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Posted: June 21 2013 at 07:45
As you state, Locomotive came out of Birmingham.
If you look a bit into my list you may discover much of this music came from either UK Midlands or even more north UK up to Scotland - not from London art schools, but from rough blue-collar towns.
Also as many would have it, it was NOT classically-inspired.
And I'm not hearing that much that it is a direct jumpboard from psych.
To my ears, if anything at all the proto SOUND had evolved out of something like instrumental UK take on bluesrock-jazz.
Graham Bond was not merely historically-important for mellotron, but much of proto can be traced back down to him and things like Alexis Korner Band. I think Dick Heath may just support me on this - only he doesnt seem to be posting here anymore.
Now this is a goodie methinks......We Are Everything You See by Lokomotive (UK, Birmingham)
Not listed on the archive but given the huge range of influences assimilated by Prog, were we to include everything that may have shaped the beast, the progenitors would have outnumbered the descendants?
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Posted: June 20 2013 at 20:59
The Dark Elf wrote:
. I don't make exclusive claims and Domesday lists regarding what should and should not be in a music genre that did not even exist during the time frame we are discussing.
I
This is more than The Knobster can bear.
This must be the 5th time I be reiterating this in this thread alone: PROTO IS NOT A GENRE. PROTO IS NOT A GENRE. PROTO-PROG IS NOT A GENRE!
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Posted: June 20 2013 at 20:01
Knobby wrote:
Dean wrote:
[Here it's a place we put bands that weren't quite Prog (by some undefined subjective measure that no one can articulate but they know it when they hear it), bands that didn't quite fit comfortably in the main database but we felt deserved a mention
I have nothing against this.
All I'm saying is re-name the entire section, taking out the word "proto".
Call it "Bands That Weren't Quite Prog But... and Prog-Related Lounge".
Call it "Rudimentary-Prog and Prog-related..."
Please.
Friggin labels.....WTF?
Proto works just fine
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Posted: June 20 2013 at 19:47
Knobby wrote:
Now that's a new one:
Prog-luver using the "pretentious" word on another fellow prog luver's arris.
Despicable.
I call BAN.
I am a lover of a wide range of music, not merely progressive. I don't make exclusive claims and Domesday lists regarding what should and should not be in a music genre that did not even exist during the time frame we are discussing.
I call a flagrant misuse of the English language with colloquialisms and net-speak.
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Posted: June 19 2013 at 22:26
dr wu23 wrote:
Love HP Lovecraft....always thought of them as psych rock, but they could certainly fit in with 'proto-prog'..
.oh...wait a minute, they aren't on Mr Knobby's list....sorry.
Well, there are certainly prog elements amidst the detritus of psychedelia. Maybe we can call it psych-proto-prog and conduct a letter writing campaign to get it put on Mr. Knobby's pretentious list.
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Posted: June 19 2013 at 22:13
The Dark Elf wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
Well ...the PA 'guys' consider The Moody Blues and Procol to be crossover/prog rock and not proto prog per se....but those are certainly 2 early bands with an early prog sound...and I might have chose In Search Of The Lost Chord which we played the crap out of also in college.
I don't go by PA's bewildering categories. the question regarded favorite proto-prog albums, and I consider The Moodys and Procol proto-prog, as in prog-like sensibilities before such sensibilities were defined, cast in stone and given arcane designations that only Dean can explain to me.
But please, let us move on. This runaway train has been derailed enough.
How's about HP Lovecraft's first album:
or their second album, for that matter:
Love HP Lovecraft....always thought of them as psych rock, but they could certainly fit in with 'proto-prog'..
.oh...wait a minute, they aren't on Mr Knobby's list....sorry.
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Posted: June 19 2013 at 21:18
dr wu23 wrote:
Well ...the PA 'guys' consider The Moody Blues and Procol to be crossover/prog rock and not proto prog per se....but those are certainly 2 early bands with an early prog sound...and I might have chose In Search Of The Lost Chord which we played the crap out of also in college.
I don't go by PA's bewildering categories. the question regarded favorite proto-prog albums, and I consider The Moodys and Procol proto-prog, as in prog-like sensibilities before such sensibilities were defined, cast in stone and given arcane designations that only Dean can explain to me.
But please, let us move on. This runaway train has been derailed enough.
How's about HP Lovecraft's first album:
or their second album, for that matter:
...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...
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Posted: June 19 2013 at 19:28
Dean wrote:
[Here it's a place we put bands that weren't quite Prog (by some undefined subjective measure that no one can articulate but they know it when they hear it), bands that didn't quite fit comfortably in the main database but we felt deserved a mention
I have nothing against this.
All I'm saying is re-name the entire section, taking out the word "proto".
Call it "Bands That Weren't Quite Prog But... and Prog-Related Lounge".
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nope.