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NetsNJFan 
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 Posted: May 22 2005 at 12:42 |
 King of Loss wrote:
Dream Theater fanatics own you are currently looking at one 
I've said before
DREAM THEATER FANATICS WILL OWN ELP FANATICS!
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At Least ELP fanatics admit ELP wasn't perfect perfect. It woudl be nice if DT fans would do the same for DT.
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King of Loss
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Posted: May 22 2005 at 12:35 |
Dream Theater fanatics own you are currently looking at one
I've said before
DREAM THEATER FANATICS WILL OWN ELP FANATICS!
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NetsNJFan
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Posted: May 22 2005 at 12:33 |
Walker wrote:
I am a fan of Dream Theater. Having said that, I wouldn't give every one of their albums a 5 rating. I have been listening to prog since the late seventies, so I am no newcomer. One of the things that I think people tend to overlook is this: whether you personally like them or not, you must admit that DT is often the first contact with prog for a lot of people today. These people then sart moving into other areas of prog and start to learn about all the great prog bands of the 70's as well as the so-called Neo-Prog bands of the current day. Any band that helps spread the word about this great music we all love is OK in my book! Give the fanboys a break. I was the same about Yes in 1977-78. I eventually moved on to many other forms of prog both modern and not. The DT fanboys that you all hate so much will move on eventually as well. I say any band that gets somebody excited about prog has done the world a great service. If all we do is criticsize these new prog fans, then they will come away from this experience with a bad taste in their mouth. Is that really what we want to do? Do we really want to show these newbies to prog that they are entering a music world full of snobs? Or worse, that they will find prog really is as pretentious as they have been told? That's all we need. Ok, I step down from my soapbox now!
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Great Post. But the ones that annoy me that I'm talking about don't come into the prog world trying to explore, they come in thinking that they know it all, and that DT is the final authority on all Prog, and that the 70's scene was crap compared to the supreme greatness of DT. (ok my run-on sentence is complete) THAT pisses me off.
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Posted: May 22 2005 at 12:24 |
Valarius wrote:
Yeap, I've just noticed. Sorry.  |
No hard feeling then, Ok???
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Snow Dog
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Posted: May 22 2005 at 12:01 |
Well said Walker! 
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Walker
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Posted: May 22 2005 at 11:55 |
I am a fan of Dream Theater. Having said that, I wouldn't give every one of their albums a 5 rating. I have been listening to prog since the late seventies, so I am no newcomer. One of the things that I think people tend to overlook is this: whether you personally like them or not, you must admit that DT is often the first contact with prog for a lot of people today. These people then sart moving into other areas of prog and start to learn about all the great prog bands of the 70's as well as the so-called Neo-Prog bands of the current day. Any band that helps spread the word about this great music we all love is OK in my book! Give the fanboys a break. I was the same about Yes in 1977-78. I eventually moved on to many other forms of prog both modern and not. The DT fanboys that you all hate so much will move on eventually as well. I say any band that gets somebody excited about prog has done the world a great service. If all we do is criticsize these new prog fans, then they will come away from this experience with a bad taste in their mouth. Is that really what we want to do? Do we really want to show these newbies to prog that they are entering a music world full of snobs? Or worse, that they will find prog really is as pretentious as they have been told? That's all we need. Ok, I step down from my soapbox now!
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Posted: May 22 2005 at 11:55 |
But as always, these DT threads have a lot of staying power! Which annoys some members I guess!
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NetsNJFan
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Posted: May 22 2005 at 11:49 |
Swinton MCR wrote:
Six Degrees is a fine CD and the most "Progressive" (Mainly due to the Enid-like overture and less of the mega heavy riffing on the Six Degrees epic track)
The arguments in this thread are the same ones used in an ELP bashing thread......
DT are a valid producer of fine modern prog-metal - either listen and enjoy or get off on whatever floats your boat.....
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oh its just fun
And it didn't begin as a "DT" bashing thread so much as a "DT fanatic" bashing thread.
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Swinton MCR
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Posted: May 22 2005 at 11:44 |
Six Degrees is a fine CD and the most "Progressive" (Mainly due to the Enid-like overture and less of the mega heavy riffing on the Six Degrees epic track)
The arguments in this thread are the same ones used in an ELP bashing thread......
DT are a valid producer of fine modern prog-metal - either listen and enjoy or get off on whatever floats your boat.....
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Posted: May 22 2005 at 10:53 |
Valarius wrote:
flowerchild wrote:
As I said, u are reported. I've been in the forum for more then two years. Anyhow, a newbie has the same rights as anybody else. I still think u ought to chill and relax as u seem irritated in several of your posts, not just when u answer to me but to others as well. Anyway, I always write what I feel, as you are yourself and all others. Finally, I'm not a provocatour, I think u are, though. And it's not my agenda to get people banned. It was the admins thet banned K9. All I do is report when people break the rules, as u just did, TWICE. And that all I have to say to you in this matter (I hope). Have a nice day. |
What exactly has he done which inclines "Breaking the rules"?
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I think it was me calling him "pathetic".
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Posted: May 22 2005 at 10:50 |
And we sooo need to be understood! 
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NetsNJFan
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Posted: May 22 2005 at 10:46 |
Valarius wrote:
Certif1ed wrote:
At the end of the day, it's easy enough to tell the difference between a carefully considered review with at least an attempt at objectivity and a simple "fanboy" review. If lots of people want to rate an album with 5 stars, that is simply an indication of its popularity - not the quality.
