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Duddick ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: August 02 2014 Location: Newport, Wales Status: Offline Points: 432 |
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Growing up in the mid 70’s in the north of England it was always referred to as progressive rock (but never prog). I never heard the term art rock used at that time so presume this must have been a US thing?
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15569 |
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Prog uses to be a short form of Progressive Rock.
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I thought the term was still used today for the left movement. |
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Dellinger ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: June 18 2009 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 12816 |
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I remember reading in a Deep Purple liner notes that they counted themselves among the prog (or progressive, whatever) bands. That must have been one of their classic 70's albums.
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Oct 5th 1968 in a room in Trinity College Cambridge, by a long-haired Londoner reading Natural Sciences (Physics), whilst listening to A Saucerful of Secrets and smoking a joint.
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I'm old (66), first got turned onto the idiom at age 12 (ITCOTKC).
I saw Yes on their CTTE tour, KC on LTIA, Jethro Tull on TAAB etc. Unless you were there, you have no idea. Nobody called it "prog" or even "progressive") in the USA back then. If anything, the labels "art rock" and "theater rock" were thrown around interchangeably. A guitarist friend who was extremely into Crimson was the first to tell me about "jazz rock." (we went to see Crimson's LTIA show together!). At the time, I was totally not into jazz. However, once I explored Mahavishnu Orchestra, I was hooked. I don't think I even heard the term "prog" until well into the 1990s. I do know that Peter Banks (RIP) did not like the term one bit. He thought the term "Dave" would be better. |
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I remember the term "album rock" being thrown about when Detroit's WABX and, later, WRIF, launched their album-oriented rock music formats. Then I remember hearing "Art Rock" in the middle and end of the 70s--but this included bands like 10CC, Hall & Oats, Steely Dan, Boz Scaggs, Phoebe Snow, and Queen.
Though "prog" or "prog rock" was not a term I remember hearing until the mid-80s, I have this gut feeling that the term "progressive rock" was always being used--at least since Days of Future Passed , The Court of the Crimson King, Tarkus and Dark Side of the Moon.
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I remember it being called “art rock” in the 70’s.
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AlanB ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: January 19 2013 Status: Offline Points: 1214 |
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I recall someone at school describing the recently-released "Concerto for group and orchestra" by Deep Purple as progressive rock.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 19017 |
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Probably one of the earliest uses of the term "progressive" as applied to music. Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - February 17 2022 at 12:56 |
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Edited by David_D - February 23 2022 at 01:59 |
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Offline Points: 43874 |
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I believe the term "Progressive Rock" was first mentioned by DJ John Peel in 1967 on his Top Gear radio show on BBC Radio 1, even though he rather ungraciously said later that ELP were a waste of talent and electricity. Ouch!
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All I know is that when I took a girl to see Yes in 1978, she asked if it was what people called progressive rock. I said, "Yes." She thought the show was pretty good.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 19017 |
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I'm pretty sure prog was labelled prog rock or progressive rock back in the 70's. Maybe it depended on where you lived. In the late 70's punks started to call it prog rock and in the late 80's it was starting to get called prog.
I remember I had a cassette tape (I eventually gave it to someone about twelve years ago though) that I called a "prog mix." I made that tape around 1993 or 94 so I definitely heard the term prog by then.
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18159 |
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Hi,
I think our old friend Dean had posted a photo of a concert poster in London that had the word "progressive" on it. One of the bands listed in it was The Edgar Broughton Band ... I don't think that folks are really interested in this "history" ... as soon as it gets better defined, they drop the thread because it undoes what they thought or said. Sometimes, remembering, or referring some history here is very weird, since all folks know in most threads is top this and top that, and mentioning something that has no top anything in it, means that it wasn't worth it for these folks, and just a blur in the horizon. I would like to suggest that "progressive" kinda goes back to the Beatles a wee bit, when things like Hey Jude came out that pretty much blew out a lot of things, and it was a long cut, and had its very own personality and weirdness, that we admire, in a lot of the early "progressive" music. But I would not wish to state that The Nice, The Electric Prunes, and a handful of other bands, that were doing some really different and experimental materials, were not "progressive", because they were, IN THE SENSE that they were expanding the realm of listening and playing ... something that we do not consider and are overly excited on copying and imitating ... so no band could possibly be bigger, or better, than the top 5. And that is the greatest disgrace of the definition of "progressive" music. It deserved its TITLE then, because it was different, new and stretched the limits ... but folks today, don't even know what those "limits" were, that added to the "progressive" style (if you will) that are totally invisible and ignored today ... today anything is "progressive" even if it is a bad copy but features one chord change or something or other like a blue guitar or green shoes, or brown drums. And the majority of things "selected" for inclusion, while well meaning all around, no doubt there, are not something that has stood up with time ... many of those additions become normal nobodies by their 2nd and 3rd albums, which is my reason for stating that it should not be added before their 3rd album. It's a very bizarre and weird topic. if the site made the history a little more than the top 5 or 10, I think that many folks here would enjoy it more than just trolling around, and posting one or two word comments that music and any art, do not deserve. In most cases, they are not even nice! Go do that at the Louvre and see what reception you will get!
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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17983 |
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Thanks for linking that old a$$ thread
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Grumpyprogfan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 09 2019 Location: Kansas City Status: Offline Points: 12470 |
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Thanks to all for the feedback.
Greg, the link you provided was outstanding. ![]() |
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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17983 |
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I don't use the word "prog" to describe King Crimson, JTull, Yes, Genesis. I use the word "prog" to describe bands like Porcupine Tree, Dream Theater, Riverside, Marillion, IQ.
So for me the word "prog" came after "progressive", more in the 80's-90's. Prog is merely an attribute of progressive.
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Well there were rock classifications existing already Jazz-Rock, (Mahavishnu & Co) Brass-Rock (Chicago and stuff), hard rock, heavy rock, art rock, Glam Rock, etc... but not progressive rock. In my neck of the woods (Central Canada - Que/Ont) most of the "prog" bands were loosely called Art Rock. Progressive Rock or "prog" came in the 90's in Europe. Maybe it was already called that sooner in Europe, though.
In Toronto, the Yonge street strip from Dundas to Bloor Street, there was something 10 to 15 record shop and most of them had +/- similar cataloguing as if they consulted each other and set an, unwritten standard method that the clients would find their way easily. Ditto with Montreal St Denis Blvd strip.
Most of the "something" rock were lumped together and the Art/Prog bands were in there. Theoretically most of the JR as well, though not stuff like Weather Report (that would be in jazz section) I know that Throbbing Gristle & Cabaret Voltaire where in rock (but we're talking 78/9 instead of 73/4), but I didn't know about Henry Cow and RIO bands, or else I'd have encountered their records when flipping through the whole rock shelves and would be familiar with their names. So my guess is that they were in the Import bins. The Import bins (when present) had many non UK/US prog bands (Gong, Magma, PFM, a lot of Krautrock, etc... I guess Henry Cow and Art Zoyd might have been in those bins. |
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