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topofsm

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Posted: August 01 2009 at 00:59

^Hey! You don't insult one of my favorite threads here!

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Posted: July 31 2009 at 21:18

TheProgtologist wrote:

Last time I checked Opeth were in the Tech/Extreme sub,so talking about the band in this thread is perfectly logical.

Giving us a hard time for talking about them in this thread is uneccesarily rude.

giving me a hard time about giving you a hard time is unnecessarily rude as well!

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Posted: July 31 2009 at 18:57

TheProgtologist wrote:

Last time I checked Opeth were in the Tech/Extreme sub,so talking about the band in this thread is perfectly logical.

Giving us a hard time for talking about them in this thread is uneccesarily rude.

Thank You!

With that settled, I hope, I have been listening to their first 2 albums as well. I must say I rather enjoy them as well! Especially the songs "Black Rose Immortal" and "In Mist She was Standing"

Edited by JJLehto - July 31 2009 at 19:24

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Posted: July 31 2009 at 18:25

avalanchemaster wrote:

Jake Kobrin wrote:

Opeth is my favorite band of all time and they are certainly Extreme. They most definitely fit in this thread...

Really? Your favorite band of all time? I'm sorry, we can't be friends anymore!

Wow... you're no better than the YouTube trolls! Wink

Edited by Jake Kobrin - July 31 2009 at 18:25

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Posted: July 31 2009 at 18:25

sleeper wrote:

Yeah, since Blackwater Park I either dont like their albums or just find them OK, nothing they've done in the last 7 or so years has come close to matching 4 of those first 5 albums (not that fond of Morningrise, though its still a good album).

I have to agree on that to an extent
After Blackwater Park their albums are very good, but not as excellent as before... I don't really think any of them falls below 4 stars to be honest but...

However, I really like Morningrise, I think is a really beautiful and melodic album overall

As to Watershed, I think it's a bit better than the previous two, slightly going to back to Still Life/B. Park patterns

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Posted: July 31 2009 at 18:19

Jake Kobrin wrote:

Opeth is my favorite band of all time and they are certainly Extreme. They most definitely fit in this thread...

Really? Your favorite band of all time? I'm sorry, we can't be friends anymore!

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Posted: July 31 2009 at 18:17

Last time I checked Opeth were in the Tech/Extreme sub,so talking about the band in this thread is perfectly logical.

Giving us a hard time for talking about them in this thread is uneccesarily rude.

JJLehto

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Posted: July 31 2009 at 18:10

I hear you. It's tough once a band has made gold like that. Really can only go down or do the same thing, (then people will complain there's nothing new).

sleeper

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Posted: July 31 2009 at 18:01

Yeah, since Blackwater Park I either dont like their albums or just find them OK, nothing they've done in the last 7 or so years has come close to matching 4 of those first 5 albums (not that fond of Morningrise, though its still a good album).

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Posted: July 31 2009 at 17:58

topofsm wrote:

I actually found you can order Sol Niger Within off the drummer's website for 140 Swedish Krona, which is about 19 dollars, which sounds like a damn good deal.

That is good! Too late now though.... Cry

Regardless, it will be worth it.

And Sleeper, you seem to agree with me on Watershed.
Maybe it was the excitement of a new Opeth album but the more I listened the more it has fallen. I do enjoy it, but really not one of their best releases.

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Posted: July 31 2009 at 17:56

Moatilliatta wrote:

^Watershed has 3 AMAZING songs: Heir Apparent, The Lotus Eater, and Hessian Peel. The other songs are mediocre and borderline cheesy at times. My opinion of it wasn't too high to begin with but it definitely hasn't grown on me at all.

I thought the album was quite good but its gone down in my esteem a bit since last year. It just doesnt seem to gell to well as an album, rather as a series of songs that just doent seem to work to well togethor.

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Posted: July 31 2009 at 17:51

I actually found you can order Sol Niger Within off the drummer's website for 140 Swedish Krona, which is about 19 dollars, which sounds like a damn good deal.

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Posted: July 31 2009 at 17:44

Opeth is my favorite band of all time and they are certainly Extreme. They most definitely fit in this thread...

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Posted: July 31 2009 at 17:32

Now to bring some maturity into this thread and end this pointless banter....

I bought "Sol Niger Within" recently. I could not find this thing for the life of me and had to resort to Amazon....but hey perfect condition and considering how rare it is, not to pricey at all.
Can't wait.

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Posted: July 31 2009 at 17:32

^ I've always thought extreme metal was just sort of a blanket term for metal with harsh vocals.

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Posted: July 31 2009 at 17:30

avalanchemaster wrote:

JJLehto wrote:

avalanchemaster wrote:

no offense guys, but can you start an Opeth appreciation thread? They DO NOT belong in this thread. They are prog metal. Nothing tech about them.

Plus they are so yesterday/old hat.... well at least to me. I watched the Lamentations DVD yesterday and was bored stiff....

