List manipulation?

Raff wrote: The other day I went through my 5-star reviews, and decided to knock a star off three or four of those albums. I will also have to edit my reviews somewhat, but that won't be too much of a problem. Personally, I believe it is a good thing when we can look back at what we wrote in the past, and realise there is room for improvement.

I've done that myself.

Mirage by Camel was the first to lose it's fifth star.

micky wrote: Epignosis wrote: micky wrote: I'm not...  but that's why I've suggested letting everyone has their voice.. their say.. their ratings and reviews.  but only using collab reviews to do the site's album lists. some of the benefits... encourage people to write reviews... write good ones... and get promoted to where their reviews count if influencing the rankings matters that much. eliminates manipulation.... manipulating collabs soon lose the ability to manipulate.. and also being a collab. I think that punishes the 95% of the non-collaborators who give a sh*t about what they do. punishing?   I think that is getting into the realm of melodramatic.   I'm not the one crying about the album lists... I learned to ignore them years ago. Some are though.. and  if people want rankings and lists that mean something... let the professional reviewers influence them.  If one isn't one... then try to become one.  Otherwise no one is punished.. anyone and everyone can review albums. If someone is upset about not being able to manipulate the charts.. then most likely they are reviewing for the wrong reasons anyway.

I specifically tried to avoid the word "punishes" precisely because I knew that's what you'd say.  But I'm 7-8 beers in, so oh well.

Rankings and reviews mean a lot to me, because it helps me compose and prioritize my wish list.  And I value the well-thought-out reviews of non-collabs (honestly, I can predict how some collabs will rate things based on talking to them for so long).  You like Italian caterwauling.  I know that now. 

But seriously, I like what we have here.  I think the algorithms in place are sound.  A few sh*tty ratings by haters won't stop one powerful review from a collaborator.

yepper....  that is what makes site reviewers good judges for those lists...  many... in fact nearly all can look past their petty likes and dislikes.. and actually review the album.

of course.. unless M@X decides to step in because that suggestion has never gone anywhere and probably isn't going to happen..

the question is ...what  to do to avoid this problem... Gazpacho will be corrected... those who read this thread see there is another example. .one that won't be corrected.  I won't review it.. the only reason I would be to explicitedly manipulate the ratings.. because I listened to it.. and it is a good album.. but NOT anywhere near the top 50. 

if an album doesn't have a minimum of 5 collab reviews.. it doesn't belong in the top 100 albums.   Easy...  if 5 collabs here don't know of it.. or bother to review it... it doesn't belong in the top 100 on this site.

Raff wrote: Negoba wrote: You mean if I keep rating my fanboy albums like Foxtrot and CTTE 5 stars I'm going to be demoted? Well, I should be demoted way before you are, because I have an absolutely staggering amount of 5-star reviews - many of which are positively fanboyish in tone!

ahhh.. but that is only half of it...  tell them about your DT reviews

Epignosis wrote: micky wrote: I'm not...  but that's why I've suggested letting everyone has their voice.. their say.. their ratings and reviews.  but only using collab reviews to do the site's album lists. some of the benefits... encourage people to write reviews... write good ones... and get promoted to where their reviews count if influencing the rankings matters that much. eliminates manipulation.... manipulating collabs soon lose the ability to manipulate.. and also being a collab. I think that punishes the 95% of the non-collaborators who give a sh*t about what they do.

punishing?   I think that is getting into the realm of melodramatic.   I'm not the one crying about the album lists... I learned to ignore them years ago. Some are though.. and  if people want rankings and lists that mean something... let the professional reviewers influence them.  If one isn't one... then try to become one.  Otherwise no one is punished.. anyone and everyone can review albums. If someone is upset about not being able to manipulate the charts.. then most likely they are reviewing for the wrong reasons anyway.

micky wrote: I'm not...  but that's why I've suggested letting everyone has their voice.. their say.. their ratings and reviews.  but only using collab reviews to do the site's album lists. some of the benefits... encourage people to write reviews... write good ones... and get promoted to where their reviews count if influencing the rankings matters that much. eliminates manipulation.... manipulating collabs soon lose the ability to manipulate.. and also being a collab.

I think that punishes the 95% of the non-collaborators who give a sh*t about what they do.

I'm surprised to see an album in the top ten (Gazpacho's) with only  four reviews.  It has 23 ratings without reviews (mind you, one of those ratings is ProgLucky's so that makes a difference).

I intend to, but I also like to give it some time because first impressions (especially in prog) can be pretty skewed. If I end up giving it a 4 as I suspect, it will make very little difference. But I have some more listens first and a few other albums ahead of it in the queue.

What I've heard is good enough....but not 4.80 good.....maybe 4.05 or so.....listening to some tracks now.

Ricochet wrote: Soul Dreamer wrote: ^^^ Yes, but that's just a consequence of the used algorithm...It will go down when more serious (collaborators) reviews are posted. I didn't post this complaint because I want to see Gazpacho high, but just because I think it's crazy that only PF would be 5* and all the rest garbage... The person clearly wants to see the PF albums high in the charts.... It's because of the current algorithm that Gazpacho's album, with just 25 ratings, is among 20-30 albums with more than 400-500 ratings?!

Must be one helluva album!   I like what Gazpacho I've heard, so I should get this when I can.