote:
ergaster wrote:
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I heard it yesterday and I think it's just amazing... Which raises some questions. Given that his last few albums have been so bad, |
??? You must have a strange definition of "bad"....
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I heard it yesterday and I think it's just amazing... Which raises some questions. Given that his last few albums vomited heaping piles of fail sauce...
Better? |
That was really a valuable post from a Prog Reviewer...
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ergaster
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Posted: September 26 2011 at 09:01 |
Jake Kobrin wrote:
ergaster wrote:
Jake Kobrin wrote:
I heard it yesterday and I think it's just amazing... Which raises some questions. Given that his last few albums have been so bad, |
??? You must have a strange definition of "bad"....
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I heard it yesterday and I think it's just amazing... Which raises some questions. Given that his last few albums vomited heaping piles of fail sauce...
Better? |
Clearer, yes.  As a comment on your taste...well.....  Cereally, though...I'm waiting for my copy to arrive so I can hear all of it at once. I had to stop listening to the available tracks so as not to ruin the experience tooo much. The last few albums? Hm. I don't count Welcome to My DNA as a Wilson album, since that was pretty much all Geffen, and it is a collection of pleasant tunes that aren't particularly offensive, but it is pretty much meh. The Incident isn't bad, but entirely too strained and Just So Darned Earnest. FoaBP is in my Desert Island Collection, stuff I would not exit the planet without. A collection that spans 40 years, so this is a rare gem to me. I may be unusual here in that my introduction to Wilson and his entire oeuvre was with Insurgentes. THAT is what hooked me entirely on the man and his work. It too goes with me to the Deserted Isle. IMHO Lightbulb Sun is damned near unlistenable, so there ya go......
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Posted: September 26 2011 at 01:55 |
I've had 3 listens to it now and believe this is something special. His best collection of songs since In Absentia and musically the most interesting work he has been involved since Signify. In my opinion its better than Deadwing, FOABP and The Incident. Those are all solid 4 star efforts but this is the real deal modern 5 star masterpeice. Since In Absentia SW has been 'forced' to write more and more for a band format and that has perhaps limited his options. This is so good because he is able to express himself fully. Its a labour of love quite clearly.
BTW Do yourselves all a favour and get the DVD version especially the Blue Ray version if you have the equipment. It really enhances the enjoyment having the videos (5 of the tracks) and as well as a collection of photos for each track.
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Jake Kobrin
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Posted: September 26 2011 at 01:20 |
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I prefer Normal to Sentimental. What a fantastic track that is! The entire Nil Recurring EP is really quite wonderful, actually.
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Posted: September 26 2011 at 00:52 |
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Just bought it so I haven't listened yet, but all these positive comments make me feel a bit better about it. I feared Wilson was losing something with both FOABP and TI. |
Really?? FOABP is a great album and one of PT's best IMO. |
FOABP was only good to my ears. The long track (name escapes me atm) and Way Out Of Here are excellent, and the title track is pretty good (though lyrically not too good, luckily there is enough enjoyable music). I don't really care for the other three. Definitely listenable (unlike most of TI) but by no means something I want to listen to aside from playing through the record. I'd give it about a 3 overall.
But compared to other PT releases (especially the two prior) it was a step down for my taste. |
I would add Sentimental to the above 3 as well. The other two I don't care for. 4 out 6 songs are pretty nice on the album.
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Posted: September 26 2011 at 00:02 |
I read all this stuff and decided to pre-order the album on iTunes. Can't wait to hear it! 
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Jake Kobrin
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Posted: September 25 2011 at 23:04 |
ergaster wrote:
Jake Kobrin wrote:
I heard it yesterday and I think it's just amazing... Which raises some questions. Given that his last few albums have been so bad, |
??? You must have a strange definition of "bad"....
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OK:
I heard it yesterday and I think it's just amazing... Which raises some questions. Given that his last few albums vomited heaping piles of fail sauce...
Better?
