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I happen to love "Battle of Epping Forest" and don't think it's in any way on the level of ELP's attempts at whimsy.
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Originally posted by Argo2112 Argo2112 wrote:

I assume most people on this site are pretty open minded about music & enjoy exploring different artists but I'm sure there are bands we all try to get in to, but we just can't . We don't say that are bad or not talented , they're just not for you. 
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None, really, as I can listen pretty much to anything. But I'll admit that I do not always enjoy the cookie cutter metal stuff and the copy of the vocal styles ... but that just makes the bands secondary for me, and all that means is I am not spending 2 cents on any of them!

My take is ... I DON'T LISTEN TO PROG .... I listen to music! PERIOD

(... AND I don't think that many folks around here get it! ... )


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Comparing Benny the Bouncer to Epping Forest?
A. The Genesis Mini epic, is prog. Benny is chas n dave.
B. Forest fits in perfect with the concept of SEBTP.
C. The lyrical quirky character vocals are the best of any satirical prog song.

I can accept that non English peoples, especially septics, would struggle with the early seventies colloquialisms and not get into the monty pythonesque subleties that make the lyrics multi layered with meanings. Gabriel's finest moment if you ask me....and very badly copied by ... collins...

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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Lots of talk about Dream Theater....as a practicing musician who's seen them in concert, I'd like to say that DT seems to be into fast, long solos for their own sake.  Amazing technicians, but really, you could cut down on the blazing guitar solos and put some heart & soul into it! 

Technically, John Petrucci is one of the "best" guitarists I've ever seen (spoiler alert = I know RF), and his technique and skills are amazing!  I especially enjoy when DT covers other bands like King Crimson.  

However, I just don't listen to them much.  The keyboards are also quite over-done and overwhelming IMHO.  Wish I could play like that!

Also ruined by LaBrie.  I mean, I think they would sound at least a tad more engaging emotionally with a singer like Russell Allen. 
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Originally posted by sukmytoe sukmytoe wrote:

Hogarth era Marillion - the voice is fine for a bit at a time but after a while it's like - Holy Hell, I wish he would stop sobbing his angst out. Hogarth cries, Rothery's guitar cries and after a while I feel like crying.

Perfect encapsulation of how I feel too about Hogarth-Marillion.  That soggy voice is like overcooked sphagetti or something to me.  I guess it's very hard to relate to him coming from Fish-Marillion given that Fish, if anything, magnified the emotions and had this huge dynamic range and all.
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man more than i can count I suppose.. I guess the big one will always be prog Genesis. The years they spent f**king around before finally doing what they were really good at and where their talents really were.. good pop music.   

Oh I like some songs..even love a select few...but fail to see the point of their prog diefication... in which they ever did anything remotely great or groundbreaking like those mentioned in the same breath as them did do... for their albums were to me, at least till they finally ditched prog, a real patchwork of the utterly brilliant and completely forgettable and sleep inducing. Take Epping Forest for example and put all of its 10 minute death march on any other groups albums and that would have been an automatic star to 2 star deduction for lacking teh good sense to leave that stinker on the cutting room room. 
 

I don't agree with your general comment because otherwise it doesn't make sense that so many bands are influenced by them.

However on Epping Forest though I totally agree. It does suggest that people take them way too seriously . At least ELP had the good sense to make Benny the Bouncer only 2 minutes long.
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^ Try Marbles. It's really good, I would be surprised if you didn't like it.
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"Brave" excepted, Post Fish Marillion bores me to tears. May as well be two different bands. Linear, shapeless, atmospheric blandness. I recognize something of value must be there but I don't hear it. Hogarth's voice has a quiver that is discomforting to me, a strain as if each word begins stuck in his throat and must be dislodged. I imagine the great albums that could have been had the original band stayed intact. Fish made better post band music. But I think rarely have two creative forces needed each other more than Fish and Marillion. 

   
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Originally posted by YESESIS YESESIS wrote:

^ So this evening I listened to Unrest and In Praise Of Learning(couldn't find Leg End), and... I actually kind of liked them. Sounded a little Zappaish, and a little like Art Zoyd but weirder.. but honestly not bad. I'm nervous about trying this 'Western Culture' now but maybe I'll tackle that one tomorrow. Finger's crossed lol.


Ok so I listened to Western Culture. Wasn't terrible but I didn't like it as much as the two last night. Was really good in spots, but too much fooling around. Idk I guess I wasn't ready yet or something. 


Edit: I just listened to the album all the way through again. I definitely liked it better this time. Still not one of my favorite albums but I would honestly say that I like it. I'm becoming a fan of this band.. who would have ever thought that. 


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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by YESESIS YESESIS wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by YESESIS YESESIS wrote:

Henry Cow, I've tried but feels like work to try to like it. Some of it didn't even really sound musical to me. I'm pretty open minded when it comes to music, I think. I love Gentle Giant, starting to love Van der Graaf Generator, been listening to a lot of King Crimson this past week, love Spock's Beard, LOVE Frank Zappa. But Henry Cow idk, I'll try again at some point though.  
Start with Leg End, it's easily the most accessible, don't go anywhere near Western Culture until you're 'getting' the others.

