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smartpatrol
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Posted: September 09 2012 at 17:42 |
Now that's the kind of criticism I can take. Constructive, thought out, and not mean.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: September 09 2012 at 17:28 |
Obviously not a joke. But not an album i would play. Sounds like a few ideas rather than a finished album
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smartpatrol
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Posted: September 09 2012 at 17:25 |
Point taken
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Dean
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Posted: September 09 2012 at 17:23 |
I did not say you cannot take criticism, I said you need to take it with more grace. In other words "do not rise to the bait" - acknowledge it, learn from it and move on.
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smartpatrol
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Posted: September 09 2012 at 17:16 |
I've said it several times already. I can take some criticisim, I'm fine with that, but not that! The_Jester is being too harsh; he's completely attacking my work, which I am very proud of. He's just thrashing it. It's insulting and I won't have it.
Edited by smartpatrol - September 09 2012 at 17:17
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Dean
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Posted: September 09 2012 at 17:06 |
^ You really need to take criticism with a lot more grace.
Edited by Dean - September 09 2012 at 17:22
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smartpatrol
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Posted: September 09 2012 at 15:50 |
So you hate John Cage and you don't think improvisation counts as art. frankly, I'm overjoyed that you hate my music. Your distaste is a prize only the best can earn.
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The_Jester
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Posted: September 09 2012 at 15:32 |
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If you like John Cage, like him but I think he's an insult to music because I find it pretty insulting to make random noises and present it as art while artists who really think about their stuff are presented as "mainstream". I mean, I like free jazz wich is total improvisation but I can't consider it as pure art. I just consider it as fun or interesting because free jazz is based a lot on listening to the others around you and trying to fix an ambience. And I'd say that if someone with no musical knowledge can do the same kind of thing you do, it's horrible and insulting to true artists.
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smartpatrol
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Posted: September 09 2012 at 03:48 |
oh, and by the way, John Cage is awesome.
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Posted: September 09 2012 at 03:46 |
The_Jester wrote:
Yeah well do as you wish but you'll know that to write, rehearse and produce only one song takes an average 10 hours if the song is complicated a bit.
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There is no average amount of time to write, rehearse and produce a song, it all varies.
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smartpatrol
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Posted: September 09 2012 at 03:30 |
I'm just going to stop now. I don't need this.
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The_Jester
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Posted: September 09 2012 at 03:25 |
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Yeah well do as you wish but you'll know that to write, rehearse and produce only one song takes an average 10 hours if the song is complicated a bit. If I was you, I'd not put so much emphasize on a hobby and if you really live for music, than you'll need to work to get to the tops. I see you like more avant-garde/modern music but it isn't music out of nowhere, it's also based on rules and I think you should learn your basics at first. You would probably appreciate it even more if you put your mind to it. So, I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings but I still find it really not good. And by the way, The Jester is another guy on Progarchives (he came after me I didn't know I could seperate words) my username is realy The_Jester.
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smartpatrol
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Posted: September 09 2012 at 03:19 |
My point is, if you don't have anything that isn't a blatantly harsh attack, don't say it. A little criticism is okay, but nothing mean.
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smartpatrol
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Posted: September 09 2012 at 03:10 |
These were all made over 4 months, but I would estimate that it took me, in total, about 5 hours in total to write, rehearse, record, and mix all of these. It may not seem like a very long time, but some of these songs I really slaved over. Some of them took take after take, edit after edit, and some caused a great deal of stress. But more importantly, that harsh comment really hit me. This is what I want to do with my life. This is my passion and my way of self-expression. My music is almost everything to me.
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The_Jester
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Posted: September 09 2012 at 03:00 |
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I think it's only a question of opinion. It is sure I would be shocked by such criticism. But, frankly speaking, how much time and effort have you put into it? There's a lot of improvisation in there. And a lot of concept writing like polyrythmic pieces. I don't think it took days to write, rehearse, record and produce. I mean, it's not like if you tought of how to bring your modulations or such stuff. Or it's not like if you took days to record sounds, find their notes and put it in a electroacoustic piece.
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smartpatrol
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Posted: September 09 2012 at 02:47 |
I mean, seriously. how would you feel if you put your emotions, ideas, effort and time into something you were really proud of, showed it to someone, and they said that to you?
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The_Jester
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Posted: September 09 2012 at 02:29 |
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I really don't like it. It seems you have no idea of what is musical theory. It sounds like John Cage: horrible, pretentious, random and sounding like endless errors. At first, I too tought it was a joke.
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smartpatrol
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Posted: September 09 2012 at 01:15 |
Yeah, I barley used any actual technique in Sing. You're forgiven
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lmaorofllollmao
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Posted: September 09 2012 at 00:51 |
Alright i take back what i said, i only listened to one randomly picked song, wich was "Sing". I enjoyed "that quiet marching" and "take that lampshade off yo head". i'm really sorry for my narrow mindedness.
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smartpatrol
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Posted: September 09 2012 at 00:44 |
Thanks! Not all soundscapes, tho. I'm pretty eclectic
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