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ergaster
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Posted: September 25 2011 at 21:56 |
Jake Kobrin wrote:
I heard it yesterday and I think it's just amazing... Which raises some questions. Given that his last few albums have been so bad, |
??? You must have a strange definition of "bad"....
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Posted: September 25 2011 at 21:36 |
Exactly, in fact, often times shoegaze/postpunk influence = dark, melancholy sound.
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Posted: September 25 2011 at 21:21 |
The Truth wrote:
Jake Kobrin wrote:
I don't get it? I haven't heard Insurgentes in years but shoegaze? Post-punk? I don't recall hearing any of that. What I do recall is Steven Wilson releasing some of his most experimental (and dark) material of the past few years. |
It had several elements of shoegaze in it as did Fear of a Blank Planet.
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I agree... definitely had that dark, post-punk, shoegaze sound.
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Posted: September 25 2011 at 19:41 |
Jake Kobrin wrote:
I don't get it? I haven't heard Insurgentes in years but shoegaze? Post-punk? I don't recall hearing any of that. What I do recall is Steven Wilson releasing some of his most experimental (and dark) material of the past few years. |
It had several elements of shoegaze in it as did Fear of a Blank Planet.
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Posted: September 25 2011 at 18:42 |
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I liked Insurgentes and all the recent PT albums so I'd be surprised if I don't like it. I'd also be pissed since I sprung for the deluxe edition.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted: September 25 2011 at 16:46 |
TopographicTales wrote:
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Just bought it so I haven't listened yet, but all these positive comments make me feel a bit better about it. I feared Wilson was losing something with both FOABP and TI. |
Really?? FOABP is a great album and one of PT's best IMO. |
FOABP was only good to my ears. The long track (name escapes me atm) and Way Out Of Here are excellent, and the title track is pretty good (though lyrically not too good, luckily there is enough enjoyable music). I don't really care for the other three. Definitely listenable (unlike most of TI) but by no means something I want to listen to aside from playing through the record. I'd give it about a 3 overall.
But compared to other PT releases (especially the two prior) it was a step down for my taste.
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Posted: September 25 2011 at 13:26 |
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I blew $18 on Insurgentes. Fool me once and all... |
Not $18 for me, but still I was very disappointed in Insurgentes 
I disliked The Incident when it first came out too. It grew on me after repeated listenings though. I quite like it now, though I don't think it's as good as anything from Stupid Dream thru Fear Of A Blank Planet. (not a big fan of the early psychadelic PT phase)
I'll have to listen to this one on the web before I decide to buy it, I think.
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Posted: September 25 2011 at 12:52 |
Jake Kobrin wrote:
I don't get it? I haven't heard Insurgentes in years but shoegaze? Post-punk? I don't recall hearing any of that. What I do recall is Steven Wilson releasing some of his most experimental (and dark) material of the past few years. |
Shoegaze not but it has many tributes to bands like The Cure, Cocteau Twins, Depeche Mode. So definitely post-punk (or new wave if that sound better), as he admits in any interview I've read. And even the jazzy and noise parts are very dark.
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Posted: September 25 2011 at 12:40 |
post-rock songs don't climax with walls of sound (at least the ones from artists I've listened). 
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Jake Kobrin
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Posted: September 25 2011 at 12:35 |
Horizons wrote:
I liked Insurgentes, i just didn't like how a lot of the tracks climaxed with a wall of noise. |
Not a fan of post-rock? 
And about the alleged influences on Insurgentes, I can definitely hear drone but that's about it. The shoegaze and post-punk labels are quite a stretch.
Edited by Jake Kobrin - September 25 2011 at 12:41
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Posted: September 25 2011 at 12:28 |
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I liked Insurgentes, i just didn't like how a lot of the tracks climaxed with a wall of noise.
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Jake Kobrin
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Posted: September 25 2011 at 12:23 |
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I don't get it? I haven't heard Insurgentes in years but shoegaze? Post-punk? I don't recall hearing any of that. What I do recall is Steven Wilson releasing some of his most experimental (and dark) material of the past few years.
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