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After touting low covid numbers a month ago India is now a crisis situation with something like 300 million estimated cases. I hope our friend Madan (rogerthat) is alright.

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As for being more exercised by the 'scandalous lack of basic provision', what do you propose I do about it as an ordinary citizen? My state has already put in place a near-lockdown resisting much partisan political pressure against it.  That should hopefully bring down the number of cases to a manageable level over a period of time.  As for the rest, I never stopped wearing masks anyway, not even after I got covid.  I have done my part.  I can't help the ones who won't, especially the ones who will insist on voting back a Prime Minister who has just washed his hands off the crisis to power. 

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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

 ^ of course it doesn’t. I am sorry for your loss. 

The discussion you quote was not about Covid as such, but about the manner in which death statistics are drawn up and the lack of knowledge as to the true figure. No more, no less. I am not a Covid denier, as any examination of my posts will uncover. I have been more concerned with the reporting of the virus, endless quoting of rather meaningless statistics, and etc.

With respect, I would be rather more exercised about the scandalous lack of basic provision you refer to in your post than a debate which, in my opinion, has more than run its course here. 

The point I was making was in the same way just because a person has some comorbidities doesn't mean they are ripe for death.  They could have continued to live with these comorbidities had they not got covid.  A few months back, a senior colleague in his fifties died of covid because he had cardiovascular/diabetes issues that people may often have in that age group. But he was otherwise healthy enough to attend to work. And my org is not for the faint of heart so he was strong alright. 

So I don't quite agree with the notion that deaths are over-reported.  And on a worldwide level, any over-reporting in the Western universe would easily be compensated (more than, I would argue) by under-reporting in the developing world and that includes China. Fudging statistics is much easier here and it serves our politicians well to rather pretend that covid isn't all that serious.
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 ^ of course it doesn’t. I am sorry for your loss. 

The discussion you quote was not about Covid as such, but about the manner in which death statistics are drawn up and the lack of knowledge as to the true figure. No more, no less. I am not a Covid denier, as any examination of my posts will uncover. I have been more concerned with the reporting of the virus, endless quoting of rather meaningless statistics, and etc.

With respect, I would be rather more exercised about the scandalous lack of basic provision you refer to in your post than a debate which, in my opinion, has more than run its course here. 
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Originally posted by Ronstein Ronstein wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

One thing that puzzles me is our count of covid deaths being defined as "a death within 28 days of a positive test". This implies that it's death due to any cause within 28 days, indeed I heard recently of someone who sadly died in a car accident within 28 days of recovering from covid and he was counted as a covid death. To me this doesn't seem logical and would inflate the covid death count.

Can anyone confirm if this is true or not?

Yes, I can confirm it. It is absolutely the case. This is one of the reasons I have stated that the figures are a crock of sh*t.


That's just bizarre, I wonder how many deaths that have been recorded as covid are actually not due to covid at all then?

No idea, Alan. I doubt anybody has.

I can give you a good example of this literally up the road from me (and if I have posted this before, apologies to all).

In our neighbouring village, Phil Blodyn passed away two weeks ago. The death certificate stated Covid. However........

Phil had had a heart condition for a number of years. He was obese. He developed gangrene, and this spread quite nastily to his back passage. He was taken to West Wales General Hospital, and had to be resuscitated during the op. Unfortunately, he developed Sepsis, a horrendous condition. On the ICU, he also caught Coronavirus (this is, apparently, quite common. The Good Lord keep me away from NHS hospitals, please), and he passed away a couple of days later.

My point? Phil was not a well man. It is probable, indeed highly likely, that he will have passed away anyway, but because he tested positive for Covid on the ICU, he is classed as one of our Covid death victims. Maybe, but it is clearly not as simple as that, and I think that this has been repeated many times.

I have been trying, repeatedly, and without a great deal of success, to explain to Friede that the statistics are meaningless. I can only wonder why they keep repeating them. The cynic in me thinks it is to scare people. Nobody,. Nowhere, knows precisely how many people have died of Covid, or been infected, or where the virus is the PRIMARY causation of death. Nobody.

To an extent, it doesn't matter how the COVID death definition is achieved as long as it's consistent. The real value isn't in the number itself but how its changing. 

Well, a schoolmate of mine - which would make her mid 30s like me - died of covid.  People are dying now for not being able to get oxygen in time.  I supposed that - lack of oxygen - too makes it a non covid death? 
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^Maybe this article???
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-81049-2

It's a bit beyond my reading level, but Nature is a reputable peer-reviewed science publication.
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Originally posted by RihanaBB RihanaBB wrote:

I have read that one research have discovered a combination of terpenes and CBD with the potential to manage the symptoms of COVID-19, or even to prevent infection altogether.

Please tell us more, or post the link to the evidence.
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So it's all really crazy. People were afraid to go out for a walk, meet friends or buy food. I was also scared and somehow read the reviews the swiss colony customer service and started ordering home delivery. Most of my friends did the same because people like crazy bought everything they needed and didn't need. And now when the disease is much more than in the beginning, people don`t even want to wear masks. This is nonsense

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Well at least we're getting on with the vaccination program well - got mine booked in for next Wednesday.
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There are some new scientific discoveries about the coronavirus. It may infect key brain cells, causing neurons to die. Read this article:


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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

One thing that puzzles me is our count of covid deaths being defined as "a death within 28 days of a positive test". This implies that it's death due to any cause within 28 days, indeed I heard recently of someone who sadly died in a car accident within 28 days of recovering from covid and he was counted as a covid death. To me this doesn't seem logical and would inflate the covid death count.

Can anyone confirm if this is true or not?

Yes, I can confirm it. It is absolutely the case. This is one of the reasons I have stated that the figures are a crock of sh*t.