No offense, but lighten up. It's bad enough this place has like 50 sub genres. There should be JUST prog metal.....none of this extreme prog and technical metal BS.

Plus Opeth are prog metal, as you said so sorry that they are not specifically "extreme prog metal" and sorry you think there are "so yesterday" but I like them. So either comment about them (good or bad) or KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT! I dont want to hear "they dont belong here" this is a tech/extreme prog thread. Opeth is prog metal, I'd say they're pretty extreme so shut it. I am so sick of this place being so constrained and black and white anyway.....

So...what do you guys think of Watershed? I like it, and at first I LOVED it...but as time has gone on it's not as amazing as I first thought. Or is this yet another PA thread I'm going to have to avoid?
EDIT: Maybe that was over the top... but I'm not changing it.

Real mature! real mature.... I like how you say "no offense" (like I did), but then proceed to fly off the handle. My post was nothing of the sort. I still don't think they belong here.... and I have a right to my two cents.... looks like I will be ignoring this thread from now on; you folks can't even play nice.... and you are LIGHTYEARS behind my knowledge of all things tech metal.... so don't even front..... Tongue

Well at least you noticed that much! Most people wouldn't have picked that up.
But yes, as you can probably gather, I really didn't give a hoot if I insulted you.
And ironic.....the one time I lose it on this site and I get blasted when we have.....well certain people... that are so rude and douchey I want to punch the computer screen.

But I've stopped caring, this site has gone to hell anyway and I feel bad limiting myself to just for fun but whenever I venture out I am frustrated to no end.
And I know you're joking....but don't even question me on tech metal man... Wink

Edited by JJLehto - July 31 2009 at 17:34

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Posted: July 31 2009 at 17:22

Moatilliatta wrote:

avalanchemaster wrote:

no offense guys, but can you start an Opeth appreciation thread? They DO NOT belong in this thread. They are prog metal. Nothing tech about them.

Plus they are so yesterday/old hat.... well at least to me. I watched the Lamentations DVD yesterday and was bored stiff....

I'm sure it was such a hassle sifting through a whole half-page of Opeth discussion just now. Note that this is the "tech/extreme prog metal" thread. Nothing may be "tech" about Opeth, but they qualify as "extreme" and are listed in this subgenre on the ol' Archives. Ergo, discussion of Opeth is fair game. I don't see the harm.

the ONLY thing that makes them extreme is the vocals. (monotone growled vocals hardly constitute as extreme in my book- but I have been into this style for over 15 years... so it's old news) Double bass drumming and fast tempos are not extreme and have been utilized since back in the days of thrash. If you want extreme, go check out Gnaw Their Tongues and (Also a lot of black metal or Psychofagist... with extreme dissonance and texture and insane/deranged vocals)then tell me Opeth are extreme.... PUHLEASE! Confused

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Posted: July 31 2009 at 17:17

JJLehto wrote:

avalanchemaster wrote:

no offense guys, but can you start an Opeth appreciation thread? They DO NOT belong in this thread. They are prog metal. Nothing tech about them.

Plus they are so yesterday/old hat.... well at least to me. I watched the Lamentations DVD yesterday and was bored stiff....

Real mature! real mature.... I like how you say "no offense" (like I did), but then proceed to fly off the handle. My post was nothing of the sort. I still don't think they belong here.... and I have a right to my two cents.... looks like I will be ignoring this thread from now on; you folks can't even play nice.... and you are LIGHTYEARS behind my knowledge of all things tech metal.... so don't even front..... Tongue

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Posted: July 31 2009 at 17:11

^Watershed has 3 AMAZING songs: Heir Apparent, The Lotus Eater, and Hessian Peel. The other songs are mediocre and borderline cheesy at times. My opinion of it wasn't too high to begin with but it definitely hasn't grown on me at all.

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Posted: July 31 2009 at 16:58

avalanchemaster wrote:

no offense guys, but can you start an Opeth appreciation thread? They DO NOT belong in this thread. They are prog metal. Nothing tech about them.

Plus they are so yesterday/old hat.... well at least to me. I watched the Lamentations DVD yesterday and was bored stiff....

No offense, but lighten up. It's bad enough this place has like 50 sub genres. There should be JUST prog metal.....none of this extreme prog and technical metal BS.

Plus Opeth are prog metal, as you said so sorry that they are not specifically "extreme prog metal" and sorry you think there are "so yesterday" but I like them. So either comment about them (good or bad) or KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT! I dont want to hear "they dont belong here" this is a tech/extreme prog thread. Opeth is prog metal, I'd say they're pretty extreme so shut it. I am so sick of this place being so constrained and black and white anyway.....

So...what do you guys think of Watershed? I like it, and at first I LOVED it...but as time has gone on it's not as amazing as I first thought. Or is this yet another PA thread I'm going to have to avoid?
EDIT: Maybe that was over the top... but I'm not changing it.

Edited by JJLehto - July 31 2009 at 17:02