Did Rush influence Prog Metal?

The Dark Elf wrote: Logan wrote: Moving the goalposts. It is a time-honored tradition here at PA.  Back on topic, Tool acknowledges King Crimson as their major influence (so much so they are planning on touring together whenever this damn pandemic is over). So you follow the historical thread of those prog metal bands who were influenced by Tool, like Mastodon, Karnivool, Tesseract, etc. you realize the impact King Crimson had. Throw in Iron Maiden and Metallica as well for many of the newer bands.

Now KC, you're speaking my language. I don't think they're given enough credit because they went jazz coo coo after the first album, but I feel there's merit to say they had some impact on prog metal.

Edited by SteveG - October 06 2020 at 11:47

Catcher10 wrote: SteveG wrote: @Catcher 10: I have two versions of each Beatles album. The 1987 and 2009 CD issues/reissues. Mia culpa. So then clearly you do not like them either.....welcome to the club!! I own 3 albums, Sgt Pepper, the Blue and Red albums. Bought by my wife because she thought we could sell them for $1,000's of dollars, until I explained to her there are millions of these records everywhere, they worth $2-3 each.

no, I have two copies of each album they made. Around 7 each, so 14 in total. Sorry.

dougmcauliffe wrote: Aliens? ^

yeah, maybe aliens had more influence on prog metal.

dougmcauliffe wrote: Honestly reading through this it just sounds like the 2-3 people who are convinced Rush had little to no influence on Prog metal just don't like Rush very much so they're trying to subtly diminish and undercut their achievements and influence. I think Logan has hit the nail on the head, you can see countless interviews with members of Dream Theater where they say that they hold Rush as their number on influence, even the video Mike Portnoy posted less than 24 hours ago where he is going through his record collection he says this very thing. Most popular prog metal bands are influenced by Dream Theater, who are, according to them, influenced by.... (fill in the blank)

Aliens? ^

dougmcauliffe wrote: Honestly reading through this it just sounds like the 2-3 people who are convinced Rush had little to no influence on Prog metal just don't like Rush very much so they're trying to subtly diminish and undercut their achievements and influence. I think Logan has hit the nail on the head, you can see countless interviews with members of Dream Theater where they say that they hold Rush as their number on influence, even the video Mike Portnoy posted less than 24 hours ago where he is going through his record collection he says this very thing. Most popular prog metal bands are influenced by Dream Theater, who are, according to them, influenced by.... (fill in the blank)

I love Rush and have seen them live 5 times. Next theory.

Honestly reading through this it just sounds like the 2-3 people who are convinced Rush had little to no influence on Prog metal just don't like Rush very much so they're trying to subtly diminish and undercut their achievements and influence. I think Logan has hit the nail on the head, you can see countless interviews with members of Dream Theater where they say that they hold Rush as their number on influence, even the video Mike Portnoy posted less than 24 hours ago where he is going through his record collection he says this very thing. Most popular prog metal bands are influenced by Dream Theater, who are, according to them, influenced by.... (fill in the blank)

Catcher10 wrote: SteveG wrote: You can thank Jose for that! I am good at bringing up stuff people don't want/are afraid to discuss........It's my hispanic hot blooded nature. And I am soooo very good with it!!

ok, can we go back to arguing about Rush's supposed influence on prog metal now?

Edited by SteveG - October 06 2020 at 11:27

SteveG wrote: You can thank Jose for that!

AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: Catcher10 wrote: SteveG wrote: ^ I admire and respect your zeal for Rush Jose, but people forgetting Zeppelin and Sabbath? Come on, now. Rush was never that much in the consciousness of the main stream.   I know you want people to forget about the Beatles, but that's impossible too. Maybe not in the mainstream (that is arguable today...) but you are on a prog website not Spotify.......There are people who don't know who the Beatles are today. I don't want people to forget about them, just on this site as they have nothing to do with progressive rock music. Where r u all in this picture?? This is what the Beatles represent..... People who don't know the Beatles? Maybe really young people who only listen to pop or rap music. I can pretty much guarantee there's no one who knows about Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Queen, u2, the Rolling Stones or any other band who hasn't at least heard of the Beatles. Also, I'm well aware of your disdain for the Beatles but to say they have nothing to do with progressive rock music is a bit of a stretch. It could even be argued that if there were no Beatles there would be no prog. I won't say Sgt. Pepper's is an early prog album(although some might)but it certainly led to prog. If it wasn't for Fripp hearing a "day in the life" on his way home one evening who knows if KC would have even formed and officially started prog as we know it. So yeah, personal opinions aside, the Beatles are very important in the history and development of prog whether anyone wants to admit it or not.