That's just bizarre, I wonder how many deaths that have been recorded as covid are actually not due to covid at all then?

No idea, Alan. I doubt anybody has.

I can give you a good example of this literally up the road from me (and if I have posted this before, apologies to all).

In our neighbouring village, Phil Blodyn passed away two weeks ago. The death certificate stated Covid. However........

Phil had had a heart condition for a number of years. He was obese. He developed gangrene, and this spread quite nastily to his back passage. He was taken to West Wales General Hospital, and had to be resuscitated during the op. Unfortunately, he developed Sepsis, a horrendous condition. On the ICU, he also caught Coronavirus (this is, apparently, quite common. The Good Lord keep me away from NHS hospitals, please), and he passed away a couple of days later.

My point? Phil was not a well man. It is probable, indeed highly likely, that he will have passed away anyway, but because he tested positive for Covid on the ICU, he is classed as one of our Covid death victims. Maybe, but it is clearly not as simple as that, and I think that this has been repeated many times.

I have been trying, repeatedly, and without a great deal of success, to explain to Friede that the statistics are meaningless. I can only wonder why they keep repeating them. The cynic in me thinks it is to scare people. Nobody,. Nowhere, knows precisely how many people have died of Covid, or been infected, or where the virus is the PRIMARY causation of death. Nobody.

To an extent, it doesn't matter how the COVID death definition is achieved as long as it's consistent. The real value isn't in the number itself but how its changing. 
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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Okey dokey then. Here’s a question for the more scientifically minded or qualified amongst you. It is a genuine question from a proudly self-identifying layman who only picks up scientific knowledge from the stuff he reads.

Is it at all possible that the faster spreading variant of Covid is as the result of the old (and my favourite) “law of unintended consequences”?

By this, I mean; Western governments have spent months now pushing their people into and out of varying restrictions and lockdowns in order to suppress the transmission of the virus, or as Boris puts it, “putting our foot on the throat of the virus”. There has been an almost obsessive and relentless primary concern about infection rates and infected numbers, and the need to keep these down.

Is it at all possible that the virus (perfectly naturally and in line with usual evolutionary effects, given that it does not consciously think) has evolved a new mutation successfully in order to spread more quickly, more effectively, and by targeting a larger spread of humanity, in particular the younger personages? Has it done this as a perfectly natural evolutionary reaction to efforts made by us to suppress its spread?

In other words, had we left the bloody thing alone to spread quietly in its original form, would there have been ultimately less damage in terms of infection rates and transmissions?

Have we, by our efforts to suppress something which biologically and naturally exists to spread, in a wholly unnatural manner encouraged it to mutate into a form which more effectively achieves its biological purpose?

This is a serious question on my part, and not a piss take. I have not read this anywhere, and I am surprised that I haven’t, because it strikes this layman as a perfectly natural and logical conclusion to make.

From my (somewhat limited) understanding of mutation, the more people that get infected, the more virus there is in the world replicating, and every replication results in mutations. DNA never replicates exactly. 
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Cosmiclawnmower Cosmiclawnmower wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Cosmiclawnmower Cosmiclawnmower wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

I hope that both of your tests come back negative.

Thanks, yes mine came back a few hours ago, negative luckily.. phew..

Have you heard yet Chopper?

By the way, Happy Birthday Steve!Big smileClapBeer

Great news, and thank you very much Big smile
My wife and I both tested negative, thanks.
Thats great newsClap and here's wishing us all a better year in 2021.

Yep, great news. With any luck, 2021 will see us at a Pendragon show.
Now that would be great!

Well, at the time of writing, Winter’s End is still on. Hopefully, the vaccine rollout will be on track for a loosening of restrictions well before that to give the organisers confidence it can go ahead.
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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Cosmiclawnmower Cosmiclawnmower wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Cosmiclawnmower Cosmiclawnmower wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

I hope that both of your tests come back negative.

Thanks, yes mine came back a few hours ago, negative luckily.. phew..

Have you heard yet Chopper?

By the way, Happy Birthday Steve!Big smileClapBeer

Great news, and thank you very much Big smile
My wife and I both tested negative, thanks.
Thats great newsClap and here's wishing us all a better year in 2021.

Yep, great news. With any luck, 2021 will see us at a Pendragon show.
Now that would be great!
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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Cosmiclawnmower Cosmiclawnmower wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Cosmiclawnmower Cosmiclawnmower wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

I hope that both of your tests come back negative.

Thanks, yes mine came back a few hours ago, negative luckily.. phew..

Have you heard yet Chopper?

By the way, Happy Birthday Steve!Big smileClapBeer

Great news, and thank you very much Big smile
My wife and I both tested negative, thanks.
Thats great newsClap and here's wishing us all a better year in 2021.

Yep, great news. With any luck, 2021 will see us at a Pendragon show.
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Originally posted by Cosmiclawnmower Cosmiclawnmower wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Cosmiclawnmower Cosmiclawnmower wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

I hope that both of your tests come back negative.

Thanks, yes mine came back a few hours ago, negative luckily.. phew..

Have you heard yet Chopper?

By the way, Happy Birthday Steve!Big smileClapBeer

Great news, and thank you very much Big smile
My wife and I both tested negative, thanks.
Thats great newsClap and here's wishing us all a better year in 2021.

Yep, great news. With any luck, 2021 will see us at a Pendragon show.
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Cosmiclawnmower Cosmiclawnmower wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

I hope that both of your tests come back negative.

Thanks, yes mine came back a few hours ago, negative luckily.. phew..

Have you heard yet Chopper?

By the way, Happy Birthday Steve!Big smileClapBeer

Great news, and thank you very much Big smile
My wife and I both tested negative, thanks.
Thats great newsClap and here's wishing us all a better year in 2021.

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