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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2009 at 02:24
Originally posted by AmbianceMan AmbianceMan wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

"the warm of God" ... but even Epignosis has already established that he is malevolent.Ermm

As David Hume put it:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent.
Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Whence, then evil?


If you are God, you decide what is malevolent.

But you are not God...
 
This is a major point.  We as humans tend to think that we know more than we do.  Our mind compared to God is like comparing an electron to The Milky Way, and I'm sure it's even more of a divide than that.  We can't even pretend we know why, what, or how when it comes to what he does or chooses not to do.  Evil is not a product of God, it is a product of our feeble humanness.  Sure, if God created us you could use the argument that he created evil, but it's not that easy.  What about creating Satan?  He didn't...Lucifer chose to turn his back.  What's really going on is that he gives us free will to a point and we often choose evil.  If we were simply created perfect then we would just be a bunch of automatons walking around with a pre-programmed brain.  He leaves the choice up to us.  But once me make one bad choice it's like burning a bridge with no way to repair it as far as he's concerned, except by seeking the truth.
 
But I digress before I get accused of preaching.
 
God pretty much tells us as much as we are able to comprehend up front without hiding anything.  It's all in the book.  It's a bloody book full of sinners, not a goody two-shoes pious work.  It pretty much pleads with you to search out answers to your heart's content.  Highly recommended!
I don't believe in Satan, I do believe that: The Devil does not exist and never did, Azazel is figment, Meririm is a fiction, Ba'al'zebub is a myth, Lucifer isn't real and wasn't made from light, Apollyon/Abbadon is an invention, Unicorns never lived, Dragons never breathed fire, Hell is a myth, Giants never walked the land(the Nephilim were probably Neanderthals) and that serpents and goats are just animals.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2009 at 00:36
Evolution(natural selection) is the best answer for me and the right one...^__^
The planet is fine the people are f**ked.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2009 at 22:24
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This provoked my earlier statement: Then why worship him? Why bother respecting him?
 
Because I believe he has dominion over everything, even time and space. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2009 at 22:13
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

"the warm of God" ... but even Epignosis has already established that he is malevolent.Ermm

As David Hume put it:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent.
Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Whence, then evil?


If you are God, you decide what is malevolent.

But you are not God...
 
This is a major point.  We as humans tend to think that we know more than we do.  Our mind compared to God is like comparing an electron to The Milky Way, and I'm sure it's even more of a divide than that.  We can't even pretend we know why, what, or how when it comes to what he does or chooses not to do.  Evil is not a product of God, it is a product of our feeble humanness.  Sure, if God created us you could use the argument that he created evil, but it's not that easy.  What about creating Satan?  He didn't...Lucifer chose to turn his back.  What's really going on is that he gives us free will to a point and we often choose evil.  If we were simply created perfect then we would just be a bunch of automatons walking around with a pre-programmed brain.  He leaves the choice up to us.  But once me make one bad choice it's like burning a bridge with no way to repair it as far as he's concerned, except by seeking the truth.
 
But I digress before I get accused of preaching.
 
God pretty much tells us as much as we are able to comprehend up front without hiding anything.  It's all in the book.  It's a bloody book full of sinners, not a goody two-shoes pious work.  It pretty much pleads with you to search out answers to your heart's content.  Highly recommended!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2009 at 19:44
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

"the warm of God" ... but even Epignosis has already established that he is malevolent.Ermm

As David Hume put it:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent.
Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Whence, then evil?
 
I think that was Epicurus....
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2009 at 18:05
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

"the warm of God" ... but even Epignosis has already established that he is malevolent.Ermm

As David Hume put it:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent.
Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Whence, then evil?


If you are God, you decide what is malevolent.

But you are not God...

This provoked my earlier statement: Then why worship him? Why bother respecting him?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2009 at 17:42
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

"the warm of God" ... but even Epignosis has already established that he is malevolent.Ermm

As David Hume put it:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent.
Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Whence, then evil?


If you are God, you decide what is malevolent.

But you are not God...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2009 at 16:07
"the warm of God" ... but even Epignosis has already established that he is malevolent.Ermm

As David Hume put it:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent.
Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Whence, then evil?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2009 at 15:47
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^^^ if you're referring to the theory of Creationism (AKA The Book of Genesis), as far as I'm concerned it only consists of holes and inconsistencies. Dawkins does a great job at explaining them in great detail in The Greatest Show On Earth, there's absolutely no need for me to explain it over and over again here. But the two of us have already established in the other thread that you are not a skeptic - and doesn't the bible - among other things - teach that people should not strive for knowledge?Wink
 
Tendentiously and hatefully sarcastic... it's true in some way, not in the one you wish... but I'll survive... living is knowledge as well man... not only "physical" evidence... Until you don't feel or taste the warm of God -I hope this do not sound like I'm priestching- and you don't denied it as a "massive hysteria" or "schizophrenia" you won't understand it...
 
Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2009 at 15:41
^ I see. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2009 at 15:40
Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:



Actually . . . that line is much more on topic than I initially thought. See, Mike? I'm contributing. Big smile


Actually I was referring to Negoba's post, not yours.LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2009 at 15:39
^^^ if you're referring to the theory of Creationism (AKA The Book of Genesis), as far as I'm concerned it only consists of holes and inconsistencies. Dawkins does a great job at explaining them in great detail in The Greatest Show On Earth, there's absolutely no need for me to explain it over and over again here. But the two of us have already established in the other thread that you are not a skeptic - and doesn't the bible - among other things - teach that people should not strive for knowledge?Wink


Edited by Mr ProgFreak - December 03 2009 at 15:39
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2009 at 15:38
Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

I'm found out - I'm one of the priests of the Temples of Syrinx


Who cares about your silly whim? It doesn't fit the plan!

Actually . . . that line is much more on topic than I initially thought. See, Mike? I'm contributing. Big smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2009 at 15:36
I'm found out - I'm one of the priests of the Temples of Syrinx
You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2009 at 15:34
Hey, I think he is just thowing some questions and point out some weak or wholes in our theories to try to makes wonder about our own belives... I think is good... someone have to have that job...
Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2009 at 15:32
^^^ If you don't want to say something specific about the topic, just say so ... 

Edited by Mr ProgFreak - December 03 2009 at 15:32
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2009 at 15:32
Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

^ Hey, Jay! Your post count is 2112!!!

lol, sorry, had to be pointed out . . .

Carry on.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2009 at 15:30
^ Hey, Jay! Your post count is 2112!!!

lol, sorry, had to be pointed out . . .

Carry on.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2009 at 15:27
What I have repeatedly done is point out the limitations of current theories about speciation, and more importantly the understanding of those common man who uses those concepts as the basis of his understanding of how the Universe works.
 
Which is exactly what you repeatedly are trying to do about Christianity.
You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2009 at 15:22
I have never said natural selection was not one of the forces involved in speciation.
You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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