Ok thank you. You(like Logan and a few others) seem to know your stuff. Btw Univers Zero is good. I like them! Hopefully now with your suggestion(starting with Leg End and going forward from there) I can finally solve this Henry Cow puzzle and be on my way to being a legit progger. Thank you again.
 
Or you can listen to The Entire Works of Henry Cow from the CD version of Fred Frith - Speechless. Tongue
 
 
 
 
 


Not sure I'm ready for their Entire Works just yet lol. Appreciate the suggestion though. :)
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man more than i can count I suppose.. I guess the big one will always be prog Genesis. The years they spent f**king around before finally doing what they were really good at and where their talents really were.. good pop music.   

Oh I like some songs..even love a select few...but fail to see the point of their prog diefication... in which they ever did anything remotely great or groundbreaking like those mentioned in the same breath as them did do... for their albums were to me, at least till they finally ditched prog, a real patchwork of the utterly brilliant and completely forgettable and sleep inducing. Take Epping Forest for example and put all of its 10 minute death march on any other groups albums and that would have been an automatic star to 2 star deduction for lacking teh good sense to leave that stinker on the cutting room room. 
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In general...I don't care for any of the metal genres...tech metal, exp metal, or even prog metal.
As some have mentioned I find VDGG difficult, mostly due to the vocals....the music is well done prog .
Also find Mike Oldfield boring, most of the time....though there are some bits here and there that are ok.
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I hear a lot of praise about the following bands, and I think I must be missing something (FOMO), so I go check 'em out and end up wondering what all the gushing was about...

Big Big Train
Bent Knee
Marillion
IQ
Genesis
VdGG

There are many more.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by Kempokid Kempokid wrote:

Honestly Yes, they're enjoyable enough, but rarely end up wowing me in any particular way, I find them to be quite bland a lot of the time, yet I find myself often enjoying a lot of bands or songs that are clearly heavily Yes influenced. 

 
I much prefer King Crimson influenced bands than King Crimson themselves.
 
 
 


I quite commonly prefer The Beatles influenced bands than The Beatles themselves (that's lot of bands to choose from).

I like Yes best when it sort of meets King Crimson.



I'm not big on Yes. I loved Fragile as a teenager, and I still like it but rarely return to it, and I enjoy Time and a Word as well as The Yes album. For an album, I've probably given Close to the Edge more "tries" than any other album I never got into. I like the title-track, but even that not altogether.

One certainly needn't enjoy Yes to enjoy this forum.
 
I can't get into King Crimson's "Lizard" album at all, or most of their other albums, apart from the first two. Confused
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So this is very interesting. Is this really about bands that 'I respect but just can't get into' rather than just any bands? There is a difference. It's not about taste although there is a fine dividing line admittedly.
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Originally posted by YESESIS YESESIS wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by YESESIS YESESIS wrote:

Henry Cow, I've tried but feels like work to try to like it. Some of it didn't even really sound musical to me. I'm pretty open minded when it comes to music, I think. I love Gentle Giant, starting to love Van der Graaf Generator, been listening to a lot of King Crimson this past week, love Spock's Beard, LOVE Frank Zappa. But Henry Cow idk, I'll try again at some point though.  
Start with Leg End, it's easily the most accessible, don't go anywhere near Western Culture until you're 'getting' the others.

Ok thank you. You(like Logan and a few others) seem to know your stuff. Btw Univers Zero is good. I like them! Hopefully now with your suggestion(starting with Leg End and going forward from there) I can finally solve this Henry Cow puzzle and be on my way to being a legit progger. Thank you again.
 
Or you can listen to The Entire Works of Henry Cow from the CD version of Fred Frith - Speechless. Tongue
 
 
 
 
 
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^ So this evening I listened to Unrest and In Praise Of Learning(couldn't find Leg End), and... I actually kind of liked them. Sounded a little Zappaish, and a little like Art Zoyd but weirder.. but honestly not bad. I'm nervous about trying this 'Western Culture' now but maybe I'll tackle that one tomorrow. Finger's crossed lol.
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by YESESIS YESESIS wrote:

Henry Cow, I've tried but feels like work to try to like it. Some of it didn't even really sound musical to me. I'm pretty open minded when it comes to music, I think. I love Gentle Giant, starting to love Van der Graaf Generator, been listening to a lot of King Crimson this past week, love Spock's Beard, LOVE Frank Zappa. But Henry Cow idk, I'll try again at some point though.  

Start with Leg End, it's easily the most accessible, don't go anywhere near Western Culture until you're 'getting' the others.


Ok thank you. You(like Logan and a few others) seem to know your stuff. Btw Univers Zero is good. I like them! Hopefully now with your suggestion(starting with Leg End and going forward from there) I can finally solve this Henry Cow puzzle and be on my way to being a legit progger. Thank you again.
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Lots of talk about Dream Theater....as a practicing musician who's seen them in concert, I'd like to say that DT seems to be into fast, long solos for their own sake.  Amazing technicians, but really, you could cut down on the blazing guitar solos and put some heart & soul into it!
 

That's why I prefer the first album to the rest! The chops are there but the emphasis is on songs.
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