Punk: A Logical Extension of Prog?

Dean wrote:

Both of us can articulate our ideas without recourse to graphics that would indicate otherwise erm....

I've just agreed with you re the Post Punk comment but the toys are out the cot otherwise?

I believe the so-called hippy movement circa 1967 was at the source a genuine manifestation of a firm disavowal of the types of obsolete values bequeathed to a post WW2 generation. History teaches us that even an unimpeachable past will be rejected as false, hollow and reactionary to any subsequent generation. (This might be deemed churlish, but is healthy and testimony to a questioning, irreverent and intelligent demographic who refuse to recycle the mistakes of history - albeit this rebellion is self evidently cyclic in nature) Such a cultural groundswell is rare in our republicanised and commodified world and seems to take a planet ravaging global conflict to bring about alas.... We should of course cherish such a response as befitting a faint vestige of consumer sovereignty whenever such rears it's plebeian head. I actually agree with Dean here i.e. Post Punk could be considered a logical extension consequence of Prog i.e. most adventurous and forward thinking musicians circa 1980 would have been intrigued/inspired by the musical freedom afforded by Prog but appalled at it's eventual descent into a bloated, complacent and self indulgent apology for 'unswerving integrity' that robbed the masses of a credible voice to articulate their dissatisfaction with a cultural status quo that would have deemed Status Quo as 'prole art threat edgy'
However, even by the routinely Olympian level standards of crass revisionist drivel that Dean normally churns out, the notion that the cart (punk journalists i.e. Sounds) were driving the horse (musicians circa 1976 onwards) smacks of someone crow-barring the world's most inane yet tempting pun into an argument (Punk - tuated Equilibrium geddit?)


Edited by ExittheLemming - March 06 2015 at 08:52

Dean wrote: Punk - no. Post-punk - certainly.

This. And Wire in particular.

Svetonio wrote: Punk in general was the last big movement of youth. As a sub-genre of rock music, it was anti-prog more than anything else.

Edited by Dean - March 06 2015 at 07:43

Atavachron wrote: Forget about whether it "killed prog", which it didn't, it did digress or at least regress rock to a point of astounding if roughly-cut clarity.   There are a few rare instances of prog/art rockers dabbling in and eventually turning to punk, such as the Goldring twins (Gnidrolog) going on to become the Pork Dukes, and styles of progressive rock that clearly draw from punk, like mathrock.   But was Punk rock a continuation of the development of rock as a from of music that apparently has few boundaries other than that it retain some semblance of a rock format?   Or was it just a crude rebellion that struck a chord in a lot of people?

Punk in general was the last big movement of youth. As a sub-genre of rock music, it was anti-prog more than anything else.

I opt for the latter. Punk was a rebellion against rock music that had become too complex for some to handle.