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iguana 
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 Posted: October 25 2006 at 04:15 |
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i don't like them. i find their stuff technically good but boring, hackneyed
and dated. it leaves me completely cold. at age 37, thus being the "neo
prog" generation, so to speak, i guess i have just moved on.
saw roine stolt with transatlantic five years ago and the guy's arrogant
"headmaster of prog lecturing the ignorant" stance on stage plus some of
the stuff he says in interviews completely turns me off. compared to him
steve howe comes across like johnny ramone (R.I.P.)! mind you, sitting
down with him over a beer and a chat is probably a good experience ---
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progressive rock and rural tranquility don't match. true or false?
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Man Overboard
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Posted: October 25 2006 at 03:32 |
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The Flower Kings are my favorite band of all time, and I'm into tons of diverse stuff. I completely appreciate classic prog on so many levels, and it's -because- of that I can appreciate TFK's innovations.
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Posted: October 25 2006 at 02:52 |
 Masque wrote:
I love the flower kings , I listen to them all the time and get so much enjoyment from them , I don`t care what anybody else thinks I love em.  |
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Nothing can last
there are no second chances.
Never give a day away.
Always live for today.
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The T
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Posted: October 25 2006 at 02:37 |
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Yes, Kaipa, you're right. he was almost there...
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 25 2006 at 02:15 |
soundsweird wrote:
1. I don't like singers who sound like dozens of other singers.
2. Let's say there are two people listening to a Flower Kings album. One is 53 years old, has been listening to prog (as well as other types of rock) since he was a kid, has been playing music since the late 60's, etc. The other is 25 or 30 years old. Over the years, the old guy has heard the keyboard sound on the album hundreds of times on other albums, the drumming style hundreds of times on other albums, the guitar chords, similar lyrics.... you get the idea. The younger guy hears the same album, and it all sounds fresh and new.
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What does age have to do with what music you've heard? The only obvious difference between a 60 years old and a 30 years old person is that they perceive the "classic" bands (or indeed any music they hear) differently. The older person "was there", and may have a more authentic view on the classic bands ... but on the other hand that person might be biased towards them, as they represent their youth. The young person on the other hand may never be able to grasp the feeling of the 70s ... but on the other hand they can hear the new music of the 90s without any preconceptions about how prog should sound like. BTW: Roine Stolt was an active musician in the 70s, let's not forget that ... they're hardly a "young" band.
Edited by MikeEnRegalia - October 25 2006 at 02:25
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russellk
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Posted: October 25 2006 at 02:08 |
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Far too easy to call something copied or plagiarised when it is merely influenced. No group on the Archives (with the possible exception of Starcastle) has plagiarised to the extent Led Zeppelin did. What made Zep's theft worse was they stole from black musicians who hadn't made much from the industry.
So - yes, The Flower Kings have been influenced by other progressive acts. So what? I'm 45 and have heard it all. I refuse to miss a chance to enjoy something just because someone tells me it's not original. I think 'Stardust We Are' is one of the very best epic songs ever written.
I can imagine listeners to Beethoven's first public performance getting up and leaving. Pah! He's using the same sounds as Bach! Look, he's using violins!
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Posted: October 25 2006 at 01:50 |
I am 49 years old and I hardly listen to "modern prog", despite I have a few records . I owe one from The Flower Kings ( Space Revolver ) and it is one of few I enjoy and listen regularly . In the end, the answer is always the same: everything is just a matter of taste.
What is hard for me to understand is: all the negative things some people say about TFK can be said about most bands nowadays, even the ones which are the so easily worshipped. It is clear there are some people who really hate the band with passion and are very active showing it ( a bit like what happens with ELP ) but, really, the reasons given are commonplaces and don't justify such a hate.
Greetings.
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The T
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Posted: October 25 2006 at 00:59 |
You are somewhat right...but....two points:
1. Isn't this more of the pretensiousness they accuse prog-rockers of having, actually believing that Genesis, Yes, Tull, Crimson, were so out of this earth original? Let me explain: Yes, they were INCREDIBLY original, for they created a new genre, its foundations....but to say they were 100% new... they, too, learned form somebody... they DIDn't invent rock, that's for sure, and, isn't rock a part of their sound, too? MAny, MANy of their ideas are straight translations of jazz and classical works, subtly camouflaged, too... so, pure originality? No... Man, even Bach learned and even copied at times from Vivaldi, Beethoven from Mozart, Haydn, these two fro the Eisenach master.... so MUSIC is a perpetual copy-work (it was Handel or Bach or some other grandiose master who said something in that vein).... Please...
2. A year ago, your argument would've silenced me.... but since then i've bought every Yes record, every genesis record (but the poppy ones), more than 3 each from Tull, Crimson, Giant, VDGG, Pink floyd, ELP, and I still can't find one where I can say: "man, The Flower Kings sound exactly like that". They may sound like amixture of some of those but with their own UNIQUE sound, too. That's music, being influenced but adding your own ideas into the mix.... So, please tell me, for I still haven't heard EVERY classic prog album, where's the one that will make me cry "PLAGIARISM, UOU SWEDES!!"
But, anyway, good answer.
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Masque
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Posted: October 25 2006 at 00:58 |
I love the flower kings , I listen to them all the time and get so much enjoyment from them , I don`t care what anybody else thinks I love em.
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soundsweird
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Posted: October 25 2006 at 00:25 |
1. I don't like singers who sound like dozens of other singers.
2. Let's say there are two people listening to a Flower Kings album. One is 53 years old, has been listening to prog (as well as other types of rock) since he was a kid, has been playing music since the late 60's, etc. The other is 25 or 30 years old. Over the years, the old guy has heard the keyboard sound on the album hundreds of times on other albums, the drumming style hundreds of times on other albums, the guitar chords, similar lyrics.... you get the idea. The younger guy hears the same album, and it all sounds fresh and new.
This raises the question: is it plagiarism (and I'm not saying the Flower Kings have ever engaged in that; this is just a general observation I've made about recent rock music) if the listener has never heard the original song that has been copied? And what if the new band has never heard the music that they've managed to replicate? I always tell would-be composers to listen to as much music as possible, since that will reduce the chances that they'll end up duplicating what's already been done. Sorry to go off-topic there, I just wanted to get that off my chest; it has nothing to do with the Flower Kings.
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The T
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Posted: October 25 2006 at 00:22 |
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yeah, that's the attitude...
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Yito
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Posted: October 25 2006 at 00:21 |
I'm with you "The T", The Flower Kings is one of my favorite bands and i don't understand why they don't have good recognition in the prog world.
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Psalm 96
1 Sing to the LORD a new song;
sing to the LORD, all the earth.
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Posted: October 24 2006 at 23:35 |
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Why don't many old proggers like (or why do you hate) The Flower Kings so much? They are wonderful...Maybe they didn't invented it, maybe they had a lot of influence by Yes, but thay have their unique sound (now that i've heard all Yes records, all genesis records, most ELp, GentleG records, couple by Camel) I can see that THEY DO HAVE their unique sound... and they are great!! I saw them playing live 3 weeks ago...Stolt is a genius.... They have one of the better technically speaking rhythm section (Reingold, Lillequist) in all of today's prog.... they have mammoth songs but full of melody and still with some ROCk in their prog-ROCk....yes, sometimes they kind of suffer from what I call elephantism (4 double cds, each with more than 130 minutes of music, with a lot of 20+ minutes songs), but other than that, they are marvelous....They are, in this day and age, the only SYMPHONIC rock ala Yes that sti;ll survives and carries that torch with pride...
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