The quality of the reviews give a much better indication of the quality of the music, so I think this type of review is actually quite helpful.
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I understand that, but at the same time it confuses me. I could go right now if I wanted to and write a review of every Dream Theater album. I could analyse every song and why I like it, and each album would get five stars. It sounds like you are "looking" for reasons to give them five stars.
Once that's done, my review will only receive all these comments about how it's from a typical "Fanboy who hasn't considered his review".
Ya'mean?
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 - Five Stars - There is no way for EVERY ALBUM. I understand you givign some of their best albums 5. But it sounds like they are getting the 5 star stamp for having the DT seal.
By the way, great thread, fun stuff, It sayed much more civil than I expected it too, And I am not tryin to pick fights, I am just tryign to understand DT fans, I just don't understand them.
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Valarius
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Posted: May 22 2005 at 09:15 |
Prog Metal at it's finest. 
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Valarius
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Posted: May 22 2005 at 09:12 |
Yeap, I've just noticed. Sorry.
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Posted: May 22 2005 at 09:08 |
Valarius wrote:
flowerchild wrote:
Valarius wrote:
My two cents here is that us Dream Theater fans are always more than happy to discuss anything prog-related, but as soon as we mention how Dream Theater are our favourite bands, all the old proggers go on-and-on about how we don't know anything about prog and we one-sided etc etc, and how Dream Theater can't compose properly and steal riffs and the list continues.
Basically, I'm putting the blame for all these wars on oldie prog fans (who don't like Dream Theater). Now I can't judge any of you because I don't know you, but the GENERAL IMPRESSION I get from you all is "Dream Theater isn't prog. Yes/ELP/Genesis (Anyone else)... IS prog. If someone likes Dream Theater, they are ignorant to prog music and know nothing".
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Can't you just give up, man You can listen to DT every minute for the rest of your life, it's just fine with me, but now I must say that everything's probably has been said in this matter, so won't you just stop, please!
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I can tell you haven't been here long mate. Why should I "Give it up"... As a Dream Theater fan, I always have to hear all these insults and comments... If I said something negative about ELP, I'm sure an ELP fan would argue some point with me.
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I've already had a bit of a set to with Flowerchild over this! We've shaken hands now though
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Valarius
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Posted: May 22 2005 at 09:03 |
flowerchild wrote:
As I said, u are reported. I've been in the forum for more then two years. Anyhow, a newbie has the same rights as anybody else. I still think u ought to chill and relax as u seem irritated in several of your posts, not just when u answer to me but to others as well. Anyway, I always write what I feel, as you are yourself and all others. Finally, I'm not a provocatour, I think u are, though. And it's not my agenda to get people banned. It was the admins thet banned K9. All I do is report when people break the rules, as u just did, TWICE. And that all I have to say to you in this matter (I hope). Have a nice day. |
What exactly has he done which inclines "Breaking the rules"?
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Valarius
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Posted: May 22 2005 at 09:02 |
Certif1ed wrote:
At the end of the day, it's easy enough to tell the difference between a carefully considered review with at least an attempt at objectivity and a simple "fanboy" review. If lots of people want to rate an album with 5 stars, that is simply an indication of its popularity - not the quality.
The quality of the reviews give a much better indication of the quality of the music, so I think this type of review is actually quite helpful.
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I understand that, but at the same time it confuses me. I could go right now if I wanted to and write a review of every Dream Theater album. I could analyse every song and why I like it, and each album would get five stars.
Once that's done, my review will only receive all these comments about how it's from a typical "Fanboy who hasn't considered his review".
Ya'mean?
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Valarius
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Posted: May 22 2005 at 08:58 |
Snow Dog wrote:
I dont see why Valearius has to give it up! He makes reasonable and valid points! Why dont you stop replying if you want it to end? Sheeesh who are you to tell him! My word! Its a forum isnt it? So postings what its about. |
Thank you. 
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Valarius
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Posted: May 22 2005 at 08:55 |
flowerchild wrote:
Valarius wrote:
My two cents here is that us Dream Theater fans are always more than happy to discuss anything prog-related, but as soon as we mention how Dream Theater are our favourite bands, all the old proggers go on-and-on about how we don't know anything about prog and we one-sided etc etc, and how Dream Theater can't compose properly and steal riffs and the list continues.
Basically, I'm putting the blame for all these wars on oldie prog fans (who don't like Dream Theater). Now I can't judge any of you because I don't know you, but the GENERAL IMPRESSION I get from you all is "Dream Theater isn't prog. Yes/ELP/Genesis (Anyone else)... IS prog. If someone likes Dream Theater, they are ignorant to prog music and know nothing".
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Can't you just give up, man You can listen to DT every minute for the rest of your life, it's just fine with me, but now I must say that everything's probably has been said in this matter, so won't you just stop, please!
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I can tell you haven't been here long mate. Why should I "Give it up"... As a Dream Theater fan, I always have to hear all these insults and comments... If I said something negative about ELP, I'm sure an ELP fan would argue some point with me.
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transend
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Posted: May 22 2005 at 00:54 |
King of Loss wrote:
THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE ON THE NEW JAMES LABRIE CD MY MAN!!!!
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Err, dont think so, the song titles are BOTH said in the songs and this drummer sounds like he can play, not the guy on La Brie's effort
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